I am getting fed up with the market in so many ways
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AgentMountaineer,
Posted on: 2009-09-04 11:58 in The Market and Inventions
I don't think about it but since I sell far more than I buy, higher prices are a benefit for each of my characters.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Every game has an inventory limit.
How do you explain accessing the market in thin air? I'm Teleporting my IOs to someone?
Do you have the materials needed to create ... rocking horses wherever you go? No, nor do you have the stuff to make IOs everywhere.
While it's an inconvenience to have to run back and forth to craft, I think most of the problem is "rare" common salvage.
I may just be paranoid, but it seems like some common salvage drop rates are way down.
Luck Charm for example. Say I had a bunch of tickets to spend in AE and I just spammed the "random arcane" button in the bracket that has Luck Charms. I'll maybe get 1 or 2 after spamming the button 20+ times. I'll get stacks of others that are 5 or 6.
I kind of think the salvage used compared to the most popular crafted IO's needs a pass.
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it's a game, the dev's could make teleporting IOs happen. I guess it has to be realistic though, like flying people, monsters, super speed, fire manipulators and all that. Your response isn't valid. Maybe you should reply when you have something that makes more sense. Not total sense, just more sense than what you just stated.
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Every game has an inventory limit.
How do you explain accessing the market in thin air? I'm Teleporting my IOs to someone? Do you have the materials needed to create ... rocking horses wherever you go? No, nor do you have the stuff to make IOs everywhere. |
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I agree, the drop rates have seen to be going down. Thus the reason I am always at the market trying to buy the common salvages for 100,000 inf these days.
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Originally Posted by Soulie
While it's an inconvenience to have to run back and forth to craft, I think most of the problem is "rare" common salvage.
I may just be paranoid, but it seems like some common salvage drop rates are way down. Luck Charm for example. Say I had a bunch of tickets to spend in AE and I just spammed the "random arcane" button in the bracket that has Luck Charms. I'll maybe get 1 or 2 after spamming the button 20+ times. I'll get stacks of others that are 5 or 6. I kind of think the salvage used compared to the most popular crafted IO's needs a pass. |
IOs are a tangible object in this game tangible objects do not poof around. There exists a place to go where they hold onto your tangible objects and sell them for you. They don't deliver. Again; accessing the market from anywhere makes no sense!
the reason it seems that the drop rates have gone down is because everyone and their brother has been doing AE stuff. when they get their tickets they roll recipes and not salvage. this leads to a shortage of salvage, or high demand but no supply if you will. when i16 goes live this will help to bring prices down. more people will be running regular missions and getting out of AE.
We have to go to the Market because that's the way it was set up. In the real world when you want to buy something (especially if you want to buy it NAO) you have to go to a store that has what you want. Game designers that want to make the game seem more real and therefor more immersive do this.
One thing that would be nice is having a market interface available inside your SG bases. You could at least check on or place bids while heading to your next mission and that would be good.
As far as a crafting table where ever you want? Wish granted. You can earn a portable crafting table by getting the field crafter badge.
Prices too high? Start selling instead of buying. When prices drop then buy. You'll have all the stuff you wanted and a pile of influence to roll around in too. Just be patient.
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The WW interface at the SG base would be a nice addition. And I knew about the portable table, but isnt that thing time consuming to get? You don't see many of those around.
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
We have to go to the Market because that's the way it was set up. In the real world when you want to buy something (especially if you want to buy it NAO) you have to go to a store that has what you want. Game designers that want to make the game seem more real and therefor more immersive do this.
One thing that would be nice is having a market interface available inside your SG bases. You could at least check on or place bids while heading to your next mission and that would be good. As far as a crafting table where ever you want? Wish granted. You can earn a portable crafting table by getting the field crafter badge. Prices too high? Start selling instead of buying. When prices drop then buy. You'll have all the stuff you wanted and a pile of influence to roll around in too. Just be patient. |
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I have it on 22 characters. The last one made 90 million in the process of getting it (thank you AE). |
Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
The WW interface at the SG base would be a nice addition. And I knew about the portable table, but isnt that thing time consuming to get? You don't see many of those around.
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As to whether it is time consuming, it is. But it is also time consuming to have to run back and forth to the market.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I assume that one reason for the current setup is that the devs wanted a new time sink. Time spent at the market, or going to and from the market, is time not spent earning xp.
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At least in Steel the University is right across the road from WW. In the other zones that have WW there is nowhere close to go and craft. If i'm in Talos on a toon that doesn't have the portable work table I have to, ZOMG, zone into my base to craft things! That takes up like a whole extra 15-20 seconds each way!
