The thankless Defender
The only compliment I hope to hear when I'm on a team is "nice costume!"
This is now the compliment of choice I will be looking for ---> Wow
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Defenders and Controllers tend to be praised beyond what they deserve, and in turn come to take it for granted. Think of this as a learning opportunity, and try to appreciate the contributions of other players, too.
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since when do a scrapper get praise for going mob to mob and kill?
How about flipping it around.... how much praise do you give to your teammates?
i try to find things that are praiseworthy.... good tanking/herding, blaster timing nuke w/ a def's -resist debuff, kin sticking to SB, shielder keeping shields layered, scrappers taking down mobs who are melee'ing a blaster......
You do your share of praise-giving to your teammates and you harbor an environment where other's feel comfortable and may go out of their way to show their appreciation back..... give up the ME ME ME pleas.......
AMEN to that!
since when do a scrapper get praise for going mob to mob and kill? How about flipping it around.... how much praise do you give to your teammates? i try to find things that are praiseworthy.... good tanking/herding, blaster timing nuke w/ a def's -resist debuff, kin sticking to SB, shielder keeping shields layered, scrappers taking down mobs who are melee'ing a blaster...... You do your share of praise-giving to your teammates and you harbor an environment where other's feel comfortable and may go out of their way to show their appreciation back..... give up the ME ME ME pleas....... |
I talk about the few numb nuts who only give the praises to the one or two folks with the glowie powers thats holding or healing. Don't talk to me like I'm some dummy running the streets of paragon for the praise. If I misinterpretted you comments then i apologize, but don't talk all that garbage. I AM A TANK AND A SCRAPPER FIRST. So I know first hand about the praises and thankless jobs.
Don't come on here lookin for the "Amen" and all that crap because you thought you comment was tight.
REMEMBER I NORMALLY PLAY SCRAPS AND TANKS!
To Laevatein and Phire....Go F yourself. Don't come in here talking like you know the whole situation or like you know me and like you know I never give praise where it's due. People like you annoy me HERE on the forum because your word is the end all be all. I give praise to a team, because all the "cogs" have to do their job in order to get the mish done.
I talk about the few numb nuts who only give the praises to the one or two folks with the glowie powers thats holding or healing. Don't talk to me like I'm some dummy running the streets of paragon for the praise. If I misinterpretted you comments then i apologize, but don't talk all that garbage. I AM A TANK AND A SCRAPPER FIRST. So I know first hand about the praises and thankless jobs. Don't come on here lookin for the "Amen" and all that crap because you thought you comment was tight. REMEMBER I NORMALLY PLAY SCRAPS AND TANKS! |
To Laevatein and Phire....Go F yourself. Don't come in here talking like you know the whole situation or like you know me and like you know I never give praise where it's due. People like you annoy me HERE on the forum because your word is the end all be all. I give praise to a team, because all the "cogs" have to do their job in order to get the mish done.
I talk about the few numb nuts who only give the praises to the one or two folks with the glowie powers thats holding or healing. Don't talk to me like I'm some dummy running the streets of paragon for the praise. If I misinterpretted you comments then i apologize, but don't talk all that garbage. I AM A TANK AND A SCRAPPER FIRST. So I know first hand about the praises and thankless jobs. Don't come on here lookin for the "Amen" and all that crap because you thought you comment was tight. REMEMBER I NORMALLY PLAY SCRAPS AND TANKS! |
If you are not "some dummy running the streets of paragon for the praise", why are you so worked up about not getting it, then? You even decided not to use your powers just to show them. Your behavior deserves neither sympathy nor praise.
I do agree that Dark is badly underrated in the popular opinion.
Whoa whoa for those of you who think I am playing the I need sympathy role. |
You're making me agree with Phire, and I hate doing that.
