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The KLF cruiser was in the car-park of my local PC-world once, I thought it odd because I live in the UK so an old US police-car is strange enough, but then I saw the Illumaniti-boombox logo and quietly though to myself "Kallisti!"


 

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Yes, that Captain Jack

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Well all in all, Torchwood is not up for streaming in Netflix so I'll have to find some onther way to watch it. Same goes for S4 of Doctor, and all of Sarah Jane. Perhaps if I can somehow meddle with proxi servers I may be able to stream it from the BBC site... are all seasons available for streaming in their site?
The BBC only keeps stuff up for about a week usually, so no Torchwood there unfortunately. Maybe Great Beyond can hook you up with something


 

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The only tricks up my sleeve are either trying youtube (a hit or miss proposition) or finding a torrent somewhere. Although, if youre watching through netflix, coudlnt you get the disks through the mail? Or is that too 20th Century for you? (:


 

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The only tricks up my sleeve are either trying youtube (a hit or miss proposition) or finding a torrent somewhere.
I guess I picked option T.

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Although, if youre watching through netflix, coudlnt you get the disks through the mail? Or is that too 20th Century for you? (:
Yes, it is. Heck, torrents are too 2008 for me. I like streaming much better, and happens to be legal most of the time. Go figure! I would not pirate stuff if it was more readily available in legal form!

But that's a topic for another day. I think I will finish watching S3 without touching Torchwood and then start downloading, not sure if I'll try to catch up the first two seasons of Torchwood before jumping onto S4, though. Now that I know the Captain is in Torchwood though i got to ask: is he there since episode 1 or he joins in mid season?


 

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Since Episode 1
Well, since it was in BBC promotional info at the time, I'll go ahead and tell you.
Captain Jack runs the Cardiff branch of Torchwood, aka Torchwood 3.
It takes place after the Dalek/Cyberman battles at the end of Season 2.


 

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Add this to the list of episodes I'll never forget:

Human Nature/The Family Blood.

I almost cried on that one. I would had had it not been for the sudden mood change and cheery nature of the Doctor once he was back.


 

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Yeah, I think we all agree that that is a highlight

Edit: Also, remember next up... don't blink.


 

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Yeah, Family of Blood - where you learn that you never **** with a Time Lord!

Geeze, at this rate you'll be all caught up any time now. Cant wait to see how the end of Utopia works for someone who doesnt know the mythology of the series. . . .


 

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Yeah, Family of Blood - where you learn that you never **** with a Time Lord!
Oh it was not that that got me, it was the doctor's human fear of death and that entire loss process.

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Geeze, at this rate you'll be all caught up any time now. Cant wait to see how the end of Utopia works for someone who doesnt know the mythology of the series. . .

Well, finished watching Season 3 last night was not able to stop after seeing the cliffhanger in Utopia.

Although I’m not deep in the Who lore yet, I did research a bit on the old foes and knew already about The Master, although didn’t know anything about his personality other than he being the doctor’s nemesis.

The story was darn epic but what really got me was the end of the universe and how it all played out. I got way too shocked with their vision and still trying to reconstruct in my head WHAT happens there once that ship takes off, mainly because I guess/hope the event gets revisited at some point.

So far what I understand about the end of time:
All galaxies collapse, all stars burned out, and reality itself collapse. The universe is just dark space of some sort, hard to guess off what given how reality was already noted to have collapsed. All that seems left are floating rocks. This specific planet still has oxygen and somehow hosts more than just humans, it also hosts this other sharp teeth humanoids and we see very limited plant life so the end of the universe is not that final.

The last remnants of humanity in this planet get a signal from somewhere and call it Utopia and decide to just go there. With the help of the doctor they do, they make it, but once there… it’s not what they expected. Whatever happens there is not clear but obviously it’s not what they expected. I take it food supplies are entirely exhausted and they resort to cannibalism. Somehow they degrees into child-like mentality and somehow they get themselves into these spheres. The Master goes there and offers them an escape, and something is still going there as they fear some shadows that are coming. WHAT happened there is what still disturbs me.

Googling a bit seems that “galaxy collapse” means black hole, but that does not explain much.

So yea, that entire concept is still tickling the back of my head.

