Looking for suggestions to make the game interesting again.
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Posted on: 2009-10-30 21:22 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
As for an actual suggestion, let me first pick on this:
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That depends on your standards. If you don't want to deal with Inventions and the Market, do what I do and lower your difficulty. It's not shameful. No, seriously, there is no shame to play against even con enemies.|
Originally Posted by Nem74
I've leveled every AT to lvl 50, but let's be honest, if you don't invest at Wentworths or the Black Market, you're toon is going to be sub par at best.
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And as for an ACTUAL actual suggestion, from where I stand, you have two options. As the Goat suggested, do something new, or try to rediscover something old. For me, this means switching characters. Don't reduce your characters to AT and powersets. Try to get a feel for them and try to either make a new one or rediscover an old one that feels right and go with that for a while. I'm not sure if that'll work for you, but the advice to just do something different stands.
Failing that, play another game. I'm actually serious here. Every time I get burned out a little more, I play something else. Usually some single-player game that I can clear in a couple of days. I usually use either the Half-Life 2 series or the Prince of Persia series. Right now I'm actually playing Torchlight, which I don't foresee holding me much longer than the end of tomorrow. Just get a change of pace, let the City of Heroes experience sink in a little bit, then try the game again and see if it feels better.
And that's about all I have.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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There is tremendous variety within the AT's. The different defender sets are dramatically different from each other. Have you taken every defender set to 50? I'm working on it. I've taken empathy, dark, force fields, radiation and kinetics to 50. I have thermal at 40 currently. Still a ways to go to try them all.|
Originally Posted by Nem74
I've leveled every AT to lvl 50,
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Paragon City Search And Rescue
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Content, Content, Content!!
I've been saying this for ages about this game, even started a thread on the old EU forums about it, but nothing ever gets mentioned about it from the devs.
Now, don't get me wrong, the game has shedloads of content, it will do after 5 years, but, and here's the rub, it's the same thing over and over!!
I'm desperate for new mission types. After nearly 5 years of playing it, i'm sick to death of the same mission style over and over. What have we got?
Defeat All
Rescue Hostage/Capture Hostage
Click Glowie
Defeat Boss and group around him
Combinations of those above....
Seriously, this is a Superhero game, with not enough superhero styled missions, and the same goes for villains. There's not enough variety. There's a whole stack of comic book storylines that can be used for inspiration and we just get the same mission style over and over and over and over and over and over.....
Don't get me wrong, i understand, this is a game. There are limits on what can be done. You can't have every single mission be different, obviously, that would take more programming power than there is on the entire planet, probably :d but even just a handful of new mission types would add some much needed variety. Levelling up can become such a slog doing these things over and over. And before anyone mentions Taskforces, they are the same problem. Mostly the same mission types in a row before anything interesting at the final mission. Indeed, some of the newer ones are much more interesting, the Sky Raiders base TF on villains, Statesman TF final mission, these are what make the game fun, having to work out different tactics for how to defeat it with different AT types is amazing fun, but there's only a few of these and only so many times you can do it without getting bored of of it again.
Personally, I'm pinning my hopes on Going Rogue. I'm hoping all the new content will have a LOT on new interesting stuff to do, other than the same mission types with different text and graphics. I would LOVE to see about 50 new TF's, all with different things to do in them and not just 10 missions in a row followed by "all pile on the AV" (I'm looking at you, Positron TF!) I'd love to see some missions happen at random out on the street, I'd love to see us actually rescuing people from things like a burning car, a falling crane, etc, things like this. With the talent that seems to be at Paragon Studios now, I'm sure they can do something interesting to keep us occupied more.
Currently, I'm on an extended break until things improve and am using the chance to get my day job badges 
but I really really hope that GR has some different things to do than the same old in new clothes.
