Jack in Irons spawns


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What is the deal with finding a Jack in Irons spawn? Ever since the event went live I have been patrolling known spawn points (and adding new undocumented spawn sites on wiki). All I ever see is Eochai. Obviously the spawn is heavily weighted toward Eochai. My question is: Does Jack ever spawn spontaneously, or must players defeat Eochai some unknown number of times in a zone to trigger a Jack spawn? I think there's only been 2 Jack spawns blue-side on Justice since the event began, and I've spent A LOT of time patrolling all spawn sites checking. Is it random but just a much lower percentage, or is the only way I'm going to see him by getting a team and working a zone until he appears? A guess a follow-up rhetorical question would be why not 50/50? What do you suppose the reasoning here is? Has anybody heard any explanation for this?


 

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paragonwiki.com/wiki/Halloween_Event/Giant_Monsters

There will be a spawn of either Eochai or Jack in Irons in every zone in which the event is active. Once one is defeated, another of the two will spawn in the same zone within a minute or two. For each spawn, there is a 90% chance that it will be Eochai, and a 10% chance that it will be Jack in Irons. Additionally, Jack in Irons only spawns in level 20 and up zones.


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Ah, thx Zombie Man. Very first line of the article, I don't know how I missed that *facepalm*.


 

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
paragonwiki.com/wiki/Halloween_Event/Giant_Monsters

There will be a spawn of either Eochai or Jack in Irons in every zone in which the event is active. Once one is defeated, another of the two will spawn in the same zone within a minute or two. For each spawn, there is a 90% chance that it will be Eochai, and a 10% chance that it will be Jack in Irons. Additionally, Jack in Irons only spawns in level 20 and up zones.
Yup.

Practically speaking, it helps to to be on a persistent team willing to fan out and locate them as quickly as possible. As a matter of courtesy, multiple teams were invited to take on Jack so that everyone could benefit from the badge honor. I got my first JiI badge ever along with a team who wouldn't quit and worked at it.


 

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Originally Posted by Dr_Dositheus View Post
Does Jack ever spawn spontaneously, or must players defeat Eochai some unknown number of times in a zone to trigger a Jack spawn?
More directly, no, Jack will not spawn spontaneously. Check Zombie's link for more info.

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is the only way I'm going to see him by getting a team and working a zone until he appears?
Pretty much, or you if you have a decent tank, you can spend time taunting Eochai into the drones. I did this successfully after about 30 minutes in FF on my fire tank. Nearly missed the badge when a SG team came rushing in and attacked before the team I was collecting was all together.


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RNG issues aside though, you would think out of 14 possible zones for him to spawn in, he would be in one of them over half the time at least, but that hasn't been my experience. Probably because when he DOES show up, everybody rushes to beat him down, and just leaves Eochai there untouched until something despawns him...which leads me to a related question: When a "regular" GM spawns in the zone does the event GM despawn for the duration that regular GM is up? I ask because I'm combing Creys' Folly right now looking for undocumented spawn sites because there are no event GM spawns at any of the known locations, however, Jurassik is up. If this is true, maybe a good way to catch Jack would be to monitor regular GM spawns, wait for them to despawn, and then there would be a solid 10% chance that Jack would spawn.


 

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Nevermind, found him. He and Jurassik are both up simultaneously.


 

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Probably because when he DOES show up, everybody rushes to beat him down, and just leaves Eochai there untouched until something despawns him...
If it's in a well traveled zone, then yes, this is what happens. But I have found Jack in off zones at times. But other than player intervention, the only thing that's going to despawn Eochai or Jack is a server reset. And I don't believe that has happened in the past couple days.

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When a "regular" GM spawns in the zone does the event GM despawn for the duration that regular GM is up? I ask because I'm combing Creys' Folly right now looking for undocumented spawn sites because there are no event GM spawns at any of the known locations, however, Jurassik is up.
No, I've seen regular GMs in zone with Halloween GMs.

What server are you searching? If you find a location not on the ParagonWiki maps (*not* the Wikia site), type /loc when you're near the GM and post the numbers in this thread and I'll update the map.


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I have been adding locs, but to the wiki talk page not the forum thread : ) . I gave you the 2 new locations blue-side, the one in Eden and another one today in Creys'. I'm on Justice btw.


 

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Originally Posted by Dr_Dositheus View Post
I have been adding locs, but to the wiki talk page not the forum thread : ) . I gave you the 2 new locations blue-side, the one in Eden and another one today in Creys'. I'm on Justice btw.
That page is fine as well, as I've get email updates on those. I'll update in a second.

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Crey's Folly

I had already gotten your eden update.


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Well, I took your advice, got on my tank and droned him in FF. I got lucky, I only had to drone Eochai once to get the Jack spawn. I hurried up and switched back to my badger before I announced it in the global channels. Finally, the elusive Iron Warrior badge is mine!


 

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Conga Rats, big time.

I also do that with the characters I need the Unseelie badge with, though it's a bit trickier to pull Eochai and leave the Unseelies behind.


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So droning the GM still gives you the badge? Holy loopholes!!!


 

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So droning the GM still gives you the badge? Holy loopholes!!!
No -

Droning Eochai gets rid of him quicker to allow the chance for Jack to spawn.


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RNG issues aside though, you would think out of 14 possible zones for him to spawn in, he would be in one of them over half the time at least, but that hasn't been my experience.
ummm, no. With a spawn rate of 10%, the moment he shows, the players will take him down. That is not always the case for Eochai. I've seen people leave a zone rather than fight Eochai. The only want to get to get jack to show more is to kill Eochai.

