Mercs Serum - Worth having?


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Pretty much the title. Given a 1000sec recharge and a crash, is it worth having and slotting? Or skip out for something else?


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I am currently leveling a Mercs and I plan on skipping it. The long recharge and short duration just don't seem worth it for a very situational power.


 

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If I had to name a top 10 list of skippable powers, this would easily be on it. Maybe it would suck less with Thugs and the melee centric Bruiser, but with Mercs... yech.


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It's okay when it's active (and decent when slotted), but it doesn't last long enough for the huge recharge. The duration, I think, really needs to be increased.


 

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Pretty much the title. Given a 1000sec recharge and a crash, is it worth having and slotting? Or skip out for something else?

skip it. It isn't worth it.


 

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Its... not worth it.

.. realllly not worth it.


 

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As a Merc/ MM, I took it then IO'd it with a Recharge and bought 5 Set IOs of Aegis (Everything but +Resistance Alone)

Giving the Merc a 75.7% Resistance to all but Psionics and making the recharge time only 506 Seconds (Assuming you didnt get hasten that is)


Hell, I took it as a last resort for my Mercs. It came in handy when your enemies can do massive damage on them and you need time to summon out more.

My advice, take it when you're higher leveled.


 

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So... It's only even barely usable if it's six slotted, and stuffed with top-end IOs. And even then it's only available perhaps twice in a *long* mission, and still only lasts a very short time. Or you could spend the same six slots on a power that isn't junk. I know which one I'd go with.

Honestly though, the whole Merc set seems to need a balance pass. The "special abilites" on their attacks are all really long duration for the benefit they provide, and they seem to have fairly low damage overall for a bunch of loons with assault weapons. My level 50 Necro recently teamed up with a level 50 Merc, and all but the tier three seemed to be consistently out-damaged by my *zombies.* The Spec Ops seemed to be glitched and didn't even attack all that much, and the soldiers were always down a man because the first thing the Medic would do is throw a grenade at a boss and then run up and punch him.


 

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So... It's only even barely usable if it's six slotted, and stuffed with top-end IOs. And even then it's only available perhaps twice in a *long* mission, and still only lasts a very short time. Or you could spend the same six slots on a power that isn't junk. I know which one I'd go with.
Well, not exactly. If you slotted Serum with at least 1 Recharge IO then it'd be 8 minutes and 26 seconds of cooldown plus if you got Hasten (Most likely you will) then it cuts that cooldown time by 70% (too lazy to do numbers right now).

Considering which other powers you will go with, most of the ones you'd take will STILL give you enough room/slots for a Serum. I took Hasten, SuperSpeed, Assault, Maneuveurs, Tactics, Vengeance, Aid Other, Aid Self, Resuscitate, Hurdle, Health, and Stamina and I was still able to take Serum.


 

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Why would you assume someone has Hasten? Especially on a Mastermind. Personally I greatly dislike the power, and only have it on about three characters out of nearly 50. And at over eight minutes, Serum is still on a far longer timer than the six minute AOE Controller holds. Which many people skip because they're on such long timers that they're effectively useless except as a panic button.

And for "which other powers you'd go with" most of the ones on your list are also powers I consider to be completely skipable. I rarely choose to team, so none of my characters have "team only" powers like Resuscitate or Vengeance. I believe I have one character with the Leadership powers, which I'll probably drop the next time I play them. (If you're not stacking them in a full team of people that also have them, they really don't do a heck of a lot.) Between Stamina, which is often needed as much as I hate it, and a travel power (which for me is *never* Superspeed) I'm already short on slots, since I tend to choose powersets where I actually intend to take most of them. Even aside from my deranged preference for taking personal attacks on a Mastermind.

In any case, none of that changes the fact that Serum is a very poor power in a relatively weak set.


 

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In any case, none of that changes the fact that Serum is a very poor power in a relatively weak set.
My advice, take it at higher levels.


 

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I believe I have one character with the Leadership powers, which I'll probably drop the next time I play them. (If you're not stacking them in a full team of people that also have them, they really don't do a heck of a lot.)
Leadership is awesome on a mastermind, even if solo, because it boosts all your pets stats as well as yours. Who wouldn't want an extra 2.625% defense to all, 11.25% damage and 7.5% to hit?


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Serum is worthless. Don't take it. If the base recharge was half what it is, it might be a maybe.


 

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My advice, take it at higher levels.

I always take serum at lvl 51.


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I took serum but rarely use it. It's basically unstoppable for one of your pets with the same long recharge and very annoying health and endurance drop.

But, you could use it as a mule for some good IOs, like steadfast -kb and res/def, aegis status/psi, impervious skin mez resist, impervium armor psi resist, or gladiator armor tp resist and +def.

