Martial arts and other AT's.
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Arilou,
Posted on: 2009-09-17 24:49 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Because we don't have a melee/melee AT.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
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What I want is the following:
Blaster Secondaries
Super-Strength; pretty much straight up, with Build Up instead of Rage, or a modified Rage.
Martial Arts; no changes necessary.
Dominator Secondaries
Super-Strength Assault; with thrown objects like manhole covers added in
Martial Assault; with shuriken attacks - single target, cone, explosive shuriken
Blade Assault; dual blades with thrown knives added in for ranged attacks.
Stalker Secondaries
Dark Miasma; with Hide replacing the heal.
Kinetic Control; with Hide replacing the heal.
Poison; with Hide replacing the heal.
Etc. Etc. Ad nauseum.
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Originally Posted by thanos316
So, I can create mobs that have both weapons and martial arts to fight me. Why can't I do the same? Countless movies have the characters that use martial arts and weapons at the same times. Why cant I? Would this break the game too much? Maybe we can create a MA/weapon AT? It combines both and doesn't specialize in either?
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Originally Posted by Eek a Mouse
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I agree with the throwing knives and shuriken. Shuriken jutsu is my hobby, and I feel that throwing knives do a lot more damage than the inherent power that natural origin gives you.|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
What I want is the following:
Blaster Secondaries Super-Strength; pretty much straight up, with Build Up instead of Rage, or a modified Rage. Martial Arts; no changes necessary. Dominator Secondaries Super-Strength Assault; with thrown objects like manhole covers added in Martial Assault; with shuriken attacks - single target, cone, explosive shuriken Blade Assault; dual blades with thrown knives added in for ranged attacks. Stalker Secondaries Dark Miasma; with Hide replacing the heal. Kinetic Control; with Hide replacing the heal. Poison; with Hide replacing the heal. Etc. Etc. Ad nauseum. |
Throwing knives would be badass.
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A while back I advocated for a full on thrown weapons set that would function like a ranged dual blades set (i.e. a combo based ranged set with combos adding a mixed bag of elemental damage and minor tertiary effect). After some hand wringing, I admitted that thrown weapons would never happen till we had full power customization.|
Originally Posted by beyeajus74018
I agree with the throwing knives and shuriken. Shuriken jutsu is my hobby, and I feel that throwing knives do a lot more damage than the inherent power that natural origin gives you.
Throwing knives would be badass. |
Well that day is here... and working from memory the suggestions for what geometries could be thrown included: bowler hats, hand fans, skulls (crystal, metallic or bone), spheres, cubes, bowling pins, small jack-o-lanterns, a few different models of knives, sai, playing cards, dice, hatchets, tomahawks, a few tech geometries, shuriken, boomerangs, letters or numbers or other symbols, etc.
In other words, a ranged set that plays a bit like dual blades and includes the extended concept customization that shields carried at release. Will this ever happen? Dunno. I imagine it'd be a ton of work.
Lastly, I'd suggested as its pair, the set should also be released with a "signature weapons" set that is a range of ranged and melee attacks as well as the bag of tricks one would usually expect from a blaster or dominator secondary. Should this proposed set also be combo based? Dunno. But tossing a signature "thrown weapon" model of your customization at your feet, only to get the glass shattering sound used with the valentines day nectar temp power and then be surround be a cloud of noxious gasses would be pretty darned cool. I'd also love to see the animations for this set have a touch of that acrobatic whirling dervish feel that dual blades provides in spades...
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Originally Posted by Zekiran_Immortal
This.
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I'd love to see MA for Blasters as a secondary. Especially with a Pistols Akimbo set. I'll make a Grammaton Cleric Lara Croft yet, by golly!
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Blasters don't get melee sets for secondaries, and stalkers don't get debuff sets. What would work for blasters is a mix of martial arts and ninjitsu, like so:|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
What I want is the following:
Blaster Secondaries Super-Strength; pretty much straight up, with Build Up instead of Rage, or a modified Rage. Martial Arts; no changes necessary. Dominator Secondaries Super-Strength Assault; with thrown objects like manhole covers added in Martial Assault; with shuriken attacks - single target, cone, explosive shuriken Blade Assault; dual blades with thrown knives added in for ranged attacks. Stalker Secondaries Dark Miasma; with Hide replacing the heal. Kinetic Control; with Hide replacing the heal. Poison; with Hide replacing the heal. Etc. Etc. Ad nauseum. |
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Storm Kick
Focus Chi
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Smoke Flash
Eagle's Claw
Blinding Powder
Choking Powder - Ranged, single target hold, aoe defense debuff, no damage. You throw a pouch of choking powder at your foe, leaving them held. Enemies near the target will breath in some of the powder and have their defense lowered.
So, my idea isn't far fetched? I was afraid for a second there. I just think it would make the game look better with some other proliferations. My custom critters don't look bad when I give them katana MA. Or pistols MA.
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Weapons Mastery ancillary pool. Done.
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Originally Posted by beyeajus74018
I agree with the throwing knives and shuriken. Shuriken jutsu is my hobby, and I feel that throwing knives do a lot more damage than the inherent power that natural origin gives you.
Throwing knives would be badass. |
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Why did you think I wanted stalkers to get debuff sets? Because they don't get them!
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Originally Posted by LordSquigie
stalkers don't get debuff sets.
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I'd love a "Sword and Gun Domination" set. Sword in one hand, gun in the other, cycle between ranged and melee attacks: Awesome.
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I can't understand the suggestions that Blasters get a full-on Melee set. Blasters are not Blast/Melee, they are Blast/Manipulation. With the exception of Fire Manipulation, Blaster Manipulation sets are tagged as support. Even Energy Melee, punch-heavy as it is, still has a control power, three buffs and a knockback power.
Unless we get some new ATs (and I'd actually like that) it's useful to remember what the one set unique to Blasters actually is like - Devices, with not a direct attack in sight. That's what Blaster self-support is. Porting over a Scrapper melee set is not an option without HEAVY tweaking.
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not at all, blended fighting styles have been asked for since one of the heroes introduced in the korean coh launch used a pistol and katana together. plus, due to the popularity of movies like the matirx and equilibrium, the martial artist who uses firearms and unarmed strikes together is one in the public mind, and lets not even get into anime gun/fighters. the general suggestion is usually taking some martial arts and some utility powers and making a secondary for blasters, expect to see more of that when dual pistols come with going rogue. There is also a smaller group who want a martial arts/gun mix for a dom assault set for natural doms. frankly im all for martial arts for anything(because it ups the chance of babs making more anims for it|
Originally Posted by thanos316
So, my idea isn't far fetched? I was afraid for a second there. I just think it would make the game look better with some other proliferations. My custom critters don't look bad when I give them katana MA. Or pistols MA.
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) so yeah, sure, tanks and brutes too.
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I want fire blast on my tanker! With blaster damage modifiers!
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Why did you think I wanted stalkers to get debuff sets? Because they don't get them!
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Some new or mixed ATs would be nice.
I still hanker after a Rikti EAT
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So, I can create mobs that have both weapons and martial arts to fight me. Why can't I do the same? Countless movies have the characters that use martial arts and weapons at the same times. Why cant I? Would this break the game too much? Maybe we can create a MA/weapon AT? It combines both and doesn't specialize in either?