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Star Rating = System Failure

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Posted on: 2010-01-03 08:32 in Mission Architect

 

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The best and most shining example of doing this is, in my opinion, Escalation. In my original review of Escalation I gave it 4 stars. Femfury took my feedback, along with the feedback of many other forum reviewers, and used it to improve the story arc. Now I can't praise Escalation highly enough. Escalation deservingly became a Dev Choice arc in November. In my opinion, this was due to the tireless efforts of its author to make it a better story arc.
On the other side of your shining example. If Escalation hadn't gotten a Dev Choice, it would be a 5-star exemplary arc languishing in the 4-star dead zone getting one play every 2-4 weeks.

 

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On the other side of your shining example. If Escalation hadn't gotten a Dev Choice, it would be a 5-star exemplary arc languishing in the 4-star dead zone getting one play every 2-4 weeks.
This is why I stopped assigning ratings in the reviews I did (I realize I haven't actually done another review in quite a while... I'll get around to it!). I'm rather a harsh rater, and in my mind anyone who's asking for feedback probably doesn't have a 5-star arc... otherwise why would they need the feedback! There's nothing wrong with this, it's just that even if an arc has hundreds of 4 star ratings, which would imply a pretty good arc with maybe a few flaws (Or, more likely, a really good arc that just doesn't appeal to everyone - since I don't think any story has wide enough appeal that EVERYONE will 5-star it), but it will still show up behind all the arcs that have one rating at 5 stars.

Honestly, the rating system isn't the problem. It's the SORTING system. There needs to be some way to search by number of ratings rather than just the score itself (For example, searching for all arcs that have a 4 star rating and >50 ratings). Likewise there should be an option to specifically search for "New" arcs - arcs which have less than 10 ratings, or perhaps arcs published within the last week, or maybe an option to search for both or either of those (The more options the better, really).

I think the arc display window itself could also stand to be redesigned - at the moment the 1st and 2nd pages are clogged up with DC, HoF, and GA arcs, and there's no way to change the number of arcs displayed per page. I think the interface would benefit a lot from an overhaul, maybe showing "Honoured" arcs on a separate tab (With some sort of indicator on the tab title like a (!) if a new one has been added recently), and maybe some other sorting options.

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The best and most shining example of doing this is, in my opinion, Escalation. In my original review of Escalation I gave it 4 stars. Femfury took my feedback, along with the feedback of many other forum reviewers, and used it to improve the story arc. Now I can't praise Escalation highly enough. Escalation deservingly became a Dev Choice arc in November. In my opinion, this was due to the tireless efforts of its author to make it a better story arc.

It's anecdotal, I'll admit. But I think it's an example of how I think the feedback loop should work.
I think for a lot of people who request reviews this is how they work - I know that the Astoria in D Minor that got Dev's Choice is a VERY different story arc than it was when I first published it. Likewise even though you rated my Tomorrownauts arc at 5 stars, I still found your feedback helpful and made a bunch of changes based on it. Mostly little changes, but I think it's the little things that can make the difference between 4 and 5 stars. I guess one problem with the rating system is that even if an arc is refined a great deal based on feedback from a 3-star rating, the person who made the original rating rarely ever goes back and re-rates the arc. Since even arcs marked as "Final" tend to be pretty work in progress, a lot of the earlier ratings don't really reflect the arc in its current form.

Actually, there's an idea. Maybe instead of ratings being based on a straight average, ratings could be weighted based on age, so more recent ratings would contribute more to the average? I still think it would also be good if we could click on an arc's rating and get a breakdown of exactly what scores it's gotten.

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I am all for new ways to sort through the thousands of arcs to find one I think would be fun.

 

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On the other side of your shining example. If Escalation hadn't gotten a Dev Choice, it would be a 5-star exemplary arc languishing in the 4-star dead zone getting one play every 2-4 weeks.
I'm afraid I disagree. Even before being Dev Choice'd, that arc was a finalist in Projectionist's Contest, in the Annual Mission Architect Awards, and in the Player's Choice Awards. It got a decent amount of recognition even while sitting at 4 stars. IMHO, the quality of the story arc is a lot more important than the official rating (which, as pointed out by the OP and the rest of this thread, has some issues).

