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I don't understand. Are you disputing how /hide interacts with /sea ?|
Originally Posted by Big_cuban
Can you provide a dev statement that says that is true?(with respect to using search as your tool)
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Of what value in the debate is a completely unprovable percentage of hidden players?
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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UberGuy, what I am saying... if I do a /search (with no mods), I get a global count not hidden. Then I add + 50% to that value to get the total accounts logged in.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I don't understand. Are you disputing how /hide interacts with /sea ?
Of what value in the debate is a completely unprovable percentage of hidden players? |
I am not disputing /hide or any of it's flavors.... just the "hide card" that is always played, when someone comes in and says, "where is everybody, the sever pops are less than 200" when they use the /search tool that they can use.... not the "Dev datamining software in use, only by the dev's".
If.... ya can give me DEV statements that say the /search tool is invalid.... I will back off and say you and others are correct.... until then,
the /search tool yields all accounts logged in, on that server, that are not hidden.
BC
You can't just arbitrarily choose a percentage and call it the number of hidden people. For all you know, the number is closer to 80-90%
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"Of what value in the debate is a completely unprovable percentage of hidden players?"|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I don't understand. Are you disputing how /hide interacts with /sea ?
Of what value in the debate is a completely unprovable percentage of hidden players? |
And just what value is bringing up hidden players that can't be proven that they are hidden?
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If it is that high.... I would think this isn't a MMO anymore.....|
Originally Posted by SunGryphon
You can't just arbitrarily choose a percentage and call it the number of hidden people. For all you know, the number is closer to 80-90%
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Originally Posted by SunGryphon
You can't just arbitrarily choose a percentage and call it the number of hidden people. For all you know, the number is closer to 80-90%
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ok..... then you run my numbers at 80% and see how many peeps wanna team with ya......BC
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Why? I don't have a problem finding teams.
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Originally Posted by Big_cuban
ok..... then you run my numbers at 80% and see how many peeps wanna team with ya......BC |
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Prez1, it stated that all those listed.... matched your search.... but, your search produced more.... than we could display, it was truncated to fit in the list box provided.|
Originally Posted by Prez1
You may be fighting a losing battle BC. Take it from me, I have tried in vain
to explain this position. Even after sending this question to NCSoft, I have been hesitant to post the response I received due to other's who may backlash me. |
Thank you Prez1.
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Then I say your 80% is too high |
Originally Posted by SunGryphon
Why? I don't have a problem finding teams.
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No, I'm just smart about teaming. 80% is an arbitrary number, just like your 50%. It could also be 20%. My point was that -we can't know- how many people are on hide.|
Originally Posted by Big_cuban
Then I say your 80% is too high
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However, of the people I play with regularly, about 8 of 10 are on perma-/hidesearch, so based on my personal experience, 80% isn't out of the question. I myself am on perma-/hidesearch.
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Ya Know, SunGryphon, I gotta say that finding teams is not the issue....|
Originally Posted by SunGryphon
Why? I don't have a problem finding teams.
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It is the amount of people to team with. You don't have a problem, because of: time in game, friends, globals.
But do a /hide and see how many random team invites ya get?
Or.... go to a new server where your Global isn't a known player.... what happens?
Yes..... teaming is easy if ya know the channels and have the Globals.... but for those that don't.... it can be rather tuff.
BC
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SunGryphon, so my, what I thought was too high, 50%, may be too low?|
Originally Posted by SunGryphon
No, I'm just smart about teaming. 80% is an arbitrary number, just like your 50%. It could also be 20%. My point was that -we can't know- how many people are on hide.
However, of the people I play with regularly, about 8 of 10 are on perma-/hidesearch, so based on my personal experience, 80% isn't out of the question. I myself am on perma-/hidesearch. |
BC
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Just an FYI..... Anyone Hidden really doesn't want to team with you, unless they got ya on a freinds list or on a global/SG list.|
Originally Posted by SunGryphon
No, I'm just smart about teaming. 80% is an arbitrary number, just like your 50%. It could also be 20%. My point was that -we can't know- how many people are on hide.
However, of the people I play with regularly, about 8 of 10 are on perma-/hidesearch, so based on my personal experience, 80% isn't out of the question. I myself am on perma-/hidesearch. |
So.... the 8-10 that team with you that are hidden.... don't wanna team with the rest of us. True? They are hidden, arent they?
BC
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The amount of people available isn't the problem because you only need ONE OTHER PERSON to make a team. And I have gotten random invites while on /hidesearch, especially when I hang out in a populated area. This is why I don't hang out in populated areas.|
Originally Posted by Big_cuban
Ya Know, SunGryphon, I gotta say that finding teams is not the issue....
It is the amount of people to team with. You don't have a problem, because of: time in game, friends, globals. But do a /hide and see how many random team invites ya get? Or.... go to a new server where your Global isn't a known player.... what happens? Yes..... teaming is easy if ya know the channels and have the Globals.... but for those that don't.... it can be rather tuff. BC |
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Originally Posted by Big_cuban
SunGryphon, so my, what I thought was too high, 50%, may be too low?
BC |
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Originally Posted by Big_cuban
Just an FYI..... Anyone Hidden really doesn't want to team with you, unless they got ya on a freinds list or on a global/SG list.
So.... the 8-10 that team with you that are hidden.... don't wanna team with the rest of us. True? They are hidden, arent they? BC |
Oh, and goobers. None of us like goobers.
@Forbin
Interesting, I actually went and read the rules after
your post.
5. Non-Constructive posts are prohibited.
* A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
* "NERF X!" threads are removed for much the same reason as "I'm leaving" threads. They can turn into threads with little or no constructive information.
