We Want You to PvP - Beginner's Guide (Freedom)
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Acyl,
Posted on: 2009-10-26 20:51 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Reiraku said it best. Though this route could take more work, it DOES work. You will find that sometimes at the very core of things non-fotm (flavor of the month) toons can do a lot better than those that are with build focus and completion.
Do you need a PvP specific toon? Hell no. You have a blaster? Stalker? Brute? Tank? Scrapper? MM? Pretty much all of those will do ok for beginner pvp, PvP build or not. Just give it a shot, and I am 100% willing to help anyone out.
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Do you have mids? I personally don't play WP or any other watered down version of tank/brute secondaries but supposedly WP does just fine on scrappers. Katana is rumored to be the best Scrapper primary dishing out the most DPS, but then again, that is just what I hear in the zones due to the quick animations. If I were you i'd get combatr jumping, tough and weave, and manuevers slotting for def and regeneration to make that WP scrapper of yours a force to be reckoned with. I'm more of a duel builder than a zone pvp builder (not to be confused with arena) so i build my toons with minimal travel powers if they are scrappers or tanks so that they can have max def and such. For e.g. my wp tank only has combat jumping and as a result, i have room for more def to make him a tough kill for ANYONE.
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Originally Posted by ReclusesPhantom
I'm with the others, and by others, I mean the people that aren't trying to bash you for having this is the wrong section.
I found it helpful (especially the slotting part), the one problem I had is that you left out certain powersets of characters I have. (Altoholism means I'll find it hard to get a specific build to 50 so I need to use my current 50s) So, I was wondering (and was hoping you could PM me the answer), how would a Katana/Willpower Scrapper fare in PvP? And how should I slot/build it? PvP is something I've always wanted to get into.  |
Your all bent out of shape because non pvpers areposting in your thread?
Hmmm, Maybe you should have posted this in the PvP section? Or maybe the Guide section? Or maybe even the Freedom section as its in your title that you want people to come pvp you on Freedom server.
Just a thought.
But I agree, PvP just sucks resources out of a great game.
Ares - you may disagree with some of the people who dislike PVP. Or all of them, for that matter. But if you want your guide to be complete, it should address some of the issues that have been pointed out - PVP jerks, the fact that some powersets or power pools *will* have to struggle, PVP jerks, the difference between fighting NPCs and players in a PVP zone, PVP jerks, and trash talking. If you want to make a complete guide, that is.
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Fair, will do. Until after this thread, I didn't realize that the main reason people stay away from pvp is the trash-talking environment, though it is a minority.
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Originally Posted by ShadowsBetween
Ares - you may disagree with some of the people who dislike PVP. Or all of them, for that matter. But if you want your guide to be complete, it should address some of the issues that have been pointed out - PVP jerks, the fact that some powersets or power pools *will* have to struggle, PVP jerks, the difference between fighting NPCs and players in a PVP zone, PVP jerks, and trash talking. If you want to make a complete guide, that is.
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How is it the minority? I have read this thread completely and everytime someone says something you dont like, you throw a fit and immediatly start trash talking. |
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Fair, will do. Until after this thread, I didn't realize that the main reason people stay away from pvp is the trash-talking environment, though it is a minority.
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It is people like you that make people like me NOT want to PvP.
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It is player versus player.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's still PvP
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I think arena is for the mature crowd, where as zone pvp is for *others.
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That might be correct - just as long as you're not including the Arena channel as part of the Arena crowd |
Originally Posted by Silver_Lobo
It is player versus player.
I think arena is for the mature crowd, where as zone pvp is for *others. |
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Nope. The Arena channel seems to have its own following of ...|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That might be correct - just as long as you're not including the Arena channel as part of the Arena crowd
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But actual Arena PvP is handled very well in this game. (imo)
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It's kinda strange really. It happens no matter where you go ingame and even the forums. I suppose since there are only 4 pvp zones the concentration of idiots that talk trash is greater than in most pve zones since the population is spread thinner. On a similar note, I see the same amount of /bc trash talking in Atlas when I'm at the market as I do when I'm in RV.|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Fair, will do. Until after this thread, I didn't realize that the main reason people stay away from pvp is the trash-talking environment, though it is a minority.
