Don't get me involved in this Freedom vs Justice crap, I'll leave that to those who like to forum PvP.
Now, perhaps you like to actually answer my questions, who are you and whens the last time you've been on Justice for PvP.
I ask because you sound quite bitter and I don't want to make any assumptions about you.
I'll give you the whole it's not Freedom nor will it be thing. I mean if it was then perhaps those top tier players who left for greener pastures would still play actively on the server.
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Actually, I doubt it's getting involved, it is simply that, justice, by any sort of comparison is dieing. I Xfered a lowbie there JUST so I could RV pill box farm in peace. maybe a sum of 6-8 hours later, not a single person had been in the zone. No I don't just play on off hours, I've played a few stretches of about 2 hours there. Maybe 3 or 4 times since wens. Usually at about 6 pst when freedom gets too laggy for me to have fun in zones and arena is dead except for the regulars.|
Originally Posted by Toxic_Troll
Don't get me involved in this Freedom vs Justice crap, I'll leave that to those who like to forum PvP.
Now, perhaps you like to actually answer my questions, who are you and whens the last time you've been on Justice for PvP. I ask because you sound quite bitter and I don't want to make any assumptions about you. I'll give you the whole it's not Freedom nor will it be thing. I mean if it was then perhaps those top tier players who left for greener pastures would still play actively on the server. |
I <3 my home server, triumph, but saying its dead is beyond an understatement and there are 5-6 regulars that go into the zones exempting me and the few more dedicated pvpers leaving for freedom.
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Don't get me involved in this Freedom vs Justice crap, I'll leave that to those who like to forum PvP.
Now, perhaps you like to actually answer my questions, who are you and whens the last time you've been on Justice for PvP. I ask because you sound quite bitter and I don't want to make any assumptions about you. |
Not bitter. Nothing to be bitter about.
I'm just a Virtue zone farmer that transfered to Justice for a week last month out of curiosity. Sat AFK on the globe in RV for 3 hours in the afternoon... nothing.
My only zone farm experience was a silly regener that kept chasing me around the zone untill I killed him with a heavy. He got mad and asked me to duel. I laughed hard.
I checked the Terminals..there were perhaps 5 matches I saw scheduled the entire week I was on Justice.
It was dead. that was my experience. That's fine if you don't want to get into a Freedom vs Justice pissing match, I respct that.
However, compared to Freedom heck even Virtue, justice PvP is dead.
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That doesn't make much sense because barrier is actually one of the top players left. I'll give you el chido...he is really bad.|
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You have bad barrier and that El chido dude i read about. I call it even
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Also, you make it sound like Tokyo is wrong just because he didn't play on Justice. Well, you don't have to drive a Geo Metro to know it's a worse car than a Lexus. It's pretty common knowledge. But if it makes you happy, I played on Justice. And I will also say that its PvP is dead compared to Freedom.
It wasn't too bad like 2-3 years ago. I would go there whenever I felt like playing the game on easy mode. Even then, the difference between the average Justice player vs Freedom player was very noticeable. But as of like 1 year ago, I gave up on it completely. Any time I went to PvP, there would either be ZERO people there, or like 4 guys fight clubbing and talking mad **** to anybody that interrupted their FC.
At this point, even Virtue has more PvP, and that's saying a lot, because Virtue is dead compared to Freedom as well.
Well said Sentry4
loljustice
1. Toxic Troll is not a good PvPer. He's one of the more or less bad Stalkers that likes to sit in RV and run his mouth when he manages to get an AS off.
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Originally Posted by Sentry4
I actually went to Freedom about a year ago with Leroy. I was surprised to see SC alive, when it was completely dead on Justice. But it just wasn't the same there, it was just a ghost of the zone i originally enjoyed. RV wasn't any different for me.
