Open Letter To The Dev's (if it stays....)
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Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2009-12-27 17:19 in Suggestions and Ideas
Right...
One of you, two of you, I don't care;
You owe for me for ten minutes of time you just wasted on spoiling my cerebral core!
Strewth...Someone link them to the Dev Digest already. The Devs post a HECK of a lot, talk to the community a heck of a lot...although I know for certain I'd personally have the both of ya's on ignore by now.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Oh, hey, one thing I forgot to address. Let's see if I can look up a quote...
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Nothing of the sort, actually, and this sounds like the observation of someone who hasn't played Champions Online, but has heard that it does, indeed, have something defined as "power customization." It is, however, nothing in the slightest like what we have here, and I dare say nothing quite as good and expansive.
| 2.)You gave us colors for powers and such,EXACTLY like Champions Online. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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This thread don't make no kind of sense.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
This thread don't make no kind of sense.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Here's an update for you. Carriage returns (pressing the enter key between paragraphs). The walls of text make reading your posts something akin to plowing through chest-high snow drifts. A small change like this will make your posts much more readable. Even if people disagree with the content in them.|
Originally Posted by Skattershot
Meh, excuse me again if my "clerical skills" haven't been updated.
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| It seems that 1 person can draw the ire of a community of he or she ruffles feathers. |
You get the picture right?
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| Well, keep the brushes ready, b/c really,i'm standing by what i said. |
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| It is refreshing to see others come out and speak their minds,even if it is against what i said, after all we are in a land where one could speak his mind. |
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| Sadly my "communication" probably wasn't clarified, and even though we can understand people who type to where only a dog can understand,forget to break off sentences with a paragraph, and the world comes crashing down. |
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| So let me ask you this then:Why cut the badges then? Why "punish" someone who did the efforts of "farming" (like no one here have EVER EVER farmed or PLed) with a higher badge count and reward those who only get to farm half of a same thing and get the same reward? |
Rather than encourage this sort of aberration, they'd rather remove the poorly thought-out new badges and reduce the requirements on older badges to make them more accessible to players.
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| Why nerf Regen and slow powersets (Spines/Regen) in a PvP so the benefit goes to those who only invest in SS and 2 ranged attacks can pummel at ease? |
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| I understand that Tankers/Brutes are melee, and aren't "designed" to have ranged attacks, but what about a "Blapper"? They get the benefits of both,shouldn't melee? |
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WoW's had 3 expansions, factor in 40 bucks each and a low-cost monthly (yes,with taxes) and we have 4 $10 packs with a few costume changes and emotes. Still paying more more in the long run for CoX. May The Big Man upstairs help those with a Mac....enough said there... |
Oh yes. And a yearly sub to CoX is $144 for 14 months.
$144/14 = ~$10.25 per month.
Not quite sure what more you want out of them. It just sounds to me like a misplaced sense of entitlement talking.
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Uhm. Hello? Was or was not MA DELAYED AN ISSUE because the devs were putting in things the players requested?|
Originally Posted by Skattershot
i've done the BSF,and it's not a bad SF, if it wasn't broken. But this just goes to show that the Devs have an issue of just rushing product into gameplay just to say "oooh, look! a new toy!" like they did with the MA.
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Additionally, the MA system is huge and fairly complex. Quite simply there's no way Paragon Studios could have tested every possible combination in the game before release and had it out by the end of next decade. Even the beta test pool was fairly small (though larger than the staff at Paragon by an order of magnitude or so). And THEY didn't catch everything (though they caught quite a few nasties that got squashed pre-release). And yes, some problem-children combinations were reported pre-release and made it to release. There's only so much time and developer power. And, at some point, you just have to pull the trigger.
Otherwise, you know what you've got?
Duke Nukem Forever. And I'm sure it's going to be GREAT when it releases too!
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| There just doesn't seem to be a lot of forethought when they do things, like release a whole issue just to compensate MA, which we all saw coming. |
As such, they had to make changes to the system post-release.
But, at least they didn't do so on the day of the release...