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The biggest deterrent from pvp IMO is how completely opposite things are from pve. Also it doesn't help how the NPC's in zones are still OP'd. There really aren't any rewards save pvp io's and not many want to pvp enough to run across them. That being said, I do pvp but no where as much as I used to. I have been participating more as of late but that's due to a new pvp toon that I really enjoy playing.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
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I have the same experiences in Atlas Park and on the forums also. Two questions. What is your new pvp toon? When did you start pvping less?
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Originally Posted by Boomie
It's kinda strange really. It happens no matter where you go ingame and even the forums. I suppose since there are only 4 pvp zones the concentration of idiots that talk trash is greater than in most pve zones since the population is spread thinner. On a similar note, I see the same amount of /bc trash talking in Atlas when I'm at the market as I do when I'm in RV.
The biggest deterrent from pvp IMO is how completely opposite things are from pve. Also it doesn't help how the NPC's in zones are still OP'd. There really aren't any rewards save pvp io's and not many want to pvp enough to run across them. That being said, I do pvp but no where as much as I used to. I have been participating more as of late but that's due to a new pvp toon that I really enjoy playing. |
Just like in game I'm seeing a LOT more pve jerks flexing their epeens than I see pvp'ers.
OP is getting pissed cause you guys are trolling his thread...repeatedly. I'd get pissed too, he obviously put some time and effort into the OP. You don't have to read it, agree with it, like it, or even think about it. However, if you think it is in the wrong section that was covered in the 2nd POST. Mindlessly repeating it is at best displaying you have no reading comprehension, but are more likely just trolling the guy.
If you feel it is in the wrong section PM a moderator to have it moved. No one cares that you think it is in the wrong section because it was already mentioned...repeatedly.
The funny thing is (and hopefully the anti-pvp carebears can grasp this one). When you attack Ares from an anti-pvp position with some brainless rhetoric intended to inflame you are being a hypocrite. Additionally, Ares is being true to the nature of a pvp'er by "defending" himself. He may not be doing it in the most effective way, but I can understand his frustration for sure. You guys are annoying trolls.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
Just like in game I'm seeing a LOT more pve jerks flexing their epeens than I see pvp'ers.
OP is getting pissed cause you guys are trolling his thread...repeatedly. I'd get pissed too, he obviously put some time and effort into the OP. You don't have to read it, agree with it, like it, or even think about it. However, if you think it is in the wrong section that was covered in the 2nd POST. Mindlessly repeating it is at best displaying you have no reading comprehension, but are more likely just trolling the guy. If you feel it is in the wrong section PM a moderator to have it moved. No one cares that you think it is in the wrong section because it was already mentioned...repeatedly. The funny thing is (and hopefully the anti-pvp carebears can grasp this one). When you attack Ares from an anti-pvp position with some brainless rhetoric intended to inflame you are being a hypocrite. Additionally, Ares is being true to the nature of a pvp'er by "defending" himself. He may not be doing it in the most effective way, but I can understand his frustration for sure. You guys are annoying trolls. |
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
I have the same experiences in Atlas Park and on the forums also. Two questions. What is your new pvp toon? When did you start pvping less?
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2. I started pvp'ing less about a couple of weeks after I13. I gave it a shot, I really did, but sadly it's not what it used to be.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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Firstly, yeah understandable. Post i13 pvp can be "different" to say the least.|
Originally Posted by Boomie
1. Mind/Therm troller
2. I started pvp'ing less about a couple of weeks after I13. I gave it a shot, I really did, but sadly it's not what it used to be. |
Secondly! MIND THERM FTW! One of my favorite pvp toons is mind therm, ive been thinking of ioing him for some more hardcore pvp but im not sure ...i have so many toons to choose from :P Probably gonna wait til GR when if they release the rumored elec/therm
I'm lacking one purp set and 2 pvp sets before his IO's are finished and I'm only missing two acco's before he has them all. It's been a fun little pet project I must say.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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For what it's worth, I wasn't referring to your post when I mentioned ranting. I'm talking more about the random people who pop into the PvP section and make a new thread ranting about this-or-that power or AT is broken and it should be nerfed, and never come back into the thread again. My apologies, I should've been more clear.