I agree with Cheshire Cat that a better sorting algorithm for story arcs, maybe some improvements to the MMI for searching & sorting through AE arcs, would go a loooong way to making it easier for players to find arcs and good arcs to get players to try them. In the meantime, doing little promotional things like forum contests, QPQ reviews, advertising on MA Arc Finder channel, playing on the MA Arc Superteam, and other community activities, all help for getting people to try your story arc.

I don't think being in the "4 star ghetto" is the kiss of death by any means, though. One of my arcs that was sitting at 4 stars had a 3-player team play through it today. They were no one I knew, no one who frequented any chat channel I'm on (that I know of). I have no idea how they found my arc, but they found it, liked it and left feedback. It made my day.

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I think for a lot of people who request reviews this is how they work - I know that the Astoria in D Minor that got Dev's Choice is a VERY different story arc than it was when I first published it. Likewise even though you rated my Tomorrownauts arc at 5 stars, I still found your feedback helpful and made a bunch of changes based on it. Mostly little changes, but I think it's the little things that can make the difference between 4 and 5 stars. I guess one problem with the rating system is that even if an arc is refined a great deal based on feedback from a 3-star rating, the person who made the original rating rarely ever goes back and re-rates the arc.
What's even worse is that they'd need to re-rate it 5-stars several times to cancel out their old 3-star vote. Fat chance of that happening.

 

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What's even worse is that they'd need to re-rate it 5-stars several times to cancel out their old 3-star vote. Fat chance of that happening.
Well, actually re-rating automatically overwrites your old rating (You can only ever have 1-rating per arc, and you can never lower a rating you've given, as per Posi way back when). So that's not really an issue - but it's still true that people rarely ever re-rate.

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Well, actually re-rating automatically overwrites your old rating (You can only ever have 1-rating per arc, and you can never lower a rating you've given, as per Posi way back when). So that's not really an issue - but it's still true that people rarely ever re-rate.
Interesting, could have sworn that I've seen the rating count go up when I rated an arc for the second time.

Anyhow, I think that it would be better to give the author some leeway if the errors are not anything serious. Knocking off an entire star over some typos that they would have fixed anyway after receiving a review that they requested from you would be a rather dick move.

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I agree with Cheshire Cat that a better sorting algorithm for story arcs, maybe some improvements to the MMI for searching & sorting through AE arcs, would go a loooong way to making it easier for players to find arcs and good arcs to get players to try them. In the meantime, doing little promotional things like forum contests, QPQ reviews, advertising on MA Arc Finder channel, playing on the MA Arc Superteam, and other community activities, all help for getting people to try your story arc.
Unfortunately with the current climate of MA this is all just preaching to the choir. You can advertise all you want but hardly anyone outside of this little sub-group of the forums is even listening. Nor is the Architect Chat channel enabled by default, so any advertising there goes unheard by the majority of the playerbase on any server. The MA Arc Finder channel isn't exactly crowded either, so unless you can get a lot more people to start using it then we're mostly advertising back and forth to each other.

A lot more would be done by fixing the problem at the Search Interface end, since that is what the majority of players will be finding arcs through. There's even a contact at level 5 to tell you about it's existence.

 

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I've found routinely that the actual star system is pretty much useless for the promotion of arcs. If you want people to play your arc, talk about it in a community like, say, this forum.

 

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Get the DC and HoF arcs off the first two pages for starters. Move them to their own tab or something, just stop monopolizing the front page with the same dozen arcs for the last several months. All it does is make MA look stagnant to the more casual players.

If anything, the first page should be a random assortment chosen from the arcs in the system. My idea would be something like: 1 random Guest Author, 1 random HoF, 1 random DC, 4 random 5-star arcs, and 4 random 4-star arcs.
I think this idea, alone, would do a world of good without having to rework the entire rating system. As others have pointed out, it's not so much the rating system as the search function that fails.