Remember the adage about "no plan ever survives contact with the enemy".
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| I've heard about costumes for pets fer years now, and still nothing. |
There are only so many developers, time, resources, and money.
Again, your sense of entitlement has gotten away from you.
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| I gave up looking forward to it. The pets fer Doms and trollers, i stand corrected, but still nuthing for bot's,thugs and the like. |
Again, updates in this game come in stages, and rarely do we get everything we want, all at once. If you, to paraphrase Queen "Want it all. Want it all. Want it all. WANT IT NAO!", yeah, you're doomed to be disappointed.
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| I know i know, it'll come before too long, i just hate to see the amount of subscribers drop before it's an unsupportable system. |
It's not happening. Get over it.
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| As fer the cost....i gave ya'll facts already...(CoX)$16.23 vs (WoW)$10.41 vs (Eve)$14.99 |
From http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/general.html
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| There are three subscription options: a month-to-month package at $14.99 per month, a three-month plan at $13.99 per month, and a six-month plan at $12.99 per month. |
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So Let's be complete about this
Monthly: CoX: $14.99, WoW: $14.99So I'm unsure as to where you're getting $10 a month for WoW (links please). Maybe some sort of special deal that isn't available to everyone?
Quarterly: CoX: $13.95, WoW: $13.99
Semi-Annual: CoX: $12.95, WoW: $12.99
Yearly: CoX: $11.95, WoW: Uh. Not available?
But, as you can see from the quoted sources, the monthly pricing is identical. The quarterly and semi-annual price is slightly lower for CoX (probably because they're not rounding up to the nearest $0.99 just because they can). And the yearly option is cheaper-still.
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Originally Posted by Skattershot
Funny, everyone keeps saying go to the store an buy it fer 20 bucks. Yes, we all know this as no "new" expansions that are huge are ready for sale at a huge store. Yes,I got this..20 bucks new.
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| Install it, play the free trial, and now monthly costs kick in. |
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| If I'm paying more than I should, why hasn't anyone caught on? |
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| So those of us paying more are not supposed to and this means we've been gettin ripped for years? |
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| Sorry, but i doubt SERIOUSLY i'm getting a rebate for the next few years. |
Nope.
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| every time there's a patch DLing, i get scared, what'd they break now? |
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| I see the Blapper's excuse,but really, it's a Blapper for a reason. |
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| Maybe I missed the forum part about cutting the badges back |
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| but what about those that did spend weeks earning theirs? |
How would that make some new hardcore badger type feel if they logged into the game and saw someone with 700+ badges and were told that about 100 of them were completely unavailable to them because the devs didn't want to give them out anymore? I lost badges too, and didn't care for it. I still agree with the thinking behind the removal of badges that weren't available anymore.
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| So a few people can ask for a change,and the rest have to comply? |
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| Okies,here's my asking...better balance of powers in a PvP setting,customization of pets,and easier acquisition of badges that don't require 1 mish to remain open, like Outcasts in the ONE mish Vil-side? |
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It is if you're on two different payment plans. If you're paying semi-annual for WoW and monthly for CoX, of COURSE CoX is going to cost more!|
Originally Posted by Skattershot
So,ya'll telling me...(give up the state tax,that's for ANY game) that while i'm payin a lil under 6 bucks more here than say WoW, which really i hate that system worse, that that's normal?
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| I pay more fer here than i do elsewheres, |
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If you give people here a chance instead of simply rage-ranting, we CAN help you.
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Originally Posted by Heismann
Is this also for the DVD Collector's Edition of City Of Heroes?
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Incorrect. While they would rather people not farm ANYWHERE in the game, they're realists. The devs are anti-EXPLOIT, not anti-farm.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The devs are really only 100% anti farming in the AE -
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Hyper, I think we're good here. Maybe let this thread die, finally?
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But... But... No, Aett! This thread is too delicious to die! ;-;
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Hyper, I think we're good here. Maybe let this thread die, finally?
