Ugly duckling for the defender sets!?!?!?!?!?
One of the best, most appreciated on these here forums you mean.
And I get all warm and fuzzy when a dark def shows up on my team.
Don't let one random pugs lack of vocal support dissuade you.
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In my experience, that's an anomoly. Those two ATs are almost never praised (along with Scrappers), whereas the Defender/Trollers/Tanks are usually overly praised.|
Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
Heya guys. I am just now getting deep into playing a defender. I am usually tanking or scrapping. I built a Dark/Elec defender up to 28 so far and it's been nice. These days I find myself on a team full of defenders and controller so no one really stands out. Last night I finally found myself being the only defender along side 1 troller, a few blasters, scrappers, and a tank. We did really good. I was a bit bothered when I found the Tank saying "Good job blasters." Also, "nice controlling"
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Chalk it up to an odd team, of sorts. I guarantee you that Dark Defenders get their fair share of the praise, and most experienced players (the ones at least worth playing with) know exactly how awesome that set is.
Dark Defenders have a lot of control powers. Notice the quote is "Nice controlling," not "Good job Controllers." Maybe he or she was including your body of work in that compliment.
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Naw, they went on to say they loved the pretty purple rocks the earth troller was using. LOL!|
Originally Posted by Sailboat
Dark Defenders have a lot of control powers. Notice the quote is "Nice controlling," not "Good job Controllers." Maybe he or she was including your body of work in that compliment.
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And maybe I did come across an odd PuG. Since the last double exp weekend I have been on teams full of trollers and defenders. Though we dont wipe, it's a slow time. Mid 20s with that kind of team is a bit of a drag lol.
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I have a story for you that, Hopefully, will make you feel better about your choice of Dark Miasma. My first team with a Dark Defender (Years Ago) was when I was playing a blaster and we were doing some low level missions (I think we were all in the low teens) and we were doing very well. We arrived at a new door mission and our DD announced he needed an afk (Bio most likely). The Team Lead went off to face the first group with several others in tow. I said in chat, Hey (So-and-So is afk). I got an LOL response and they pulled the room. Not being very careful they pulled more than one group. Everyone was doing what they could, but folks were dropping like flies. At some point our Dark Defender must have come back and realized that we were in trouble and he rushed into the fray.|
Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
Heya guys. I am just now getting deep into playing a defender. I am usually tanking or scrapping. I built a Dark/Elec defender up to 28 so far and it's been nice. These days I find myself on a team full of defenders and controller so no one really stands out. Last night I finally found myself being the only defender along side 1 troller, a few blasters, scrappers, and a tank. We did really good. I was a bit bothered when I found the Tank saying "Good job blasters." Also, "nice controlling" I was like....WT F I did some work in there too. So with evil intent, the next mish i sat back a while and didn't do much of anything. Next thing you know it was "Where's the tar patch?" and "Man that was close we almost wiped" Then when I got back on my job we were solid again. No good jobs there.
I know Dark Miasma isn't the most showy up in your face noticeable defender primary out there, but c'mon. Now, I know I CHOSE to be the ugly duckling for the defender set, but sometimes it's just messed up that the Dark Miasma set isn't as appreciated. Probably my last defender I roll. probably. I have one other defender, but i almost get tired of people depending soley on my emp to carry the team. I find my self being next to the tank as far as survivability when i use other sets so I don't expect a defender to babysit me. My GF has a fire/kin and people are always begging for the SB. She gets annoyed because she has alot going on and people are always bugging about it when she tries to divvy it out as much as possible. Anyways, I love Dark Miasma. I I guess I like being different. |
To make a long story short, he rezzed everyone after piling our bodies in a heap and what was surely going to be a Total team-wipe turned into a complete turn of fortune and a win.
I am sure I was not the only person that was impressed by what a Darkie could do.
I assure you that from that point on if he (Our DD) went afk, everyone waited
In fact, I was so impressed by the Dark arsenal that my next characters were (in order);
Dark-Energy, Dark-Electric, Dark-Dark. I had to try em all and see how this GEM of a powerset played.
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i think what I come to realize is that most of the people out there are playing basically what they assume most people want or maybe more showy or CoH Cliche builds. Because when i tell you guys that Dark Miasma is underrated or something to that degree then you say "Huh? What are you talking about?" LOL! Before i tried Dark Miasma myself I was just telling a team that it was underrated, thus I had to roll one myself. And so far, I'm liking it.