This would keep everything on the front page fresh and give decent exposure to 4 star arcs, as well.

Laz's other suggestions are top-notch, too (esp weighting by the number of rates), but that would just be icing on the cake to this.

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Well, actually re-rating automatically overwrites your old rating.
Actually, I think this is incorrect if your second rating is is done about a week or so afterwards. I had uprated someone's arc about a month after I first played it since they made some changes and I noticed that the number of ratings increased. It bugged me since I was under the impression that my new rating would be overwriting the old one.

 

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Actually, I think this is incorrect if your second rating is is done about a week or so afterwards. I had uprated someone's arc about a month after I first played it since they made some changes and I noticed that the number of ratings increased. It bugged me since I was under the impression that my new rating would be overwriting the old one.
Come to think of it, I remember that people who were helping one another farm ratings (back when there was a new badge for every X number of them) mentioning that you had to wait at least 3 days or the new rating wouldn't count.

 

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Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
On the other side of your shining example. If Escalation hadn't gotten a Dev Choice, it would be a 5-star exemplary arc languishing in the 4-star dead zone getting one play every 2-4 weeks.
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I'm afraid I disagree. Even before being Dev Choice'd, that arc was a finalist in Projectionist's Contest, in the Annual Mission Architect Awards, and in the Player's Choice Awards. It got a decent amount of recognition even while sitting at 4 stars.
So marketing is everything, once you're in the 4-star ghetto. It might help to have a lot of friends and a large supergroup to stay 5-star, but for others it's a better bet to be visible on this forum, and pay heed to feedback (even lip-service) to get your 4-starred arc played. I've tried doing this, I've tried not doing this. There's a strong correlation. You might have strong writing, but far more importantly, you need to get played. Forget about getting back to 5-stars though, this forum is not that friendly.

Actually, getting nominated for an award is probably your best bet. Very few arcs get nominated, there's far more good arcs (and perhaps better arcs) in the system than there are nominations. It's also easy enough to get nominated. Bubbawheat has a competition going already. If people really want plays, they should be encouraging others to nominate their arcs. No, it's not a perfect meritocracy. But it's the best we got. Sure, people might not want to nominate you. So listen to them, help them like your arc. Of course, you'll also have a better, and more worthy arc

It used to be easy to keep an arc in the 5-star range. But people got pickier, and fewer, and griefing does happen. Now, voters are learning how the system works, so votes tend to be more positively assigned, and things should be improving. But with fewer players per arc, it takes far less effort to grief someone. That last point ought to be relevant to the developers.

I suggested a median calculation in a thread on this topic by MCM, four months ago. I think there were other suggestions also in that thread.

Venture has very carefully produced arcs. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but I liked them a lot when I played them. They're doomed to 3- and 4-stars due to, uh, 'compassion shortage'. I do not believe those ratings have anything to do with the contents of the arcs.

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I myself have received arc reviews that rated some of my story arcs 4 stars, 3 stars, even 2 stars. What you take away from such a review is, of course, up to each individual person. I think all feedback is valuable, though; especially negative feedback.
I am in complete agreement that all feedback is valuable. I took something important away from every review I got, both positive and negative. Additionally I respect the fact that a person may not want to 5 star an arc that in his or her view does not deserve it.

But PW I ask you what purpose is served by you giving a lower than 5 star rating to the person in game before they tell you that their arc is final? The fact that a person submitted an arc to you means that they care and want to make it better. Could you not perhaps withhold your rating if it is lower than 5 stars to give them a chance to do so? What harm would that do?

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Going forward, outstanding arcs are likely to get dozens of plays, not hundreds.
This is very true and it makes me wonder if we will ever see another story driven HoF arc. Even the few that are 100's of plays in have been so slowly moving forward in the last few months that it will be at least a year or more before they might make it.

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I know I've mentioned it before, but I think the best "variant" on the current system is a pretty simple one: a technique called "sigma clipping". The idea is you calculate both the average rating, and the standard deviation of that average (which is often represented with the greek letter sigma). Then, any subsequent ratings that fall outside of a preset range (often two times sigma or three times sigma) are ignored as "erroneous outliers" when calculating the average.