I got this from the wiki’s plot summary:
When they open it up, they discover that the Toclafane are humans from the year 100 trillion, who, having attempted to reach Utopia and finding nothing but darkness, became insane in their search to outlive the universe and cannibalized themselves to become the child-like bio-mechanical Toclafane.
But if utopia was just darkness…. what sent the signal? The Master? And what shadows were coming for them?


As for other points of the ending of the show:

Not entirely sold on The Face of Boe being the Captain. I mean, the guy is growing old but from growing old to being just a big head… I started hunting a bit of discussions on this and they sort of agreed with what I thought: perhaps the energy keeping him alive was not endless and the little that was left was sacrificed to save that planet… then the discussion shifted to a spoiler I can no longer unread so I stopped before I messed things further for myself. Still… how on earth could he become a huge head…

Anyways, it may fit but still is hard to buy.

As for the end… since when can the doctor power up with the power of positive thinking? Again the side really describes it as psychic energy being channeled to him but can that actually re-power the doctor?

Oh and saw the children in need special with the other doctor. Felt more like the actors talking than the actual character’s though, how the new doctor was telling the old that he was his doctor.


 

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As for the end… since when can the doctor power up with the power of positive thinking? Again the side really describes it as psychic energy being channeled to him but can that actually re-power the doctor?
The Doctor (and all Time Lords) are inherently psychic to one degree or another. In the Doctor it normally manifests in empathy and understanding of motivations, but at times he uses it for more profound examination (The Girl in the Fireplace, Fear Her). In the Master it manifests in profound magnetism that he normally uses as mesmerism or will domination.

The ArcAngel network magnified that ability to allow him to subjugate the population, at first by instilling trust, then later by feeding off their fear and channeling it back. The Doctor co-opted that passive energy when it was 'aimed' at him, and when most of the population was layering the power of their will on top of it.

Time Lords and their ability to regenerate is inherent, but can be smoothed over by outside sources of energy (usually a TARDIS). In this case, the Psychic energy reversed the changes inflicted on him by the Master.

In short, the "positive thinking" was just the focus of the latent energy of humanity. The Network was the conduit, and the Time Lords were the amplifier.


"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill

 

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So far what I understand about the end of time:
All galaxies collapse, all stars burned out, and reality itself collapse. The universe is just dark space of some sort, hard to guess off what given how reality was already noted to have collapsed. All that seems left are floating rocks. This specific planet still has oxygen and somehow hosts more than just humans, it also hosts this other sharp teeth humanoids and we see very limited plant life so the end of the universe is not that final.
It’s actually based on a theorised ending of our universe. The idea goes that eventually all the energy in the universe will be used up. It’s called “Heat death”. Here’s a Wiki article on it.
I got the impression that Chantho’s planet was one of the few remaining barely habitable places remaining and it was pretty much just their technology that was allowing humans to survive.

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Googling a bit seems that “galaxy collapse” means black hole, but that does not explain much.
This is another part of an end of our universe theory. Basically the idea is that will be an event called “The big crunch” this could possibly then compress all matter until it had the explode, creating a new Big Bang and a brand new universe. Wiki link.

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Not entirely sold on The Face of Boe being the Captain. I mean, the guy is growing old but from growing old to being just a big head… I started hunting a bit of discussions on this and they sort of agreed with what I thought: perhaps the energy keeping him alive was not endless and the little that was left was sacrificed to save that planet… then the discussion shifted to a spoiler I can no longer unread so I stopped before I messed things further for myself. Still… how on earth could he become a huge head…
Awww, what was your spoiler?
Anyway, I think the idea is that we have no idea what a billions of years old human would look like... I mean, humans already change a lot when they get older, lose hair, skin becomes loose, body starts to break down. Imagine that but not dying... my guess is, eventually his body just deteriorated into nothing.
Also, aging effects DNA too, so maybe it cause him to continue to mutate.

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As for the end… since when can the doctor power up with the power of positive thinking? Again the side really describes it as psychic energy being channeled to him but can that actually re-power the doctor?
Yeah, we don’t know either, just nod and try not think about that one too much

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Oh and saw the children in need special with the other doctor. Felt more like the actors talking than the actual character’s though, how the new doctor was telling the old that he was his doctor.
Children in Need is what it is really. Can’t criticise a charity episode too much


 

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It’s actually based on a theorised ending of our universe. The idea goes that eventually all the energy in the universe will be used up. It’s called “Heat death”. Here’s a Wiki article on it.
Hmmm... as long as there are atoms that can be split how would all energy trully be used up? (I'll read through that wiki later)

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This is another part of an end of our universe theory. Basically the idea is that will be an event called “The big crunch” this could possibly then compress all matter until it had the explode, creating a new Big Bang and a brand new universe. Wiki link.
Yea I heard that one before.