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I think some of you have mistaken this thread as a whine fest. I don't like to do that whole thing. When I posted the thread of course I know there would be some opposition to a degree. BUT you can't say that you play on a team and you never once thought to yourself, "Man, I was doing my thing back there an no one noticed." I'm not saying I should be the one getting all the praises and parades and stuff, but sometimes when THEY (not you because you would NEVER do that) single out one person on the team for a kudos it's like....didn't that scrapper just AoE the hell out of that mob? Didn't that blaster do some serious blastage? And I was talking in particular about Dark/. I was pointing out how underrated it was. If you thought I wanted a pity party then save it. In general I wanted basically say "Dark Miasma is a beast? Why don't more people notice?" I hate it when you have a few party poopers who misinterpret some statements and turn it around to be something it really wasn't.
I think some of you have mistaken this thread as a whine fest. I don't like to do that whole thing. When I posted the thread of course I know there would be some opposition to a degree. BUT you can't say that you play on a team and you never once thought to yourself, "Man, I was doing my thing back there an no one noticed." I'm not saying I should be the one getting all the praises and parades and stuff, but sometimes when THEY (not you because you would NEVER do that) single out one person on the team for a kudos it's like....didn't that scrapper just AoE the hell out of that mob? Didn't that blaster do some serious blastage? And I was talking in particular about Dark/. I was pointing out how underrated it was. If you thought I wanted a pity party then save it. In general I wanted basically say "Dark Miasma is a beast? Why don't more people notice?" I hate it when you have a few party poopers who misinterpret some statements and turn it around to be something it really wasn't.
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I think some of you have mistaken this thread as a whine fest. I don't like to do that whole thing. When I posted the thread of course I know there would be some opposition to a degree. BUT you can't say that you play on a team and you never once thought to yourself, "Man, I was doing my thing back there an no one noticed." I'm not saying I should be the one getting all the praises and parades and stuff, but sometimes when THEY (not you because you would NEVER do that) single out one person on the team for a kudos it's like....didn't that scrapper just AoE the hell out of that mob? Didn't that blaster do some serious blastage? And I was talking in particular about Dark/. I was pointing out how underrated it was. If you thought I wanted a pity party then save it. In general I wanted basically say "Dark Miasma is a beast? Why don't more people notice?" I hate it when you have a few party poopers who misinterpret some statements and turn it around to be something it really wasn't.
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You might want to consider that your original post did not sound like a general observation about Dark Miasma, but instead more like this:
Heya guys. I am just now getting deep into playing a defender. I am usually tanking or scrapping. I built a Dark/Elec defender up to 28 so far and it's been nice. These days I find myself on a team full of defenders and controller so no one really stands out. Last night I finally found myself being the only defender along side 1 troller, a few blasters, scrappers, and a tank. We did really good. I was a bit bothered when I found the Tank saying "Good job blasters." Also, "nice controlling" I was like....WT F I did some work in there too. So with evil intent, the next mish i sat back a while and didn't do much of anything. Next thing you know it was "Where's the tar patch?" and "Man that was close we almost wiped" Then when I got back on my job we were solid again. No good jobs there.
I know Dark Miasma isn't the most showy up in your face noticeable defender primary out there, but c'mon. Now, I know I CHOSE to be the ugly duckling for the defender set, but sometimes it's just messed up that the Dark Miasma set isn't as appreciated. Probably my last defender I roll. probably. I have one other defender, but i almost get tired of people depending soley on my emp to carry the team. I find my self being next to the tank as far as survivability when i use other sets so I don't expect a defender to babysit me. My GF has a fire/kin and people are always begging for the SB. She gets annoyed because she has alot going on and people are always bugging about it when she tries to divvy it out as much as possible. Anyways, I love Dark Miasma. I I guess I like being different. |
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
SRS BZNS rite here!
You started a thread. About the unsympathetic treatment your teammates gave you. Apparently something about the situation caused you to create a conversation among a group of people you expected to support you.
You're making me agree with Phire, and I hate doing that. |
you guys are turning into this into the Thread of da month!