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Personally, I wish they WON'T add more mission types. Last time people complained about it, we got new mission. And what did we get? Escorts, running bosses, destructible objective protection, simultaneous clicks. In other words, we got the most annoying, most reviled, most disruptive mission types the game currently has to offer. Frankly, if we had never gotten simu-clicks or running bosses, the game would have been a better place, as far as I'm concerned.
Then again, I'm biassed, because more of the same is exactly what I want.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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They're not too bad, as long as they're rare. Shakes things up a little. I certainly wouldn't want them more common, though.
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Frankly, even ONE simu-click in the whole game is one too many. This kind of enforced teaming for purely stupid reasons is anathema, in my book. Annoying mission types I can sort of tolerate, but I'll tell you one thing - I've never entered a running boss mission and thought anything other than "Man, I hate these missions!" It's a change of pace, true, but I'm not confident a change for the worse is a good thing. But as long as they're very rare, I can deal.
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Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
They're not too bad, as long as they're rare. Shakes things up a little. I certainly wouldn't want them more common, though.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd also like to add that I don't think that running bosses is bad in theory, but in practice it's just not particularily well executed. Maybe if it wasn't so much "run to the door, you lose" but more like the Rikti Communication Officers where it certainly makes it harder if they get off their power, but it doesn't make you fail.
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Around the time of i13 or whatever issue it was, which gave Pain Domination to Masterminds, I was about to take an extended break from the game. I got pretty bored with the game, as you do eventually.
Then our small SG decided to all roll MM's just to try the new pools. Two of us took Paindom (with area heal on autofire), and we kitted the MM's to purely buff the pets.
It was the fastest run to lvl 50 I've ever done. No farming, difficulty on max. Enemies had no prayer, when our shooty pets mowed them down. And there were a LOT of mobs!
We were huddling together, multiple Maneuvers and Assaults, paindom boosts and heals. Basically enemies had to kill our pets with a single blow, or they immediately healed to full HP's.
It might sound a bit boring, but managing pets and trying to get endurance to last made it weirdly interesting. Completely different style of playing. It was also pretty hectic and the amount of action on screen was insane. And it was fun to curse the pets, as they decided to scamper after a running mob, didin't immediately respond to your heel commands, and succeeded in aggroing rooms full of mobs in the process. 
After that MM run I've stayed in the game. We've found other weird team combos with our SG.
My point is finding a SG of like-minded players helps a lot.
The team dynamic is another dimension to the game. Try all rolling MM's, or melee-oriented AT's. Try playing without healers or fire/kins. Or try a team of all fire/kins.
And stick with it. A single mission or TF is fun and all, but sticking with the exact same group of heroes for lvl 1 to 50 is another thing.
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You mean I'm not the only one in the universe who thinks this? I've always found all the arguments that 'X set sucks because Y set performs way better if you IO it to the soft cap' and 'Defenders suck because you can use IOs to beat their performance' to be kind of silly, since about 5% of the people I look at have more than a handful of set bonuses listed.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Just looking at peoples 50s it is clear that SO and/or common IO builds are par.
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I'd honestly take a fight against the clock over a fight with a running enemy. The game just isn't designed to allow you to fight on the move. Travel powers suppress, attacks root you in place for long periods and bosses take a severe beating before going down. I wouldn't mind it if the boss took breaks to shoot back, or ran away to a checkpoint with reinforcements or some such, but just running a fleeing enemy is no fun. Not in any game I've tried that didn't let me snipe people in the back of the head for a one hit kill.|
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
I'd also like to add that I don't think that running bosses is bad in theory, but in practice it's just not particularily well executed. Maybe if it wasn't so much "run to the door, you lose" but more like the Rikti Communication Officers where it certainly makes it harder if they get off their power, but it doesn't make you fail.
