Mission Editor? Try Archeatype Editor!

(Note: It turns out that people are VERRRY touchy. I mean, it's uncanny! I didn't know people could be this sensative!

The first part of this post it a lead in, not an insult. I have a heavily IOed MM, and I know how good they are--PLEASE read my suggestion without fanatical bias - if it were eventually implemented, CoV's customisation potential would reach entirely new limits! 8))


Powersets!

Don't you hate em? I know I do--There's always these few select powers that just seem to make the entire set look useless. Either that, or the Archeatypes themselves just don't seem worth playing. Most people chalk it up to personal preference. Me? I call it shoddy work. MMs were revolutionary--there's VERY little like them. If they had been built in a way that allowed them to feel like the army they were supposed to be, everyone would want to play em. But, instead, they were made weak, lacking, and completely and utterly reliant on patron powers to stand on par with the other villain archeatypes.

I've played this game on and off for a couple years. Through it all, I've noticed one little fact... just one nagging desire at the back of my brain...

These recent updates have been TERRIBLE!

Instead of getting content, powers, or just really cool toys, we've gotten small 'perks'. Costume pieces, power colours, power animations, very close-ended mission editers... and, in the end, what's come of it? HUNDREDS of hours of Dev work converted into maybe a day of mild interest from players (Not including AE, which half the player base is now reliant on. But it's being nerfed, so the players who only play the game because of that will all leave--so we don't have to worry about them anymore. *rolls eyes*).

The problem with this game is, while OTHER superhero brands pop up with exciting new features, graphics, abilities and outright potential, this trashy, old, outdated game stays the same: same code, same powers, same costumes, same graphics, same zones, same PLAYSTYLE. The only major differences appear to be how much worse powers seem to get every month, due to nerfs. All this does is make people who might've once wanted to use those powers... ignore them. From there, they can either create a new character using a powerset they still like, play an old character, or... quit.

...and that's where my idea comes in.


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Archeatype Editing --AE for maximum confusion 8)--
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Wouldn't it be great if you could tweak your powerset to do what you wanted? Wouldn't it be awesome to choose the types of resistances you had? Or how many buffs/debuffs you had? Or even the style of pets you had? Wouldn't it be AMAZING if you could create your own Archeatype spinoff with it's own unique powers, level it to 50, then make a NEW one?!

The devs don't understand the sheer scope of their I16 update for power colours and animations. Maybe they're not so great now (2 minute toys that'll get boring on any character once they hit lvl 10. :P), but with access to coding that allows players to alter the style and colour of their powers? It wouldn't take much more to turn it into a tried and true Archeatype Editor!

Picture it: Players would choose a template from the existing Archeatypes (non EAT, coz they're special. :P), setting a fairly basic build procedure, with a few requirements and limits. After choosing a template, the player is given 8 empty power slots to fill in. And then... the fun part begins!

Let's say I decide my template will be a Brute. I click the Archeatype Editor button, and am given a list of 8 Empty powerslots. Next to these powers, however, is a guideline for my brute's power picks. This guideline would list what types of powers my brute can take, what types of powers he MUST take, and how many of each type of power he CAN take.

As a brute, he'd have to have some form of melee damage, so he would be required to take a minimum of 3 melee attacks, but would not be allowed to exceed 6 melee attacks. Now, people wouldn't feel like they're creating something very 'new' if they were limited to a very specific build, would they? Of course not! But that's a worry put to bed as they pick their 3rd melee attack, because, then... a couple new options open up...

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Buffs/debuffs-------(brute may take a maximum of 2) This would include build ups, melee debuffs, Soul drains, Endurance modifiers, heals and so on.

Ranged attacks-------(brute may take a maximum of 2) Boulder throws? Gun shots? Lazer beams? Poison darts? This is your array of ranged attacks.

Conical AoE attacks-------(brute may take a maximum of 1) Though rare in brutes right now, archeatype editors would open up possibilities to give powersets all kinds of cool tricks and gadgets! Maybe your brute has a couple grenades, maybe he can throw his sword forward, damaging any enemies who are unlucky enough to be in its way... this is your slightly weaker AoE alternative to close-range assaults on enemies you simply can't handle.

PBAoE attacks-------(brute may take a maximum of 2) Do you extend your arms and spin around in a circle? Maybe you excrete acid onto nearby enemies--or, perhaps, you grab an oponent and Swing them in an arc to fend off his allies. Whatever your tactics, these powers'll let you deal intense AoE damage at a close range.