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Awww, what was your spoiler?
That rose shows up in Season 4.

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Anyway, I think the idea is that we have no idea what a billions of years old human would look like... I mean, humans already change a lot when they get older, lose hair, skin becomes loose, body starts to break down. Imagine that but not dying... my guess is, eventually his body just deteriorated into nothing.
Also, aging effects DNA too, so maybe it cause him to continue to mutate.
Hmm, perhaps. I guess it may be revisited at some point.


 

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That rose shows up in Season 4.
If that's all, you won't have had too much spoiled


 

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Hmmm... as long as there are atoms that can be split how would all energy trully be used up? (I'll read through that wiki later)
Technically, the Doctor already saved the Universe from Heat Death once.

Died doing so, though.

He got better.



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If that's all, you won't have had too much spoiled
In a discussion about the Thardis soul energy and how her showing up proved *STOPPED READING* all relative to The Face of Boe


 

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Oh and saw the children in need special with the other doctor. Felt more like the actors talking than the actual character’s though, how the new doctor was telling the old that he was his doctor.
Yeah, it pretty much was just a love letter to the past - and you know, I'm okay with that. It was a fun little bit of fluff to get Peter back into costume and romp for a few moments.

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If that's all, you won't have had too much spoiled
Yeah, not much of a spoiler, since she shows up in the very first episode. It's only just very briefly tho.


 

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Yeah, we don’t know either, just nod and try not think about that one too much
"But the Doctor will be alright if you believe. Do you believe? If you believe, clap your hands. Clap. Don't let the Doctor die! Clap!"


 

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Out of interest, Starsman, do you have any way to watch the Sarah Jane Adventures at all, as they are excellent! Honestly, considering it's classed a childrens television I find it vastly more enjoyable than Torchwood

Plus, (and this isn 't really a spoiler as it's common knowledge now) the Doctor is due to appear in it in a few episodes time in the UK as well


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Out of interest, Starsman, do you have any way to watch the Sarah Jane Adventures at all, as they are excellent! Honestly, considering it's classed a childrens television I find it vastly more enjoyable than Torchwood

Plus, (and this isn 't really a spoiler as it's common knowledge now) the Doctor is due to appear in it in a few episodes time in the UK as well
I can torrent it. May do so once I'm done with Torchwood and Doctor, saw a trailer that make it look too children focused for my taste.


 

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I can torrent it. May do so once I'm done with Torchwood and Doctor, saw a trailer that make it look too children focused for my taste.
It's hard to describe, it is, but it isn't.

Like all good kids tv stuff, it works on many levels, so theres something for everyone there. It's more light hearted at times, but therer are some storylines in there that can get quite deep at times, particularly the ones abotu Sarah Jane herself and her past.

Definitely well worth a watch though!


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I concur on the Sarah Jane adventures. Yeah, you can tell that they're shooting for the younger demographic, but the show is still pretty good. It's consistently better than season 1 of Torchwood, that's for sure.


 

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Dunno about in the US, but in the UK iTunes has the first series of Sarah Jane up for £13.


 

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Well, thanks to my speedy interwebz I got full season 4 ready to watch, also got me Voyage of the Damned, off course.

Looking at a list of doctor who serials, I noticed this year has a LOT of specials. Planet of the Dead already being released with 3 more to go and it seems December may see 2 (unless Christmas in UK lasts until January as it does in Puerto Rico.)


 

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Looking at a list of doctor who serials, I noticed this year has a LOT of specials. Planet of the Dead already being released with 3 more to go and it seems December may see 2 (unless Christmas in UK lasts until January as it does in Puerto Rico.)
That's because we didn't get a full series this year, we've just been getting specials instead.


 

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That's because we didn't get a full series this year, we've just been getting specials instead.
What?! Why not? That would mean that had things gone normally I'd have a 5th season to look at now!!!