Or you could use those same sets or the other resistance ones for their set bonuses.


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Short answer: No.

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo no no no.

Complicated Answer: Using Slug would probably result in more net gain damage wise than buffing any one pet with Serum, since they have to stop, animate it, then proceed to use their decent powers instead of deciding, "Hai luk, im tank nao" and rushing into melee.

If you could buff yourself with Serum, I'd prolly consider it a better power, or if it buffed all the pets for a smaller duration/recharge.

Thought: Perhaps they should replace it with a "Stim-Pack" toggle, which causes your Henchmen to do more damage and take less damage(Thinking Defense in the form of "Absorbed" damage), but decreases their regeneration and the effects of heals.


 

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Honestly though, the whole Merc set seems to need a balance pass. The "special abilites" on their attacks are all really long duration for the benefit they provide, and they seem to have fairly low damage overall for a bunch of loons with assault weapons. My level 50 Necro recently teamed up with a level 50 Merc, and all but the tier three seemed to be consistently out-damaged by my *zombies.* The Spec Ops seemed to be glitched and didn't even attack all that much, and the soldiers were always down a man because the first thing the Medic would do is throw a grenade at a boss and then run up and punch him.
The spec ops do actually attack plenty, the problem is their powers. They cycle between their snipe (long recharge and activation), and some of their controls like the flashbangs etc. Actually using their gun to kill the enemy they aren't as fond of.


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Take it, this why.

Take when you need a power that requires 1 slot, reason for taking it, you can stick the Steadfast: +3 Defense/Resistance in it. This adds +3 percent to your Total Defense(most MM's take Scorp Shield.)


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I skipped it....


 

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Leadership is awesome on a mastermind, even if solo, because it boosts all your pets stats as well as yours. Who wouldn't want an extra 2.625% defense to all, 11.25% damage and 7.5% to hit?
Um, because those are lower values than from a single Training IO? And because to get them, I have to waste a slot on a power that bleeds endurance like mad? I almost never team up, so I can't stack the bonuses to anything worthwhile. The *only* case I could see for the Leadership powers being anything other than complete garbage is on a Thugs MM. And even then, there's usually plenty of other powers I'd rather take. 3% defense is a joke. 11% damage might be nice for a Blaster or Scrapper, but most MM pets have their damage spread across several fairly small attacks - 11% of a 60 damage attack is 6 points. Big. Deal.


 

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Um, because those are lower values than from a single Training IO? And because to get them, I have to waste a slot on a power that bleeds endurance like mad? I almost never team up, so I can't stack the bonuses to anything worthwhile. The *only* case I could see for the Leadership powers being anything other than complete garbage is on a Thugs MM. And even then, there's usually plenty of other powers I'd rather take. 3% defense is a joke. 11% damage might be nice for a Blaster or Scrapper, but most MM pets have their damage spread across several fairly small attacks - 11% of a 60 damage attack is 6 points. Big. Deal.
Well, since it's spread out, I guess we should bring all the numbers together;

Robotics Mastermind Tiers 1 to 3,
Not accounting for any entities the henchmen themselves create(even though to all my knowledge it would affect those as well).

AoEs multiplied by 2.5

(58.5+95.76+300.3)*.1125= 51.14

(50.14+82.2+112.6)*.1125= 27.56

(30.59+60.25+125.4+119.9)*.1125= 37.82

so 116.52 extra damage in total before any debuffs on the enemies or any increase/decrease based on level, as well as the fact this number will go up with debuffs, and your other option for damage increase is personal attacks, which are two powers that are going to be worse DPE and more slots than Assault.

Then again, in the event all of this is crucially flawed(Math isn't my first language), I think my alternate answer is that: Hey, who can have too much damage? Then again my Mastermind doesn't have End issues and not everyone plays the same way.


 

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I took it for my Mercs and then 3- or 4-slotted Efficacy Adaptor into it.

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Pretty much the title. Given a 1000sec recharge and a crash, is it worth having and slotting? Or skip out for something else?
I've taken it twice and twice I respec it out at higher level.

Why? Because by the time that I feel my Commando should tank, Serum doesn't offer Psionic resistance and that's one resistance that many Brutes don't have and your soldiers don't have psi resistance.

The duration is pretty short at 60s.

I guess with short duration is ok but I hate that endurance drain in the end. Why draining a pet's endurance?? I have to throw him a blue or two. I would rather save my inspirations for purple or orange and toss them to Commando and goto him. That's your "semi-god" right there!

The damage buff from Serum is really not noticeable.

So basically, unless you have nothing else better to take or you really like Merc set or you want to use it as a slot for unique set, I would advise you stay away from Serum. I took it twice and I always forgot to use.


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.