The main arguments i hear of why some choose Justice over Freedom were just too many people and no FotMs. I mean i'm leveling up my PB to PvP, just because nobody is playing one. And my invul scrapper is 41. Though it's true we all kind of know each other on the server, and how each other play. But that doesn't mean there is never a surprise. It can actually be more surprising. Someone will know the attack chain of a psi/em or how to fight a thug/pain, but then you have deal with things like a Plant dom, or a dark melee brute. As for fighting a random sea of people, yea it's all preference. Justice won't die. I've already heard from some of our best players that they are not leaving. |
You must not be terribly familiar with PvP anymore. Lots of people have been rolling PB's since I13 hit. Saying "non-FotM builds require you to think more" isn't a truth at all. FotM builds are FotM because they're the most effective at what they do, and anything less than that is less of a threat to someone who knows anything at all about the game. If I know how to handle a Fire/EM or Psi/EM, there's nothing that's going to give me any "oh god what do i do i've never seen this build before" fits. I'd like to know who these "best players" you're talking about are, because I don't know a single good Justice PvPer that hasn't transferred something to Freedom (heck, Leroy brought over a Scrapper today or something). Justice is dead, and it's been dead since probably before I13.
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Originally Posted by Sentry4
What if Freedoms best player just suddenly switched all his toons to Pinnacle? Would Pinnacle become the best pvp server then?
It's more then just the 'best' player. The best players are not bound by servers. You don't need to go to Freedom to become the best, nor Justice. We can exclude them because the best player may be on some server completely unknown, or maybe he quit a year ago. Both Servers have high end game play. What Justice doesn't have is a bunch of easy button toons camping each other at base. I don't perfer Justice because it has 'more' of anything. It has 'less' annoyances and aggressive players. |
By all means, continue to stay on Justice, but don't be surprised when you find yourself fighting the same four or five people over and over again because you were too stubborn to recognize a good thing when you saw it.
EDIT: I'm not sure which of the regular Justice RV fiteklubbers the OP is, but I'm pretty sure he's a member of Hard Knocks (lol), and I'm more certain that he's one of the random Stalkers who will run around the zone spamming webnade and trying (and failing spectacularly, mind you) to get an AS off on a grounded target. Oh, also, there was an Elec/Therm on Justice that had Aid Self and Performance Shifter procs in all their attacks. She ended up transferring to Freedom and dropped Aid Self for something else, but the Performance Shifter procs are still there, and I must admit it's rather nice having a Therm giving me endurance.
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Well said Sentry4
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mac, shut up,i need a server to put pvpish toons i don't haveroom for on freedom and justice is looking to be the one because it looks like it will be worth the lolz of rolling ppl repeatedly. I might even git my merc/traps to 50 to roll them >.>
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Originally Posted by macskull
1. Toxic Troll is not a good PvPer. He's one of the more or less bad Stalkers that likes to sit in RV and run his mouth when he manages to get an AS off.
\ You must not be terribly familiar with PvP anymore. Lots of people have been rolling PB's since I13 hit. Saying "non-FotM builds require you to think more" isn't a truth at all. FotM builds are FotM because they're the most effective at what they do, and anything less than that is less of a threat to someone who knows anything at all about the game. If I know how to handle a Fire/EM or Psi/EM, there's nothing that's going to give me any "oh god what do i do i've never seen this build before" fits. I'd like to know who these "best players" you're talking about are, because I don't know a single good Justice PvPer that hasn't transferred something to Freedom (heck, Leroy brought over a Scrapper today or something). Justice is dead, and it's been dead since probably before I13. If the best player on Freedom up and transferred all his characters to Pinnacle, it'd be a tremendous waste of server slots because he'd be transferring away from the people that would be most competitive with him and that's counterintuitive to getting better. I don't think anyone ever made the claim that the "best" PvPer in the game is on Freedom (though I will do so now), but they are saying that most of the good players that are still left play on Freedom. Justice does not have "high end" PvP anymore and to suggest that it does is laughable at best. The fact that you admit you are not willing to put up with aggressive players is basically the same thing as you saying "I'm sorry, I can't be competitive with actual good players so I'll just go back here where I know people have the delusion of thinking I'm good." In short, there are few if any PvPers worth anything that are not able to put up with, as you say, the annoyances and aggressive players. By all means, continue to stay on Justice, but don't be surprised when you find yourself fighting the same four or five people over and over again because you were too stubborn to recognize a good thing when you saw it. EDIT: I'm not sure which of the regular Justice RV fiteklubbers the OP is, but I'm pretty sure he's a member of Hard Knocks (lol), and I'm more certain that he's one of the random Stalkers who will run around the zone spamming webnade and trying (and failing spectacularly, mind you) to get an AS off on a grounded target. Oh, also, there was an Elec/Therm on Justice that had Aid Self and Performance Shifter procs in all their attacks. She ended up transferring to Freedom and dropped Aid Self for something else, but the Performance Shifter procs are still there, and I must admit it's rather nice having a Therm giving me endurance. |
@Max
I was just stirring the pot earlier, nothing serious about my post at all. It's not a knock on their skills, I'm not who could or would say whether they are good or not, makes no difference to me one way or the other actually.