The system would have to have some artificial boundaries set up to account for the time when the arc has a low number of plays and ratings (for example, artificially set it so that "two times sigma" has a minimum value equal to 5 divided by the number of plays the arc has gotten so far), but this system would eliminate a griefer's ability to disproportionately trash an arc's rating (since a 1 or 2 star rating for an arc that has 33 plays where 21 are 5 star ratings and 12 are 4 star ratings would simply be completely ignored).
This idea is a really excellent one. The question is how hard would this be for the Dev's to implement?

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If anything, the first page should be a random assortment chosen from the arcs in the system. My idea would be something like: 1 random Guest Author, 1 random HoF, 1 random DC, 4 random 5-star arcs, and 4 random 4-star arcs.
I really like this idea a lot. Most casual and almost all new players will not look at arcs beyond the first few pages. This would mix it up and make the arc selection look fresh. It is silly with the 1000's of arcs out there that the first two pages look virtually the same all the time.

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On the other side of your shining example. If Escalation hadn't gotten a Dev Choice, it would be a 5-star exemplary arc languishing in the 4-star dead zone getting one play every 2-4 weeks.
BINGO! Factor in that as previously mentioned not all arcs will appeal to all people no matter how good they may be. Also, who has not gotten feedback that was so far off base or based on a incorrect assumption? Or how about being down rated because of an MA issue or bug that the player assumes you have some control over? The current system makes the leap from 4 stars back up to 5 stars exceptionally difficult. Just one 3 star rating needs 4 5 star ratings to average back up to 5 stars.

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If my new arc Poodle Skirt Girl against the Invaders from Mars deserves 2 stars because of its many flaws, it's not doing me a big favor to have one or two people 5-star it despite its 2-star-worthiness.
That is true and I doubt many would disagree, but by submitting that arc to a reviewer I would assume you are looking to improve the arc. A 2 star rating in gameis very, very hard to overcome and pretty much guarantees obscurity for that arc. At that point the reviewer's feedback is not really going to be helpful. It would be more useful to not rate it in game and just give the feedback.

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I'm afraid I disagree. Even before being Dev Choice'd, that arc was a finalist in Projectionist's Contest, in the Annual Mission Architect Awards, and in the Player's Choice Awards. It got a decent amount of recognition even while sitting at 4 stars.
The point is it was still sitting at 4 stars and not being seen/played by many, if any, casual players or players that do not frequent the MA community.

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Actually, I think this is incorrect if your second rating is is done about a week or so afterwards. I had uprated someone's arc about a month after I first played it since they made some changes and I noticed that the number of ratings increased. It bugged me since I was under the impression that my new rating would be overwriting the old one.
The number of ratings should not increase. One vote per account. However, what does "reset" is the author getting the tickets for the vote.

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I really would like to be able to see stats on arcs. If something is 4-star average then I'd like to see how many of those actually were 4-star votes. If you can't give this to everyone then at least allow the author to see them for their own arcs.
I want everyone to see it. I want all the people who shoot down anyone who claims they were ratings griefed with "well maybe your arc sucks" to see all those 4- and 5- stars and just enough 1-star votes to knock it down to a 4.

Most especially, I want the devs to see it, and do something about it. Like take away the option to rate an arc without finishing at least some of it.

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I myself have received arc reviews that rated some of my story arcs 4 stars, 3 stars, even 2 stars. What you take away from such a review is, of course, up to each individual person. I think all feedback is valuable, though; especially negative feedback.

For example, Venture recently gave one of my arcs 3 stars. In my opinion, it would be useless for me to rail at him and say stuff like, "You're so mean, why didn't you give me 5 stars? No one will play my arc now!" Aside from being nonconstructive, I'm sure he's built up an immunity to this kind of flame by now. Instead, what I prefer to take away from this experience is, "What can I change in my arc to make the next person give me more than 3 stars?"
3 stars in a forum review is a completely different animal than 3 stars in game. I hardly ever post what I rated an arc in-game, because it's irrelevant, and I'm usually being generous anyway; if an arc has too many issues for me to feel justified in giving it 4 or 5 stars I usually don't rate.