*Threads that make threats or use other combative language are not allowed. If you ask a question on the board, be aware that questions on our boards are most commonly answered by the community. Demands for answers from NCsoft are not permitted, however we may often address some questions and concerns with an official topic. In the event of legitimate emergencies, or other unprecedented scenarios, we will endeavor to provide comments, even if it is only to state that there is no officially available information.
Funny, these boards would be deserted if this was enforced.
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There are people out there that are trying to use the /search to support their arguments that the game is dying, or to justify a server merge. So everytime we see someone quoting /search we are going to speak up and point out that those numbers are grossly innaccurate and don't represent the actual number of people online.
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Originally Posted by Big_cuban
Just an FYI..... Anyone Hidden really doesn't want to team with you, unless they got ya on a freinds list or on a global/SG list.
So.... the 8-10 that team with you that are hidden.... don't wanna team with the rest of us. True? They are hidden, arent they? BC |
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Originally Posted by Prez1
@Forbin
Interesting, I actually went and read the rules after your post. 5. Non-Constructive posts are prohibited. * A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents. * "NERF X!" threads are removed for much the same reason as "I'm leaving" threads. They can turn into threads with little or no constructive information. *Threads that make threats or use other combative language are not allowed. If you ask a question on the board, be aware that questions on our boards are most commonly answered by the community. Demands for answers from NCsoft are not permitted, however we may often address some questions and concerns with an official topic. In the event of legitimate emergencies, or other unprecedented scenarios, we will endeavor to provide comments, even if it is only to state that there is no officially available information. Funny, these boards would be deserted if this was enforced. |
You read them and still choose not to follow them. Why am I not surprised.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You read them and still choose not to follow them. Why am I not surprised.
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Did you even read what I stated.....
I read the rules AFTER your post.
I was not aware of that rule #4 until after I posted.
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Sorry. You have my sincere apology. I thought you were directing a snark at anyone disagreeing with your position, rather than making a general observation.|
Originally Posted by Prez1
Did you even read what I stated.....
I read the rules AFTER your post. I was not aware of that rule #4 until after I posted. |
Things like that happen failrly often down in the suggestion forums when someone quotes the forum guidelines.
Again I apologize for misunderstanding.
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1. Well Duh! If you are hiding from searches, people can't see you to invite. If you are /hidden from searches and come here complaining because no one ever invites you to team, you will get laughed at, deservedly. (Nothing wrong with hiding, but if you do, don't complain about the results.)|
Originally Posted by Big_cuban
But do a /hide and see how many random team invites ya get?
Or.... go to a new server where your Global isn't a known player.... what happens? Yes..... teaming is easy if ya know the channels and have the Globals.... but for those that don't.... it can be rather tuff. BC |
2. My global isn't known anywhere as a team player. Some folks may recognize it from various MA things, but that has nothing to do with teaming. And I am constantly getting tells and blind invites to team. (See #1. I have never hidden any of my characters.) And it isn't because of my renown as a great team player, because I very seldom team. Occasional MS Raids or zone invasions is about all.
3. Globals that do help you get a team are the Global channels for the server you are on. The game could use a better explanation of how to search for global channels, then putting them on their own tab for ease of use. If you know about those channels and how to use them, and don't, you are heading for the same results as #1 again.
Seriously, I am not a teaming player. (Almost said team player, but that is only true on one of my Brutes.
) In over 5 years of this game, I have soloed probably 95% of the time. And most of the time, when I did team, it was with SG members to do the TFs or handle AVs.Aside from helping out a newbie SG member before I16, the only time I can remember forming a team was for a Mothership Raid last year. I have alts of all kinds of level ranges on both sides of all the servers. I very seldom play an alt without getting a team invite.
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Well I just resubbed yesterday for something to do while training skills in EvE. Really the game seems very dead.
I play on Freedom. Didn't see server load go above green last night or today, on a weekend. NOONE and I mean NOONE talks in broadcast, I shouted "well I guess this game is dead" in broadcast in Cap, no replies. AE in Cap which was completely packed before I left ~6 months ago had 2 people in it both afk.
Doesn't look good.
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Since you weren't around, you're not aware that they upgraded the server capacity. You are exactly correct to call the indicators "server load". They are not a population indicator.|
Originally Posted by Dz131
Well I just resubbed yesterday for something to do while training skills in EvE. Really the game seems very dead.
I play on Freedom. Didn't see server load go above green last night or today, on a weekend. |
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| NOONE and I mean NOONE talks in broadcast, I shouted "well I guess this game is dead" in broadcast in Cap, no replies. |
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| AE in Cap which was completely packed before I left ~6 months ago had 2 people in it both afk. |
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uhh ok.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Since you weren't around, you're not aware that they upgraded the server capacity. You are exactly correct to call the indicators "server load". They are not a population indicator.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Yeah, well, I would have ignored you too.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Because they threw all the farmers and PL'ers out. They instituted changes to the difficulty structure that make farming easier in regular missions and told everyone to get the farming out of AE (and deleted toons and banned accounts to prove they meant it).
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Okay. Stay or go. Your call. Form an opinion, make your judgment, etc. Only a fool would try to tell you that your impression is 'wrong'.
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Hey I already paid for the month. I'll prob log in and out. Maybe sub to WoW again/play Guildwars if I'm forced to solo in this game. But if you think the pop is the same or higher as it was 6 month ago, you're delusional.
Bye.
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It is, of course, but only a fool would try to tell him that.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Only a fool would try to tell you that your impression is 'wrong'.
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