I was just naming 2 known PvP celebs if you will from Freedom who came up a lot in forum discussions, much like the 2 Justicites mentioned.
@both & Sentry
Justice is more a min/maxer and badger heaven server nowadays. If anyone tells you different they need to put the pipe down. RV is the only action left period. Everyone knows everybody else one way or another and It's hero heavy which I think is why ppl tend to fiteclub more often than not, but it's not as rampant as it used to be. If the numbers are there it's a mini zone war. Holiday events totally kill the zone (best time for pl's on Justice) and its not as if we had a ton of people in it during regular times. Given that test Pvpers reside on Freedom I'm sure the overall quality of player should be better, you guys wrote the book on team tactics. That said, I still think you'll find that what is left would give you an adequate challenge but all our big guns are waving the Freedom flag now. It sucks, but what can you do.
We get it Mac. You have absolutely no respect for our server or anyone who plays on it. We are not in your league.
Quote that and add it to your signature, perhaps you'll leave this dead horse where it belongs. Justice and everyone on it sucks and that's the bottom line 'cause Mac said so.
Incidentally you're wrong about me. I don't trash talk. I'm probably the one vil who has nothing to say at all actually. The heroes are the ones with the numbers and the trash talk. I just get my frag and move on.
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Originally Posted by Not_Epsilon
mac, shut up,i need a server to put pvpish toons i don't haveroom for on freedom and justice is looking to be the one because it looks like it will be worth the lolz of rolling ppl repeatedly. I might even git my merc/traps to 50 to roll them >.>
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Originally Posted by Toxic_Troll
We get it Mac. You have absolutely no respect for our server or anyone who plays on it. We are not in your league.
Quote that and add it to your signature, perhaps you'll leave this dead horse where it belongs. Justice and everyone on it sucks and that's the bottom line 'cause Mac said so. |
It really doesn't help Justice's "PvP image" when there are people like Zen Shadow, Master Tiger Paw, and Sentry talking it up.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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I will say I have been on Triumph since the game launched, with the exception of a couple of toons I transferred a while back to do some zone and arena stuff with After School Special when we had nothing going on on the Test Server. Now with that said I will say that I have moved 4 toons over to Freedom already, because like Eps said Triumph's PvP scene is pretty much our SG and VG there and most of us are xferring our toons to Freedom which will leave Triumph's PvP scene about empty. Most not all of the old test team players that are left are PvPing on Freedom. Like I said not all but still it is the majority of the old "hardcore" competitive players are now on Freedom. So just by the number of people who have PvP competitively for a long time being there I would say that Freedom has the best PvP in the game. It definately has the most people PvPing. Today at 2 pm eastern there were a ton of villians and I know at least 18-25 heores battling in RV and at the same time there were a couple very competitive 2v2's and 3v3's going on in the arena at the same time. I am going to say that that doesn't happen on any other server
I would say that the level of PvP on Freedom is many many steps higher than that of any other server. If you can't handle being targetted by a team or you want to stand under the statue and FightKlub it up then yeah it may not be for you, but I would say that after Jan. 31st there are going to be very few PvPr's left on any server other than Freedom and, I can't believe I am going to say this, Virtue. I know that En3my of M4n and CriticalKat are trying to get PvP going more on Champion but still the majority are transferring to Freedom.
So long story short Freedom>any other server when it comes to the competitiveness of PvP
I know, I know Psypunk post, and I am sorry.
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If all you're looking to do is roll fiteklubbers with the very rare decent zone or arena matchup, sure.
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I doubt anyone would duel my n/p MM or my N/D MM unless they are half-brain dead or specialize in it. I don't particularly enjoy fighting toons tailored to my exact weakness, and stormies are everywhere freedom-side. And fiteklub fits rite into that first catagory.
last post in this thread for me
I never said I haven't ever trash talked, I'm sure I have. Nowadays I have nothing to say. I don't like to get involved in that aspect of PvP and 9/10 times I avoid it like the plague.
