Masterminds and Giant Monsters

I had an argument recently with a global friend of mine about the subject of GMs and MMs. He is a scrapper more often than not, while I am an MM. I don't have an exact record of the conversation, but this is pretty close:

Scrapper: MMs and scrappers can solo AVs, but it takes a scrapper to solo a GM.
Me: What are you talking about? MMs have soloed GMs before.
Scrapper: I'm talking without temps/insps.
Me: So am I.
Scrapper: MMs can't sustain [some number]DPS required to overcome regen. It's not possible. (I think he said 350... I could easily be wrong.)
Me: But masterminds have tools like -resist and -regen that increase effective DPS.
Scrapper: Whatever.
Me: I haven't done it myself, my build isn't ready yet, but I've seen it. I wouldn't argue like this if I hadn't.

He still wouldn't believe it. An argument like that isn't enough for me to get bent about, but a day later, I noticed he wasn't on my global friends list anymore. Obviously he got his panties in a bunch because he didn't want to hear how scrappers can be equaled, if not surpassed.

I know that MMs can solo GMs. We don't need no stinking temps or insps either! Again, I can't do it yet, but I know someone can. So I beg of you, the MM community, provide me with hard, undeniable proof. Bring me videos! Toot your own horn! Show me it can be done, and I will convey the information to the doubting scrapper. Together, we can break the narrow minded scrapper who lives outside of debuffs.

He was implying that a scrapper can maintain 350dps, no amount of persuasion will break through that skull.

Ack! That's why I was afraid of posting an actual number there. I'm not sure what number he said, but it did seem outrageous. I wasn't going to argue that.

Regardless, if my "friend" is to be proven wrong, I need video proof. I know you've done it!

Deathsurge, at least, is quite doable with bots/traps - I've done it twice at least just for the 2 merits. What I don't recall is how many if any inspirations I used doing so. I may have provided the assault bot with some damage inspirations during the battle. I'm not sure whether Deathsurge should be classified a GM compared to some of the other GM's, either. I'll have to learn how to do a video, but would a screenshot at the end will suffice if I can keep other people from crashing the party?

Screenshots and a log of the combat channel should be enough.

How about this thread?

Link

MM soloing Ghost of Scrapyard, with video.

This thread details a controller soloing Kraken

Not exactly a MM doing it but if your friends arguement was only scrappers can well...

If you abide by the accepted definition of solo'ing (no temps, insp, click accolades) then to date I don't believe any scrapper has solo'd any GM.

Do a search for silverado, he has a bots/traps and he is well known for being a big game hunter, I'd be surprised if he didn't have links to some GM's for that toon.

To be fair he did say "I don't believe", so it was hardly unequivocal.

I also have yet to hear of any scrapper able to solo a proper GM, even in theory it seems impossible. The dev's have a lot of information but with real numbers so do the players, and some players are VERY clever. I think even Dark/Shield with fully saturated AAO and Soul Drain cannot put out enough DPS to beat a GM (And that is discounting the cast times of Soul Drain and any heals that may be needed).

The reason debuff AT's can do it is because -regen can account for something like 200 effective DPS, which is like having a scrapper fighting alongside you!

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

Silverado has done it. I'm surprised he hasn't shown up yet. Maybe PM him?

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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison Ack! That's why I was afraid of posting an actual number there. I'm not sure what number he said, but it did seem outrageous. I wasn't going to argue that. Regardless, if my "friend" is to be proven wrong, I need video proof. I know you've done it!

Here (includes Deathsurge and Scrapyard)

The fact that this Scrapper player scoffs at the mechanics behind -regen effects shows how little he actually understands about the game. Controllers aren't exactly DPS powerhouses, but they can solo big game with a secondary like Radiation. For Scrappers a certain level of DPS is needed, and you need a certain level of survivability. That doesn't apply to all AT's though. Sometimes it's just a matter of primary/secondary combo that is enough.

I've watched a ton of videos where MM's solo Deathsurge and scrapyard. A few of them were already posted here so I won't go to the trouble of finding them.

On the opposite side of the coin, I have watched a scrapper solo a GM. Granted, it was back in I2 when regen was god and damage on the sets was through the roof. When I5 and 6 hit I'm pretty damn sure it was undoable. With the invention system, I wouldn't put it past some builds.

At any rate, I stuck around for about 10 minutes to watch. I couldn't believe how wicked this guy looked. I was playing my ill/storm back then, and didn't understand how to play controllers. Plus it was precontainment, so our damage was really low. I later realized I was doing it wrong and that we were gods among the other AT's with multiple phantasms and an entourage of 25 fire imps following us around. I wish I had known how strong I was, I'd have given it a shot.