A review is helpful because it gives you feedback. It helps you improve. A 3-star rating tells you nothing. It could be due to a major plot hole, or it could be something completely subjective, or downright stupid.

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Well, actually re-rating automatically overwrites your old rating (You can only ever have 1-rating per arc, and you can never lower a rating you've given, as per Posi way back when). So that's not really an issue - but it's still true that people rarely ever re-rate.
From my understanding, you can assign tickets once a week or so, so if you misclick and accidentally 1-star an arc, then go "oops" and give it the 4 or 5 stars you meant to give the 1-star rating will be automatically overwritten but the author will get no tickets. My apologies to everyone I've done this to who thought they got a low rating.

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So marketing is everything, once you're in the 4-star ghetto. It might help to have a lot of friends and a large supergroup to stay 5-star, but for others it's a better bet to be visible on this forum, and pay heed to feedback (even lip-service) to get your 4-starred arc played. I've tried doing this, I've tried not doing this. There's a strong correlation. You might have strong writing, but far more importantly, you need to get played. Forget about getting back to 5-stars though, this forum is not that friendly.
It's friendlier than the general population though. At least people here justify their low ratings.
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Venture has very carefully produced arcs. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but I liked them a lot when I played them. They're doomed to 3- and 4-stars due to, uh, 'compassion shortage'. I do not believe those ratings have anything to do with the contents of the arcs.
His arc ratings are a shining example of the failures inherent in the current system. I'm sure a few people hate him enough to play through a few missions full of Malta just to 1-star him, but most probably don't.

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I've said before that the star-based ratings system was an epic failure in it's current incarnation. I still stand by that and many of the improvement suggestions made in this thread, other threads pre-launch (that were made in beta) and the DOZENS (literally) of debate threads made in the days when AE was the "it" thing to do, farming or otherwise.

Also keep in mind, as Venture alluded to, it really WON'T make a difference what changes are done. The days of getting 100s of plays quickly are over. Folks need to lower their expectations. Advertising will always trump a perfect system. The devs could make the system 100% air tight against griefing, and some arcs will simply get more plays than others for whatever reason.

NO ONE can make a story that appeals to EVERYONE. HOWEVER, it's more likely that you WILL make a story that SOMEONE doesn't like, at all.

I'd be fine with having to play whatever percentage of an arc to leave a rating, HOWEVER keep in mind that the danger with this is the person doesn't finish the arc if it's a long one, and thus someone who might have given you a 5 star rating simply doesn't get to rate.

I suspect when on Going Rogue comes/with GR coming closer and closer, the AE won't be the first thing on folks minds. Thus ADVERTISING in the various ways stated in this thread will become more and more important in the days/weeks to come. I for one know that once GR is test, I'll basically will be sleeping on the test server. I probably won't touch AE for months come GR.

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I haven't read the entire thread, but here are my two inf..

There was another site that has serious issues with a rating system (1-10). It was abused, and inaccurate, and generally everything was either 9-10, or it was 1-2. This is pretty much the opposite of the intent, but that's how these things ALWAYS turn out.

A 5 star system or a 1-10 system work when you have a small number of preselected judges casting votes. When you open this up to multitudes of people, it immediately breaks.

What that site did was completely got rid of the 1-10 system in favor of "Endorsements".

As far as I know, all previous 9-10 ratings were translated into positive endorsements (thumbs up), and everything else was just wiped, when the system was transferred over.

Now, you have to give either a thumbs up, or a thumbs down, and in order to leave a thumbs down, you HAVE to leave a comment and click a check box on why.

I vote AE adopt this system. It makes a lot more sense to me, and it cuts down on griefing because only people who genuinely have an issue with the arc (as opposed to just griefing) will leave a thumbs down, being forced to comment.


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I haven't read the entire thread, but here are my two inf..