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Well, I think the ability to set your missions for a full team when you're solo is surely a sign that the devs don't hate all farming |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I disagree with the anti-farming. I think it's more accurate to say the devs are anti-exploit.
What's unfortunate for farmers is that while most farms are not exploits, ALL exploits are farmed. This results in the exploiters trying to convince the farmers that the devs hate all farming. |
The message seems to be "farm if you want to - just don't do it in the AE"
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But I'm having so much fun reading this.... |
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Hyper, I think we're good here. Maybe let this thread die, finally?
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You can farm AE all day long if you want too. The problem isn't farming. People do it all the time, it's not against the rules, and it doesn't break anything. The problem was just the exploits. People getting to level 50 in a matter of hours? Exploit. People playing missions over and over for tickets? Perfectly fine. It fits in the Risk/Reward factor.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, I think the ability to set your missions for a full team when you're solo is surely a sign that the devs don't hate all farming
The message seems to be "farm if you want to - just don't do it in the AE" |
Plus, if you can solo a mission set for eight, then that's fine too. If you can survive, then you deserve the rewards. You're not cheating in any way, you've just become really good at the game to be able to tackle harder missions.
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The devs aren't 'Anti-Farm', they're more... Discouraging of it; it's why they buffed Behemoths that one time; remember? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, I think the ability to set your missions for a full team when you're solo is surely a sign that the devs don't hate all farming
The message seems to be "farm if you want to - just don't do it in the AE" |
I cannot speak for the devs, but I'd guess that AE was their new toy; their BABY, and after spending such a buttload of time on it, they didn't want to see it gone to the farmers as it were.
Other than that? What can you do but hope, give the devs the benefit of the doubt and move on.
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But what about missions with a certain kind of enemy that gives way more tickets than others? |
Originally Posted by Smash_Zone
People playing missions over and over for tickets? Perfectly fine.
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@Golden Girl
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That would be an exploit and the devs are definitely anti-exploit.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But what about missions with a certain kind of enemy that gives way more tickets than others?
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If the devs wanted to stop farming they'd simply make all missions, even the ones in the AE non-repeatable.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Oh, hey, one thing I forgot to address. Let's see if I can look up a quote...
Nothing of the sort, actually, and this sounds like the observation of someone who hasn't played Champions Online, but has heard that it does, indeed, have something defined as "power customization."  It is, however, nothing in the slightest like what we have here, and I dare say nothing quite as good and expansive.  |
Added Pics to Sam's post for confirmation that CO's color customization isn't anywhere near as sophisticated as ours. They have 7 color choices to our 180, and we can shade the colors of our powers with a second choice while they only get to choose 1.
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Badge requirments:
Think of Badging as a hypothetical Albuquerque 30 mile "Fun Run". Yes there were a few people who were able to finish the "Fun Run", and great for them. But when 95% of the rest of the participants didn't finish nor have any fun trying to finish the "Fun Run" it stopped being.... well, fun. So instead of the previously Annual Albuequerque 30 mile "Fun Run", it's been reduced to a 20 mile one. Now 75% of the participants can finish it and are having fun even if they don't, as the percentage of the run they've complete is greater and gives a better sense of accomplishment.
You know. Fun.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Because it's a slider, isn't it way more than just 7 choices?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Added Pics to Sam's post for confirmation that CO's color customization isn't anywhere near as sophisticated as ours. They have 7 color choices to our 180, and we can shade the colors of our powers with a second choice while they only get to choose 1.
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@Golden Girl
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The devs definition of "farming" refers to repetitive activity. Setting your difficulty to x8 is just that: setting your difficulty higher. Setting a mission to x8 and soloing it is not considered farming by the devs. Setting a mission to x8 and then running it a hundred times is considered farming by the devs. Such activities are frowned upon, but not considered specifically forbidden.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, I think the ability to set your missions for a full team when you're solo is surely a sign that the devs don't hate all farming
The message seems to be "farm if you want to - just don't do it in the AE" |
The devs are well aware that the setting could be used by farmers, but its not intended to encourage farming specifically. Its specifically there to allow players to create that level of challenge for themselves without the need for fillers.