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But, really, running bosses remind me of the WORST design for an enemy in ANY game I've seen ever - the Succubus women in the original Diablo. They would shoot at range with rather powerful attacks and then run away when you approached them. They ran at the exact same speed you did, so catching them in a straight race was impossible and you could only melee them if you tricked the AI into jamming itself into a corner. And as soon as you stopped chasing, they resumed shooting at you. That's what a boss chase feels like - unfair in the extreme.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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No, you're not. I usually craft common IOs for my characters, but with the explosion of salvage prices, I've taken to selling everything to fund SOs until they hit 50, and =then= flush them out with common IOs.|
Originally Posted by Kelenar
You mean I'm not the only one in the universe who thinks this? I've always found all the arguments that 'X set sucks because Y set performs way better if you IO it to the soft cap' and 'Defenders suck because you can use IOs to beat their performance' to be kind of silly, since about 5% of the people I look at have more than a handful of set bonuses listed.
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As to the original topic, I don't have an answer. The game has never lost its compelling interest for me.
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Alternately, get together with some friends. Have THEM pick your AT and powersets. (You can do this "secret santa" style or have everyone vote on everyone else - AT first, then sets.) And you have to play that character.|
Originally Posted by Leandro
That one is an excellent idea. I'll need to make a script that picks the 10 characters' ATs and powersets for me, though, since otherwise I would "cheat" and make characters I know have high survival rates.
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Of course, they have to play THEIRS, too.
Yes, some friends of mine and I did this. Rather fun, though it's not on our main server, so we're not over there quite as much. The group's worked its way into the RPs as well. (I ended up nicely with a fire/kin Corruptor.)
The best thing I could think of that hasn't been mentioned is to roll a toon on a different server.
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I never say no to a giant monster hunt across paragon. But sometimes its rather hard to start a team for that. And i miss Kronos lol.
HA lets see and keep in mind these are my opinions n some from sg/vg
1. the auto sk/lcky killed us i think majority of us play for fun just want to lvl fast try a build n move on why they nerfed ae after we havent seen numbers like that playing since forever ago i dont know because of the few crying over noobs not learning SO WHAT teach em
2. forum is flooded with ideas they barely ever use like they think they will get sued
3. maintenance aggro made lots leave
4. where is creative missions fighting near a spewing volcano,on clouds , in swamps, during thunder storm etc...
5. emotes of fishing but cant fish i would love to fish for insp,io's, badges , outfits, n fish that are a new salvage for crafting.
6. add bus stops that can take u to mission doors to eliminate the city to city run around just to talk
7. im rich on all toons but be nice to have an account that all my toons can share the wealth like have a real reason for banks n when u fail a bank job its your money that loses 10% lol
8. why does ww or bm have a charge for everything i didnt know the devs needed that money too lol get rid of that they want to have an itchy finger over the nerf button nerf that devs
9. 1 new power not recycled or reused for every release it will def. keep us busy trying something completely new kinda like crab spiders release we all had 1 or was getting a 50 to try it
10. make lots of new io's some that u can have as many of the same bonus as u can get only they break and work half way when broken like u only get the bonus of set of 2 instead of 6 if it breaks from too many battles and the bonus cuts n half, if it was 2 recovery bonus now its 1 because it broke.
11. Add elementary schools for vets to sign n to teach a noob, for io bonuses noobs sign up to learn n get an i got it badge lol take em around n show them the ropes for a couple of hours like signing onto a tf
12. and last for devs to not just read the ideas from the forums but try them out add they 're own stuff to make it realistic n release it on the game i once read someone saying a whip would be nice sure we have other stuff like it but hey they released earth assault like we havnt seen that why couldnt we got a whip power boring but at least it wouldve been new not recycled and yepp i sure wouldve tried it lol
have fun guys i will never quit prolly will be one of the last on saying on forums look at what u did devs now what our game has no competition we too busy beating up ourselves
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Wait wait... it.... it has numbers.... but... it doesn't seem to be a joke list... I'm... I'm so confused!