I love playing defenders and my latest, a dark/dark gets the most verbal appreciation. Especially for Howling Twilight. Come on! Mass rez, debuff, and damage?? Best rez power in the game!
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Yeah, I got to use this on a massive near team wipe in the caves. People were wondering how everyone got up with no mezz and wiped the baddies up. I got to brag finally.
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Originally Posted by mintmiki
I love playing defenders and my latest, a dark/dark gets the most verbal appreciation. Especially for Howling Twilight. Come on! Mass rez, debuff, and damage?? Best rez power in the game!
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You need to make your powers all purple and fluffy... then maybe you will get some gawddamn respect!
Seriously though, when I play my DDD, I never expect much thanks- most people dont realize how much darks do for a team, and just say "nice heals" to the aura rockers.
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It can be, depending on who the trollers are, how they are slotted, and if the Defenders are actually Defenders or "healers".|
Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
Naw, they went on to say they loved the pretty purple rocks the earth troller was using. LOL!
And maybe I did come across an odd PuG. Since the last double exp weekend I have been on teams full of trollers and defenders. Though we dont wipe, it's a slow time. Mid 20s with that kind of team is a bit of a drag lol. |
Ten levels later and that team is flying through stuff, though.
Because if you're not SB'ing the Granite tank, and causing large green numbers to float up endlessly, you aren't a "real" defender.
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You did NOT just diss Dark Miasma.
I know a "thanks" is nice here and there, but as a debuffing set like that you won't hear much from anyone until you meet the dude with common sense who knows how powerful debuffs are (or you get the idiot who comments on your healing from Twilight Grasp).
In a team of people where everyone is (to them) doing their job someone often pipes up "good heals". It's probably in the Tanks humour to commend everyone else for a change.
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Most players don't realize the bosses are debuffed and the mobs are slowed unless they are really paying attention. Every once in a while I'll get a tell saying "nice debuff" but usually all you hear is "that boss/AV sure went down quick" which is enough for me.
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....Try being a blaster. It's amazingly rare if you hear someone praise a blaster. |
Originally Posted by Peterbilt
Most players don't realize the bosses are debuffed and the mobs are slowed unless they are really paying attention. Every once in a while I'll get a tell saying "nice debuff" but usually all you hear is "that boss/AV sure went down quick" which is enough for me.
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In my experience, Defender's expect that sort of thing more than everyone else. That may just be me, though. I do try to go out of my way to praise those that don't normally get it, like Scrappers. Tanks always get at least a tell from me, and usually a friend request (I have a special place in my heart for quality tanks).
Come to think about it, I never, ever praise heals. In my mind, I live and die by myself. I have respites and other munchies. If I get a heal, in my mind, it's just bonus. It doesn't change anything for me.
I will praise defenders/trollers on a particular team that is really moving well, because it is usually their powers making that happen.
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Clearly this is your problem right here. You didn't make your powers FABULOUS enough!
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Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
Naw, they went on to say they loved the pretty purple rocks the earth troller was using. LOL!
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Welcome to being a Defender. Our job IS the thankless one. Just be comforted in the fact that you made the team awesome. That should be good enough for you.
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to tell you the truth, i dont support these "praise and hurt pride" threads that are abound. They are usually full of dramatics looking for the attention they feel they deserve. And those who issue their sympathy just feeds right into their need for attention and praise.....|
Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
Heya guys. I am just now getting deep into playing a defender. I am usually tanking or scrapping. I built a Dark/Elec defender up to 28 so far and it's been nice. These days I find myself on a team full of defenders and controller so no one really stands out. Last night I finally found myself being the only defender along side 1 troller, a few blasters, scrappers, and a tank. We did really good. I was a bit bothered when I found the Tank saying "Good job blasters." Also, "nice controlling" I was like....WT F I did some work in there too. So with evil intent, the next mish i sat back a while and didn't do much of anything. Next thing you know it was "Where's the tar patch?" and "Man that was close we almost wiped" Then when I got back on my job we were solid again. No good jobs there.