Mez/status-affecting abilities-------(brute may take a maximum of 2) Stuns? Holds? Confuses? Taunts? These are your brute's backbone abilities. Can you ruthlessly beat on an opponent's legs to the point where they can't walk for a period of time? Have you found that holding an enemy upside down for a couple of seconds makes the blood rush to their head, and disorients them? Or maybe you're a dirty fighter, and you go for the eyes so that your opponent can't differentiate between friend and foe. These are your tricks and traps, your tactics and cheapshots. These are the abilities that can turn a fight around, fast.
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Naturally, some buffs wouldn't be available on brutes, and others would have 'consequences' (such as not allowing you to take certain other ones), but with the ability to PICK those cool little perky powers that you wish were in your set, people would line up to create their characters, and actually be EXCITED to level them up to 50!

There'd be specific templates for offensive and defensive use for each archeatype. Best of all, there would be NO LIMIT to the style of powers you can use. Want a fire/ice/pistol/javelin corruptor? No problem! Want a Mastermind who can drop stationary recharge-oriented turrets instead of normal pets, and who focuses on personal attacks and armour? You can do it! Need a dominator that can stack 2 or 3 single target holds, then run into melee range and 'behead' his target with a battle axe? Go for it!

The possibilities are limitless, and the best part is--EVERY NPC animation/power/costume (for MM pets) could, potentially, be implemented into the system - you would have, literally, HUNDREDS of different powers and animations to choose from!

Yes, this could possibly be exploitable by min/maxing players, but if the devs put requirements on taking 'stronger' attacks/powers (such as taking 1 moderate and high damage melee attack before being able to learn an 'extreme' damage attack), it would be VERY difficult to exploit, and only a couple AoE debuffs would be victimised.

If this feature were put in the game, it would be a FIRST--new players would roll in from all over to test it out. And, if it is done well, they would stay for a LONG, long time (because of the sheer scope of characters they can now make).

And, the best part is, instead of having to create entire new powersets from scratch, the devs could just create new enemies (MM pets), new enemy attacks (powers) and new enemy animations (diversity), then just copy+paste em INTO the Archeatype Editor. Every TINY update they did to the game would give us 10-20 new powers!!!

This would be an insane addition to the CoH/V genre, and would put other Superhero platforms to shame! I would love to see this implemented into the game, and soon.


EDIT: Powers would not be scaled one by one and shoved into a sort of 'megalist'. Instead, the idea is that the attack would start at a base value, but allow activation scaling (for slight damage buffs) and secondary effects (such as added DoT, slows, def debuffs, etc) at the cost of endurance or recharge penalties to that particular power.

What devs would, in fact, be adding to the 'megalist' would be power animations and secondary effects (some archeatypes would not have access to some types of attacks/effects/animations if they were easily exploitable). In this sense, the devs WOULD have some difficulty in originally creating the system, but could then liesurely add in effects or even 'special' powers to the megalist, without having to devote insanely large amounts of time to each set like they do now (as most powers would be a simple copy+paste animation, and an attack of our choosing =D)

*cough*pre-beta*cough*

The original design of CoH didn't include ATs at all... and had a system a bit more like your suggestion (they found it was impossible to balance).

We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.

What new nerfs? ... Me thinks you have no idea what you are talking about at all.

Haha, Memphis, you took that faaar too personally.

You missed the entire point of the thread--CO has nothing to do with it, and niether does what people 'want' (Regardless of how long people have been asking for colours, they're still only interesting until you've grown accustomed to them).

This is an idea pitch for an entirely new set of archeatypes, without forcing the devs into actually doing any work! It would bring in players--new and old--and even give existing players hundreds, THOUSANDS of new character combinations. It's not a complaint - it's a way for an outdated game to completely thrash the competition.

Can I just /jranger this? I mean... it really is warranted, right? Please? Ocho? Can I just this once?

There are so many, many things wrong with the entire argument that the OP gives. So. Many.

Yes: CO comes into play here because it's trying (lamely) to reproduce the pre-alpha game which this one GAVE UP ON because it was hopelessly hard to balance and impossible to prevent people from being Ubar- or Gimp-man.

The game you want is Freedom Force or HeroX. Go find em, you'll see wheeee! you can change the animations, and give yourself whatever...

And then get bored as hell and play something better - like this game - again.

anyone else see the patch CO put in place to "balance" their classless system at release?
ATs were added to coh to avoid tank-mages, rebalancing all powers on their own to avoid the same means that anyone who isnt one now hits bellow par.

Being able to switch "stone resist 1" with "fire resist 1", or "melee attack claws" with "melee energy attack", and other similar effect powers, for each power in a powerset...that'd be good

let me be the first to submit this well deserved answer that in this case will be the only word it gets:

/J(*************)POWERBREWHASTONEFISTAMISHRANGER! that is all.

I'd rather have a true open power system than tweaking archetypes, which you can sort of do with epics.

CO has a kind of openish wannabe power system, but not nearly versatile enough. Surprisingly they went with the CoH system of every power being an equal slot rather than the much easier to balance system of power point costs.