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Originally Posted by SuperiorBling
HA lets see and keep in mind these are my opinions n some from sg/vg
1. the auto sk/lcky killed us i think majority of us play for fun just want to lvl fast try a build n move on why they nerfed ae after we havent seen numbers like that playing since forever ago i dont know because of the few crying over noobs not learning SO WHAT teach em 2. forum is flooded with ideas they barely ever use like they think they will get sued 3. maintenance aggro made lots leave 4. where is creative missions fighting near a spewing volcano,on clouds , in swamps, during thunder storm etc... 5. emotes of fishing but cant fish i would love to fish for insp,io's, badges , outfits, n fish that are a new salvage for crafting. 6. add bus stops that can take u to mission doors to eliminate the city to city run around just to talk 7. im rich on all toons but be nice to have an account that all my toons can share the wealth like have a real reason for banks n when u fail a bank job its your money that loses 10% lol 8. why does ww or bm have a charge for everything i didnt know the devs needed that money too lol get rid of that they want to have an itchy finger over the nerf button nerf that devs 9. 1 new power not recycled or reused for every release it will def. keep us busy trying something completely new kinda like crab spiders release we all had 1 or was getting a 50 to try it 10. make lots of new io's some that u can have as many of the same bonus as u can get only they break and work half way when broken like u only get the bonus of set of 2 instead of 6 if it breaks from too many battles and the bonus cuts n half, if it was 2 recovery bonus now its 1 because it broke. 11. Add elementary schools for vets to sign n to teach a noob, for io bonuses noobs sign up to learn n get an i got it badge lol take em around n show them the ropes for a couple of hours like signing onto a tf 12. and last for devs to not just read the ideas from the forums but try them out add they 're own stuff to make it realistic n release it on the game i once read someone saying a whip would be nice sure we have other stuff like it but hey they released earth assault like we havnt seen that why couldnt we got a whip power boring but at least it wouldve been new not recycled and yepp i sure wouldve tried it lol have fun guys i will never quit prolly will be one of the last on saying on forums look at what u did devs now what our game has no competition we too busy beating up ourselves |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Personally, I wish they WON'T add more mission types. Last time people complained about it, we got new mission. And what did we get? Escorts, running bosses, destructible objective protection, simultaneous clicks. In other words, we got the most annoying, most reviled, most disruptive mission types the game currently has to offer. Frankly, if we had never gotten simu-clicks or running bosses, the game would have been a better place, as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'd honestly take a fight against the clock over a fight with a running enemy. The game just isn't designed to allow you to fight on the move. Travel powers suppress, attacks root you in place for long periods and bosses take a severe beating before going down. I wouldn't mind it if the boss took breaks to shoot back, or ran away to a checkpoint with reinforcements or some such, but just running a fleeing enemy is no fun. Not in any game I've tried that didn't let me snipe people in the back of the head for a one hit kill.
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Originally Posted by SuperiorBling
HA lets see and keep in mind these are my opinions n some from sg/vg
1. the auto sk/lcky killed us i think majority of us play for fun just want to lvl fast try a build n move on why they nerfed ae after we havent seen numbers like that playing since forever ago i dont know because of the few crying over noobs not learning SO WHAT teach em 2. forum is flooded with ideas they barely ever use like they think they will get sued 3. maintenance aggro made lots leave 4. where is creative missions fighting near a spewing volcano,on clouds , in swamps, during thunder storm etc... 5. emotes of fishing but cant fish i would love to fish for insp,io's, badges , outfits, n fish that are a new salvage for crafting. 6. add bus stops that can take u to mission doors to eliminate the city to city run around just to talk 7. im rich on all toons but be nice to have an account that all my toons can share the wealth like have a real reason for banks n when u fail a bank job its your money that loses 10% lol 8. why does ww or bm have a charge for everything i didnt know the devs needed that money too lol get rid of that they want to have an itchy finger over the nerf button nerf that devs 9. 1 new power not recycled or reused for every release it will def. keep us busy trying something completely new kinda like crab spiders release we all had 1 or was getting a 50 to try it 10. make lots of new io's some that u can have as many of the same bonus as u can get only they break and work half way when broken like u only get the bonus of set of 2 instead of 6 if it breaks from too many battles and the bonus cuts n half, if it was 2 recovery bonus now its 1 because it broke. 11. Add elementary schools for vets to sign n to teach a noob, for io bonuses noobs sign up to learn n get an i got it badge lol take em around n show them the ropes for a couple of hours like signing onto a tf 12. and last for devs to not just read the ideas from the forums but try them out add they 're own stuff to make it realistic n release it on the game i once read someone saying a whip would be nice sure we have other stuff like it but hey they released earth assault like we havnt seen that why couldnt we got a whip power boring but at least it wouldve been new not recycled and yepp i sure wouldve tried it lol have fun guys i will never quit prolly will be one of the last on saying on forums look at what u did devs now what our game has no competition we too busy beating up ourselves |
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| I still like this game, I'm just looking for suggestions to make it enjoyable again. |
I understand that you are disappointed with the devs, but this is a post to help KEEP a player, not drive a player away.