I'll fall back on the putting words in your mouth thing. Your recent posting history on the subject speaks for itself and that's where I was coming from. I mean given your explanation I guess I can't blame you though.. that makes my point moot heh but I was only talking pvp, my bad.
Nobody said I was a good pvper in this thread and if they did I sure missed it, but you made sure to point out that I sucked. Hell I'll even tell you i'm average at best. I started pvping to get a fusion gen for my SG and then I got one for my solo VG. I liked it and I dabble but its not much more than casual pvp for recipes and a farm break. I
That said, I have nothing against you. You, Con, Lukas and others are who I have in mind when I said the core moved to freedom for better pvp. I respect competition, and you guys were it when I started out.
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@Max
I was just stirring the pot earlier, nothing serious about my post at all. It's not a knock on their skills, I'm not who could or would say whether they are good or not, makes no difference to me one way or the other actually. I was just naming 2 known PvP celebs if you will from Freedom who came up a lot in forum discussions, much like the 2 Justicites mentioned. @both & Sentry Justice is more a min/maxer and badger heaven server nowadays. If anyone tells you different they need to put the pipe down. RV is the only action left period. Everyone knows everybody else one way or another and It's hero heavy which I think is why ppl tend to fiteclub more often than not, but it's not as rampant as it used to be. If the numbers are there it's a mini zone war. Holiday events totally kill the zone (best time for pl's on Justice) and its not as if we had a ton of people in it during regular times. Given that test Pvpers reside on Freedom I'm sure the overall quality of player should be better, you guys wrote the book on team tactics. That said, I still think you'll find that what is left would give you an adequate challenge but all our big guns are waving the Freedom flag now. It sucks, but what can you do. |
Stop with the retarded server pride ****.
Stop identifying yourself as "Justice" and start identifying yourself as a PvPer.
Once you get around to doing this come join the rest of the community on Freedom.
I pvp on freedom, have for some time. I wear Justice on my sleeve like a badge of honor. Always remember where you came from. Always.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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Originally Posted by ConFlict
I pvp on freedom, have for some time. I wear Justice on my sleeve like a badge of honor. Always remember where you came from. Always.
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I moved to Freedom over year ago . I remember i got rolled quite hard on my corr in arena at first time, but honestly, if you stay on dead server, you will never get better, only better challenge can help you to improve. Surely, i am still lol Frost Elf D, but i did personally learn a lot and i am thankfull to Freedom for all the things i could experience on this server. There are surely shadow sides of Freedom, like mass of bad players, noobs, trolls etc, but then again on Freedom there are more decent pvpers than on any other server atm imo.
P.S. oh lol just for matter of fact, i was hardcore FCer (cuz arena would barely ever happen on Pro), however i never got an idea to force FC rules on arena matches.
P.S.S. Will pay to person who will teach Sentry how to quote in 1 post.
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Agreed and I do not believe it could be said any better. I am from Justice. I still PvP and run events there. I still have a bulk of my 50's Justice. I just moved my primary PvP character to Freedom because the time is right and you really can't beat free. However as far as I am concerned you have to fight the best to improve. Freedom has the best. I would be delusional if I did not see that. They have the best Justice PvPers and the best PvPers from all servers here as well. |
Originally Posted by ConFlict
I pvp on freedom, have for some time. I wear Justice on my sleeve like a badge of honor. Always remember where you came from. Always.
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As for lolfiteclub, anyone can fight that kind of engagement. Anyone can go toe to toe, its just like PvE. Targets are stationary, they don't jump or move around, its just power use 101 and shooting a fish in a barrel. However fighting a moving target, someone who can use all tricks and all tactics available based on their powers, experience and ability, thats challenging and thats actual PvP.
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Originally Posted by Ice Knight
Agreed and I do not believe it could be said any better. I am from Justice. I still PvP and run events there. I still have a bulk of my 50's Justice. I just moved my primary PvP character to Freedom because the time is right and you really can't beat free. However as far as I am concerned you have to fight the best to improve. Freedom has the best. I would be delusional if I did not see that. They have the best Justice PvPers and the best PvPers from all servers here as well.