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
How on earth can you take my post as a rant? I simply stated I wasn't a PvPer, then i went and tried some PvP, and reported back on what happened. I wasn't ranting about anything. I even complimented the PvP community on the reception I found.
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BS. I find the majority of trash talkers ARE the arena crowd. So often I hear "zone pvp scrubs, blah blah, cant pvp, meet me in arena get wrecked, blah blah."
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Originally Posted by Silver_Lobo
Nope. The Arena channel seems to have its own following of ...
But actual Arena PvP is handled very well in this game. (imo) |
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You would be peeved too if everytime you created a thread it is trolled by the same exact people. |
Originally Posted by Silver_Lobo
How is it the minority? I have read this thread completely and everytime someone says something you dont like, you throw a fit and immediatly start trash talking.
It is people like you that make people like me NOT want to PvP. |
And everytime someone says something that doesn't pertain to the original post, I defend it, or as you say "trash talk". Where do you people come from? Who do you know that just let's people say whatever they want to them and never defend themselves? We have a name for people like them.
I'm not the friggin president. If someone says something rude or irrelevant about my post I will respond accordingly, what would you have me do? Dude, you are unreal. Just take two seconds to think, go ahead. Say hmmmm, now does any of this make any sense to you?
Ares
Please
Don't.
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That's my reaction to you letting yourself get trolled and baited. Ignore them, even if it means hitting the magic button. You've put too much time into your guide to get into a flame war that will get an otherwise perfectly fine thread locked.
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Originally Posted by Zamuel
Ares
Please Don't. --- That's my reaction to you letting yourself get trolled and baited. Ignore them, even if it means hitting the magic button. You've put too much time into your guide to get into a flame war that will get an otherwise perfectly fine thread locked. |
Perfect. Best advice so far acting on it immediately.
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I am sure when you are around people talk trash. If they followed your example.|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
BS. I find the majority of trash talkers ARE the arena crowd. So often I hear "zone pvp scrubs, blah blah, cant pvp, meet me in arena get wrecked, blah blah."
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Your full of trash talk here on the forums. I imagine your the same ingame.
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For some people, the trash talking is the main reason. For me, it's only part of the reason, though it is one of the ones that will occur to me immediately when anyone asks if I want to PVP. In any case, good luck with your guide. Just because I don't like PVP doesn't mean no one else is allowed to enjoy it.|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Fair, will do. Until after this thread, I didn't realize that the main reason people stay away from pvp is the trash-talking environment, though it is a minority.
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*Edit* As far as trash-talking idiots in Atlas... Yes, I see them all the time. If I find them particularly offensive, I'll report them, then ignore them. Otherwise, if they don't shut up, I'll /ignore them. I am quite generous with bestowing the honor of /ignore. But in Atlas, I don't have to worry about one of those people sneaking up behind me and stabbing me in the head. In PVE, I don't have to interact with them in any way. And in at least two cases, I've actually left teams because of people like that. Even though it meant bailing out on friends that were still on the team. I *will not* interact with people like that. (In one case, when one of the jerks apparently realized that I must have /ignored him, he came up behind my character and did a custom "humping" emote. I didn't even take time to apologize to my friend before I hit "Quit Team.")
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This isn't a test of honour. The only thing you achieve by responding to taunts is derailing the thread more and more, thereby shooting yourself in the foot. Ignore it. Let people say what they will. It's the Internet. That's what happens. If you try to fight it every time, you'll never get anything done.|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
I'm not the friggin president. If someone says something rude or irrelevant about my post I will respond accordingly, what would you have me do? Dude, you are unreal. Just take two seconds to think, go ahead. Say hmmmm, now does any of this make any sense to you?
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Really, you don't want to engage in a Robowar.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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This is me. I don't farm and I don't solo AVs unless I'm taken by surprise (fighting a heroically pointless losing battle for 20 seconds max before faceplanting counts, right?
How on earth can you take my post as a rant? I simply stated I wasn't a PvPer, then i went and tried some PvP, and reported back on what happened. I wasn't ranting about anything. I even complimented the PvP community on the reception I found.
Eco.