Be positive.
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maybe i misunderstood thgt he was asking what can devs do to make it interesting so i tossed n my own list of opinions and why does everyone think i am disappointed at devs may feel they are slacking but hey its there game not mines n last i checked i still pay to play my thgts is it would be nice to see but still all n all who cares i play because of friends i have had on here for over 4 years that alone is what keeps me, an online family |
Originally Posted by Vega
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What does any of this: have to do with: ? I understand that you are disappointed with the devs, but this is a post to help KEEP a player, not drive a player away. Be positive. |
and surely when are u guys positive when telling someone we understand but your point sucks not u vega but n general i thgt if u dont have something nice to say dont say it u add your point of view not down someone elses but in this case u were asking did i reply to the post right only the be positive afterwards caught me i didnt see anything negative these are points of view only still can care less
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The question I would ask first is... are you looking for suggestions for changes in the game to make it enjoyable? Or are you looking for things RIGHT NOW that you can do to make it enjoyable?|
Originally Posted by Nem74
I've sensed I've lost some interest in the game over the past 9 months myself, so I thought I'd hit the forums for a little inspiration.
... I still like this game, I'm just looking for suggestions to make it enjoyable again. |
The "RIGHT NOW" part is easy... create some original Architect Missions and run them. Take some time, come up with some original creations, develop some stories... is there a story that you wanted to do differently? Maybe add your own twist to it?
If you can wait a little while, there is always "Going Rogue" when it comes out... in 2010. A whole new world full of new content and challenges to play with.
If you're thinking changes made to the game to make it enjoyable... well I would suggest finding a way to contact the developers directly (i.e. Hero Con) and coming up with some ideas, because going to the "Suggestions and Ideas" forum right now is sort of like turning to Bernie Madoff for investment advice. In fact I'm sorely tempted to suggest that the forum be renamed "Frustrations and Griefers" to better reflect what it has become.
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Inability to mine for fish is killing the game!!!!
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Originally Posted by superiorbling
5. Emotes of fishing but cant fish i would love to fish for insp,io's, badges , outfits, n fish that are a new salvage for crafting.
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Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.
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am I the only one who has trouble reading this and understanding what he wrote?
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Originally Posted by SuperiorBling
maybe i misunderstood thgt he was asking what can devs do to make it interesting so i tossed n my own list of opinions and why does everyone think i am disappointed at devs may feel they are slacking but hey its there game not mines n last i checked i still pay to play my thgts is it would be nice to see but still all n all who cares i play because of friends i have had on here for over 4 years that alone is what keeps me, an online family
and surely when are u guys positive when telling someone we understand but your point sucks not u vega but n general i thgt if u dont have something nice to say dont say it u add your point of view not down someone elses but in this case u were asking did i reply to the post right only the be positive afterwards caught me i didnt see anything negative these are points of view only still can care less |
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