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If this is true, maybe a good way to catch Jack would be to monitor regular GM spawns, wait for them to despawn, and then there would be a solid 10% chance that Jack would spawn.
The event spawns have nothing to do with the normal GM spawns.


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Droning Eochai gets rid of him quicker to allow the chance for Jack to spawn.
This.

You still need to get a team together and take down Jack in the normal fashion. Unless you have one of those GM killer builds .


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I was running around like a crazy person on Justice Saturday looking for Jack, blue side. It took seven Eco kills (we didn't drone it, but we had three full teams and I think one fourth one that was around half full by the last few, so... we were doing pretty well, even when the zombies decided to invade while we were hunting) the first time to get him up in Talos. Then went to Crey's Folly, where we got him after one downed Eco, and then four (or maybe five?) kills to get him in Founders.

(I wanted him on various toons, but I got bored of the scenery. )

I know he also spawned in Sharkhead while I was goofing around blue side. He's rare, but if you have a dedicated team (or even more luckily, two of em), he'll appear soon or a later. Weekends are good for it.


 

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ummm, no. With a spawn rate of 10%, the moment he shows, the players will take him down. That is not always the case for Eochai. I've seen people leave a zone rather than fight Eochai. The only want to get to get jack to show more is to kill Eochai.
Yes, but how many people go hunting for him in the Firebase Zulu, for example. It's entirely possible for Jack to spawn there after a server reset, and not be found for a day or more. That's exactly what has happen during the past couple years while I've been making the spawn site maps on the wiki. I've seen Jack sit there for a full day in Eden and in Striga because no one hunts for him in those zones.


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Droning Eochai gets rid of him quicker to allow the chance for Jack to spawn.
ahhh i see, awesome nonetheless!


 

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pulling Eochai into the drones until Jack in Irons spawns
You should keep in mind that this method would deprive you of the Reward Merits that multiple Eochais would drop. If you have a good debuffer or two on the team, I'd suggest killing the Eochais yourselves. Though I will admit that Iron Warrior is the kind of badge title that is extremely difficult to wait for.


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Okay, I've spent literally hours upon hours looking for this guy on the Freedom server mostly in Shark Head but also in Nerva and GV. On Sunday alone I spent over 6 hours looking for him. I have been on multiple teams and we have scoured those zones until my eyes went blurry from staring at the monitor. Still no sign of Jack, only Eochai. How is it that a character that has a 1 in 10 chance of showing has not popped his head out once in hundreds of kills? (We killed Eochai every time we saw him).


 

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The other night on Virtue, a few teams in Sharkhead spent quite a while trying to get Jack to spawn. Finally after close to an hour, he was spotted. Everyone rushed to him and took him out in short order, relieved to finally get the badge. On the very next spawn cycle, guess who spawned again. It was truely a forehead-slapping moment.


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Okay, I've spent literally hours upon hours looking for this guy on the Freedom server mostly in Shark Head but also in Nerva and GV. On Sunday alone I spent over 6 hours looking for him. I have been on multiple teams and we have scoured those zones until my eyes went blurry from staring at the monitor. Still no sign of Jack, only Eochai. How is it that a character that has a 1 in 10 chance of showing has not popped his head out once in hundreds of kills? (We killed Eochai every time we saw him).
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because it is not a one in ten spawns chance of jack appearing, it is a 10% chance that when you down Eochi you will get a Jack spawn.

It is possible, but also improbable, that you could never get lucky and always be in the 90% chance that he will not spawn.

The odds do not roll over to the next defeat of Pumpkin Head and so somehow increase the 10% chance to spawn Jack.

You could get Jack everytime in theory. Persevere and you will get him, soon I hope

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The other night on Virtue, a few teams in Sharkhead spent quite a while trying to get Jack to spawn. Finally after close to an hour, he was spotted. Everyone rushed to him and took him out in short order, relieved to finally get the badge. On the very next spawn cycle, guess who spawned again. It was truely a forehead-slapping moment.
Like all random events in this game, that is common. One night last week I got on in Talos and a few groups were running, claiming they'd spent hours going for Jack. He spawned 8 times in the next hour, with several back to back spawnings. I was on about 2.5 hours that night, not consecutively, and I was on various teams who took him out 18 times in Talos that night.

It's rare for me to run Eochai for an hour and not see Jack at least once, but it does happen, particularly if I'm the only team running. I've personally never seen these 3 hour type runs where at least one team is consistently killing Eochai, although it isn't hard to believe with the 'bunched up' nature of our RNG.

What I do see is a lot of people who only want Jack, aren't willing to run Eochai, and then complain that Jack doesn't spawn enough!


 

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Hi,
because it is not a one in ten spawns chance of jack appearing, it is a 10% chance that when you down Eochi you will get a Jack spawn.

It is possible, but also improbable, that you could never get lucky and always be in the 90% chance that he will not spawn.

The odds do not roll over to the next defeat of Pumpkin Head and so somehow increase the 10% chance to spawn Jack.

You could get Jack everytime in theory. Persevere and you will get him, soon I hope

Cheers
I'm aware of this it's just frustrating to go on a 2 to 6 hour bender and not see him once. I've done this every day this week for at least 2 hours at a time and still no sign. Btw, if you're on Freedom the toon I've been playing is Sourpuss. (with a .) feel free to say hi and lend a hand.