Farming is tolerated, not encouraged. Meaning: the devs aren't likely to expend a lot of effort eliminating it, but they also won't spend a lot of effort protecting it either. And they will balance around it if the activity becomes prevalent in any area.
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I realize the thread is over, but my inner pedant compels me to make these observations.
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Originally Posted by Skattershot
"Witchhunt?" Hahahaha! funny stuff. Well, excuse 'ems if my sentence structure" and grammar's crappy, just never thought i'd have to proofread what i say, but putting this in "SUGGESTIONS", i had this alterior motive:
Devs...LISTEN to the PEOPLE. I mean they've been saying the same crap for years,and while i hate to agree with some of it, they are original ideas. Ya'll be saying ya wanted new suggestions, being in a Suggestion place? OOkies, here goes... |
Also - you thought you meant "ulterior" - but posting a suggestion that the devs should listen to suggestions in the suggestion forum is pretty much the anti-thesis of an ulterior motive.
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Originally Posted by Skattershot
So tell ya'll what,I'ma just gonna apologize fer anything i said,lord knows we wouldn't wanna speak our minds and sit in the back with the rest of the silent sheep, too scared to say anything les we get trashed back. so disregard my lil "rants",and i'll never post here again.
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Technically, but you can only change the base color. The shades shown on the slider are *exactly* what you get, no brighter or darker. Nor do you get to choose a secondary color. If they had Energy Blast, you could set it to varying shades of blue, but you could not make it blue bubbles on a green beam. Granted, this also means you can't do some of the brain-bursting combos I've seen in CoH, so it's not entirely a plus either way. You do get to choose an emanation point, but only for some powers, and it's not entirely consistent.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Because it's a slider, isn't it way more than just 7 choices?
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Just to check, is the OP also here to try and undermine CoX at all?
*puts on tinfoil hat*
It's just that, well, putting a rant in the Suggestions thread that says, in some ways, that Devs do not listen (when they do) and that a person has been ripped off (when they haven't) by NCSoft, then comparing prices (which are wrong) with products in competition to CoX (in terms of being other MMOs) seems a little fishy.
And to put my points forward regarding the (eventual) points raised:
1) Badge achievement levels on some badges were silly, especially on badges that provided no other benefit than having an extra badge. I think I received one to two extra badges after the changes - one of them was the silly Emanator badge. Yes it also gives out a Gladiator but it's not like it's a Damage Taken Badge which leads to an accolade. Another one was, on my squishy toons, the Sleepy/Restrained-style badges. Again these provided no extra benefit to my characters.
2) We have Colour Customization for most powers. Not all. MM pets would be lovely. Personally I'd rather see more MM pet sets. And my Earth Controller's Animated Stone looks lovely in his three incarnations: molten magma, crystal and different colour from the original one.
Also, that other MMO that features crappy versions of Golden Age-style heroes has got a lot of catching up to do before it even begins to compete with CoX. Not the other way round. I found it amusing that all CoX had to do was add a couple of QoL updates and colour customization and suddenly people weren't too worried about the competition anymore.
3) I've never PvP'd - actually that's a lie, I have. But I didn't enjoy it. That said, I thought the point of dual builds was that you could have one set of PvE and one set of PvP enhancements if you wanted. Sure, it's expensive, but there are so many ways to earn inf and gain benefits from other 'currency' that it's less of a worry.
When CoV launched, there were some moderator-run events to encourage people into the zones. I'd vote for more of these to encourage PvPers and non-PvPers to have fun, perhaps even have an increased benefit for PvP weekend. I've been tempted to PvP in the past but found that those I PvPd with were more intent on ganking a single enemy than having a good battle with some witty repartee thrown in.
4) There is no problem with the charging system for the games, as far as I can tell. I was a bit miffed when it was no longer possible to use Maestro cards to pay for rolling subs and had to use my cobwebbed credit card. Apart from that, the value is good.