There was another site that has serious issues with a rating system (1-10). It was abused, and inaccurate, and generally everything was either 9-10, or it was 1-2. This is pretty much the opposite of the intent, but that's how these things ALWAYS turn out.

A 5 star system or a 1-10 system work when you have a small number of preselected judges casting votes. When you open this up to multitudes of people, it immediately breaks.

What that site did was completely got rid of the 1-10 system in favor of "Endorsements".

As far as I know, all previous 9-10 ratings were translated into positive endorsements (thumbs up), and everything else was just wiped, when the system was transferred over.

Now, you have to give either a thumbs up, or a thumbs down, and in order to leave a thumbs down, you HAVE to leave a comment and click a check box on why.

I vote AE adopt this system. It makes a lot more sense to me, and it cuts down on griefing because only people who genuinely have an issue with the arc (as opposed to just griefing) will leave a thumbs down, being forced to comment.
Hmmm, not so sure about this. I've read folks saying they got things like "lol nub" as a comment attached to 1-2 star ratings.

What's to stop someone from commenting "lol nub" and then just giving a thumbs down? Not saying it's an overly bad idea. Just playing devil's advocate.

I DO agree that the star system needs to go.

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Hmmm, not so sure about this. I've read folks saying they got things like "lol nub" as a comment attached to 1-2 star ratings.

What's to stop someone from commenting "lol nub" and then just giving a thumbs down? Not saying it's an overly bad idea. Just playing devil's advocate.

I DO agree that the star system needs to go.
That's what petitions are for >.<


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I usually give like 3-4 stars - but a few get 5s

I think there should be more filters in the search - like one that lets you view only 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 star arcs for example - so you could filter, say, "Heroic" morality, then filter what star level you wanted, then sort them after publishing date, as well as the number of times they'd been played.

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That's what petitions are for >.<
Would you petition for someone saying:

"I didn't like your arc. Didn't like the custom critters" And then gave a thumbs down?

EDIT: Again I'm just being a devil's advocate. Your system is better than what they have now.

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I usually give like 3-4 stars - but a few get 5s

I think there should be more filters in the search - like one that lets you view only 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 star arcs for example - so you could filter, say, "Heroic" morality, then filter what star level you wanted, then sort them after publishing date, as well as the number of times they'd been played.
I agree.

Also FYI, I have played few arcs that I thought truly deserved 5 stars.

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I DO agree that the star system needs to go.
Same here. The rating system was a nice idea, but too easily abused/griefed. I'd also support the suggestion that the HoF and DC arcs be moved to their own tab.

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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
NO ONE can make a story that appeals to EVERYONE. HOWEVER, it's more likely that you WILL make a story that SOMEONE doesn't like, at all.
Currently it's also likely that you will make a story that someone doesn't like because it has a better rating than theirs. When it doesn't have a good rating, all those people suddenly dislike it so much they won't even click "Play."

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I'd be fine with having to play whatever percentage of an arc to leave a rating, HOWEVER keep in mind that the danger with this is the person doesn't finish the arc if it's a long one, and thus someone who might have given you a 5 star rating simply doesn't get to rate.
I'm fine with that. You shouldn't be giving 5-stars to arcs you didn't finish anyway. How do you know the ending doesn't suck? Besides, if an arc is good enough to merit 5 stars I'll leave it open and finish it later.

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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
Hmmm, not so sure about this. I've read folks saying they got things like "lol nub" as a comment attached to 1-2 star ratings.

What's to stop someone from commenting "lol nub" and then just giving a thumbs down? Not saying it's an overly bad idea. Just playing devil's advocate.
You get their global. 1-stars are anonymous.

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
I think there should be more filters in the search - like one that lets you view only 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 star arcs for example - so you could filter, say, "Heroic" morality, then filter what star level you wanted, then sort them after publishing date, as well as the number of times they'd been played.
Uh, we have those.

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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
Would you petition for someone saying:

"I didn't like your arc. Didn't like the custom critters" And then gave a thumbs down?
That is a legitimate reason for disliking an arc. Not too helpful to the author, as far as feedback goes, but most in-game feedback isn't anyway.

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