As for lolfiteclub, anyone can fight that kind of engagement. Anyone can go toe to toe, its just like PvE. Targets are stationary, they don't jump or move around, its just power use 101 and shooting a fish in a barrel. However fighting a moving target, someone who can use all tricks and all tactics available based on their powers, experience and ability, thats challenging and thats actual PvP. |
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Freedom has the best. I would be delusional if I did not see that.
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Originally Posted by Pwn Masta General
Hello everyone.
As some of you may have noticed, Virtue and Freedumb have risen quite a bit above the other servers in the number of PvP players. Hopefully you also noticed that these server's PvP zones are normally zone wars and more often than not filled with more than its fair share of noobs. If you are fine playing in these zones, then please just stop reading and go to a different thread, but if you want a challenging PvP experience, then keep going. Justice is by far the best place for an aspiring PvPer or a seasoned professional to test thier stuff out against Justice's mightiest. It's PvP experience is a lot of 1v1, zone wars and Pocket D rallies. Heroside Justice has many great normal SG's as well as a few PvP SGs, Game Over and The Front Lines. Villainside, they also have many SG's, including the famous Vincent Balmont School of Hard Knocks. So if you are into PvP to jump around and shoot some people then get AS'ed and not get any better, go to Virtue or Freedumb. But if you want a PvP experience that will not only be fun, but make you better as well, then come on over to Justice. -Pwn Masta General |
YOu should put your "Justice Spirit" to good use and become a PVPEC rep and help promote pvp on your server. Send me a p.m. if that tickles your fancy.
As far as Freedom, just like everyone else I have moved to Freedom as well. I totally plan on continuing to help with Champion pvp and events. Lets be honest though, this move to Freedom is something that is needed. There just isn't enough pvpr's across 11 servers to keep a healthy stream of events and daily competition going. If Freedom currently has a lot of noobs it won't for long. Most everyone I know from the old test ladder has migrated to Freedom as well. If the noobs weren't schooled before, they are soon to have a rude awakening.
I am a Justice native, but I transferred a few toons to Freedom recently. BIG MISTAKE! My primary complaints are:
-everyone uses inspirations. It is hard to fight if all they have to do is pop a green and heal up after I am hammering on them for a few minutes.
-no one honors my challenge to fight under the globe in RV. When I show up and start to tell them the rules, I get stunned/held/AS'd and killed before the fight can start. Repeatedly.
-even melee toons have phase. weak.
-if you like to fly, people will target you with web grenades and then gang you like 5:1 when you fall.
-when I got a kill and got a pvp recipe, they told me it was worth 200K so I sold it to a blaster for 3 mil. I found out later it was worth 800 mil. liars.
-the lag is horrible
-all of the players have fake names that are not in line with their origins and powersets. Like natural origin broadsword scrapers with names like 'ur a nub haha' instead of 'Leonidas'.
-if you ask a question in broadcast people will give you wrong answers and trick you into getting killed repeatedly. IT IS NOT FUN.
I will be transferring back as soon as possible. Hopefully all of these 'leet pvpers' will not follow.
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Originally Posted by Gerswin
I am a Justice native, but I transferred a few toons to Freedom recently. BIG MISTAKE! My primary complaints are:
-everyone uses inspirations. It is hard to fight if all they have to do is pop a green and heal up after I am hammering on them for a few minutes. -no one honors my challenge to fight under the globe in RV. When I show up and start to tell them the rules, I get stunned/held/AS'd and killed before the fight can start. Repeatedly. -even melee toons have phase. weak. -if you like to fly, people will target you with web grenades and then gang you like 5:1 when you fall. -when I got a kill and got a pvp recipe, they told me it was worth 200K so I sold it to a blaster for 3 mil. I found out later it was worth 800 mil. liars. -the lag is horrible -all of the players have fake names that are not in line with their origins and powersets. Like natural origin broadsword scrapers with names like 'ur a nub haha' instead of 'Leonidas'. -if you ask a question in broadcast people will give you wrong answers and trick you into getting killed repeatedly. IT IS NOT FUN. I will be transferring back as soon as possible. Hopefully all of these 'leet pvpers' will not follow. |
Have we met? What I mean is, who are you in game and when's the last time you were on my server. I'm guessing you are someone I know and a regular since you are so eager to answer my question for me
I answered it for you because any other response than: "it's dead, dying or in the throes of death," would be a lie.
but i'm being rude. My appologies. Please feel free to respond.
I'll be waiting with antica...pation for your answer...