I know Dark Miasma isn't the most showy up in your face noticeable defender primary out there, but c'mon. Now, I know I CHOSE to be the ugly duckling for the defender set, but sometimes it's just messed up that the Dark Miasma set isn't as appreciated. Probably my last defender I roll. probably. I have one other defender, but i almost get tired of people depending soley on my emp to carry the team. I find my self being next to the tank as far as survivability when i use other sets so I don't expect a defender to babysit me. My GF has a fire/kin and people are always begging for the SB. She gets annoyed because she has alot going on and people are always bugging about it when she tries to divvy it out as much as possible. Anyways, I love Dark Miasma. I I guess I like being different. |
Ya know, i usually dont get praise for what i do, but it dont matter cuz i know i kick ***. Playing ANY AT in order to get praise from strangers is the most immature and moronic things ive ever heard.... i.e. - dedicated healer threads
Now, Dark Miasma DOES get it worse than others do, because of their -TO HIT damage mitigation powers. NO ONE will ever notice its effects, unless it was wrapped around them like a shield buff. I used to run Darks like CRAZY and rarely got praise. But at least rarely did my team get hurt or pwned up. In fact, i barely ever had to heal lol. That, they did notice. You can call Dark Miasma cone debuffs as the "Ninja damage mitigators". Your Fear cone is ridiculous when its -ACC slotted. Your other damage cones are good stacks w/ that too, of course w/ Darkest Night. Really, you got so much -ACC, your damage cones dont need to be -ACC slotted. They'll still stack up enough, but do more damage.
You're AFK/Holding out method is a classic technique to get the team to realize your contribution. Ive done it quite few times myself when i see players get too reckless and you're tired of bending over backwards covering for them or saving them from excessive death. Sometimes you need to give teammates some humble pie to recognize how your contributions directly affect them, and to quit being stupid or reckless in their actions....
Defenders and Controllers tend to be praised beyond what they deserve, and in turn come to take it for granted. Think of this as a learning opportunity, and try to appreciate the contributions of other players, too.
I rolled a Dark/Sonic because I wanted a solid team contributor that can solo decently as well (I HATE powersets that can't solo)
I fully expect that on PuGs, my contribution will go largely unnoticed. That's okay though, I know what I did.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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I usually make a point of commending sharp play when I recognize it, and have in the past singled out brave or competent Blasters. It's my belief that praise should be true (most people are usually just embarrassed by false praise) and as specific as you can make it -- general praise is nice, but it doesn't indicate I really noticed the person's actions, I might just be buttering people up. So I'll use things like "Good job holding all the mezzers early in the fight" or "Great timing on that [power], just when we needed it!" and stuff like that.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
....Try being a blaster. It's amazingly rare if you hear someone praise a blaster.
In my experience, Defender's expect that sort of thing more than everyone else. That may just be me, though. I do try to go out of my way to praise those that don't normally get it, like Scrappers. Tanks always get at least a tell from me, and usually a friend request (I have a special place in my heart for quality tanks). |
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I feel the same way. Praises are overrated. Play your best and have fun.
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Originally Posted by PHlRE
Ya know, i usually dont get praise for what i do, but it dont matter cuz i know i kick ***.
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Whoa whoa for those of you who think I am playing the I need sympathy role. I'm just saying in comparison to the other defender sets Dark miasma get easily overlooked and some people throw the praises at the one ff defender and not the beastly slotted scrap or the dark defender. I come from a long list of thankless toons who are beasts. Just so happens I rolled a dark defender which I am proud of by the way. I know my worth. Last night we we fighting some annoying Malta and someone made the comment "that went rather fast". I knew why but I didn't jump in and say "oh oh that was all me dude!". Lol.
Heya guys. I am just now getting deep into playing a defender. I am usually tanking or scrapping. I built a Dark/Elec defender up to 28 so far and it's been nice. These days I find myself on a team full of defenders and controller so no one really stands out. Last night I finally found myself being the only defender along side 1 troller, a few blasters, scrappers, and a tank. We did really good. I was a bit bothered when I found the Tank saying "Good job blasters." Also, "nice controlling" I was like....WT F I did some work in there too. So with evil intent, the next mish i sat back a while and didn't do much of anything. Next thing you know it was "Where's the tar patch?" and "Man that was close we almost wiped" Then when I got back on my job we were solid again. No good jobs there.
I know Dark Miasma isn't the most showy up in your face noticeable defender primary out there, but c'mon. Now, I know I CHOSE to be the ugly duckling for the defender set, but sometimes it's just messed up that the Dark Miasma set isn't as appreciated. Probably my last defender I roll. probably. I have one other defender, but i almost get tired of people depending soley on my emp to carry the team. I find my self being next to the tank as far as survivability when i use other sets so I don't expect a defender to babysit me. My GF has a fire/kin and people are always begging for the SB. She gets annoyed because she has alot going on and people are always bugging about it when she tries to divvy it out as much as possible.
Anyways, I love Dark Miasma. I I guess I like being different.