<----serving cheese w/ the wine thread
Siiiiigh. This thread has taken a turn for the worst. As they often do in these forums. I should've known.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
Well, the more veteran players usually know what's up, even if they don't say thanks per se. They're usually the ones who say, "Yay a dark!" when I join.
I say that all the time.
Seriously, I do. Case in point: I ran a Katie Hannon TF a few months back on Champion. It was a group I hadn't done too much with before - they put out a call for people to play in a static team and it sounded like fun so I signed up. Anyway, I was tanking for them and we had a pickup person who was offering to play either a Dark or an Empath and didn't seem to really much mind which. I immediately pushed for the Dark. A teammate of mine from the static group was perplexed and asked me why.
I explained, in brief, about all that Dark brings to a team. That added to the fact that we already had an Empath on board made it an easy choice from my perspective, but she didn't seem convinced.
After one of the best, smoothest Katies I'd done to date (the only person to die was me when the witches sapped me on some of the Mary ambushes), she wasn't so dubious any more about the wisdom of including a Dark def.
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Personally, I agree with Phire. I understand that getting recognition for doing something good is nice and when other people on your team are getting praise but you aren't it can get you down a little, but it seems to me like you have this need to show off and act like you're the sole reason the team you're on is doing so well, which might be true, but it's still a pretty crummy attitude to have. There's no I in TEAM after all
And ceasing to do anything just to show the team how vital you are not only seems petty to me, but downright immature. My point is, if YOU know you're doing a good job then that's all that should really matter, right? Don't put so much value into the opinions of people you don't know over the internet. All that does is get you worked up and telling people to "go F themselves"
I say that all the time.
Seriously, I do. Case in point: I ran a Katie Hannon TF a few months back on Champion. It was a group I hadn't done too much with before - they put out a call for people to play in a static team and it sounded like fun so I signed up. Anyway, I was tanking for them and we had a pickup person who was offering to play either a Dark or an Empath and didn't seem to really much mind which. I immediately pushed for the Dark. A teammate of mine from the static group was perplexed and asked me why. I explained, in brief, about all that Dark brings to a team. That added to the fact that we already had an Empath on board made it an easy choice from my perspective, but she didn't seem convinced. After one of the best, smoothest Katies I'd done to date (the only person to die was me when the witches sapped me on some of the Mary ambushes), she wasn't so dubious any more about the wisdom of including a Dark def. |
no wonder it went well, they're teh best for the 1st mission....
Shadows Fall - 20% NRG resist pbaoe toggle
Tar Patch - -Resist/-Slow location debuff
Fearsome Stare - awsome -ACC/Fear cone
Darkest Night - -Damage/-ACC toggle on AV
doesnt get better for that situation....
Dark's always been one of my favorite Defender sets since my Dark/Dark Def back in Beta. Later on he was converted to a Corruptor, but I agree, you certainly get no attention. I don't really mind though, in fact, my Dark/Dark actually never spoke at first, (he's a robot) and eventually I would have him say, at the most, "This unit is just following its programming" or the like when thanked.
I have a story similar to Biospark's, though. I'd gotten into a PUG doing an outdoor mission, and was just following along doing my job. Which is basically holding down foes with Tentacles and debuffing them and then blasting away, since this was the Corruptor version. At one point, however, the pulls got out of control, and the tanking Brute went down. There were cries of "RUN!" and most folks started falling.
I ran straight into the middle of the group and started herding them, getting them back into my Darkest Night. I didn't have my rez yet (I think I was maybe 20 at the time, didn't have Fearsome Stare either) but could hold the aggro by firing off Twilight Grasp constantly. (Which I had never even used prior to that point since no one was taking any damage) After I locked everything down with a couple of cycles of Tentacles and Night Fall, the Brute realized he could rez himself and rejoined the fray. I hit him with a Twilight Grasp to make sure he was back up to speed and we cleaned up the spawn.
I only got one reaction, which was "Wow."