My own thoughts is that a WW in the base would eliminate a lot of below vendor pricing.
The simple convenience of being able to hoover up the cheap stuff and click sell on the autodoc, would lead to a supremely efficient flooring of stuff available at sub-vendor pricing.
Now you can discuss if thats good or bad, but its easy to see its likely to happen.
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I would perfer just having a button called {Add Enhacement}. A list would pop up and you could just slot whatever you wanted. That would be alot easier than all this crafting and selling business.
While they're at it, just add a [Mohr exp] button so that we don't have to do so much button mashing.
easier ftw
You can also purchase temporary powers to teleport you directly to Wentworth's or the Black Market, although you can only use them once every 30 minutes.
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Originally Posted by peterpeter
I assume that one reason for the current setup is that the devs wanted a new time sink. Time spent at the market, or going to and from the market, is time not spent earning xp.
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Or even get the power for free via Day Jobs, when it can be used every 5 min. (Max. possible of 10 uses before it needs recharging, though.)
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Originally Posted by Godpants
You can also purchase temporary powers to teleport you directly to Wentworth's or the Black Market, although you can only use them once every 30 minutes.
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I always lol when I see this.| Cost way too much to buy goodies there |
People should stop treating the WW/BM as a store and instead start treating it as a consignment house where you bid on stuff and might have to wait. Skipping the waiting part will cost you. If you're impatient don't come here and whine, ok?
And as to your location problems; you have to go to a store to buy SOs so going to a place to buy IOs is logical. There are a couple of places where the Buy > Craft > Sell/Slot chain can be done fast. One is Talos WW > Base Portal and the other is Steel WW > University. In both cases it takes approx 5 seconds to travel from the WW to the crafting place if you have a travel power. You could also get the crafting accolade to get a portable workbench...
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The advantage of the Steel WW/University location is that you don't have to zone as you would when entering your base. For some folks, that may be an issue.
Villainside, I like the Port Oakes BM/Abandoned lab. Pocket D is close by if I want to access the Vault, although it takes a zone change.
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See, this is why people sometimes are reluctant to post, because you automatically say someone is whining. regardless if you wait the prices are still jacked up. I know what a consignment store is. My point is at this current moment in CoH time, prices are seriously high. When you have 600 available items and 500 people bidding on it and the last 5 buys for spell ink is 100,000 inf....something is wrong.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
I always lol when I see this.
People should stop treating the WW/BM as a store and instead start treating it as a consignment house where you bid on stuff and might have to wait. Skipping the waiting part will cost you. If you're impatient don't come here and whine, ok? And as to your location problems; you have to go to a store to buy SOs so going to a place to buy IOs is logical. There are a couple of places where the Buy > Craft > Sell/Slot chain can be done fast. One is Talos WW > Base Portal and the other is Steel WW > University. In both cases it takes approx 5 seconds to travel from the WW to the crafting place if you have a travel power. You could also get the crafting accolade to get a portable workbench... |
How often are you revamping your toon? Personally, I start throwing in standard IOs around lvl 20...sure that's a little bit of back and forth in Steel, but it isn't that annoying. Then I just slot powers as the slots come so the time spent going back and forth is pretty minimal. Then there might be a little back and forth when I log in to move what I have bought to craft and then to actually craft and then sell them.
I suppose I've just never thought about it as much of an inconvenience to go back and forth and I usually stay in Kings Row and zone to my base to craft. I am more annoyed with the vast numbers of power spammers in Talos and Steel to spend much time in those consignment houses than I am with any back and forth-ing to craft and sell.
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To be fair, you did say you needed to vent in your OP. To some, and I would include myself most of the time, vent = whine. You set up this thread with at least the thought in your head that people might not react favorably to it. Don't act surprised when they don't.|
Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
See, this is why people sometimes are reluctant to post, because you automatically say someone is whining. regardless if you wait the prices are still jacked up. I know what a consignment store is. My point is at this current moment in CoH time, prices are seriously high. When you have 600 available items and 500 people bidding on it and the last 5 buys for spell ink is 100,000 inf....something is wrong.
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The stupid thing about complaining about the high prices is that those who complain never stop to think about the opportunity that lies in those high prices. If you happen to come across some of those especially high priced items and can't or don't need to use them, I have no doubt that you squeal with glee at the opportunity of listing them. If you don't and you delete them or vendor them out of some misguided sense of spite, well then you're even more foolish than you were in the first place.
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You are whining. You don't understand that you can sell at these prices as well as buy.
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Originally Posted by cp2_4eva
See, this is why people sometimes are reluctant to post, because you automatically say someone is whining. regardless if you wait the prices are still jacked up. I know what a consignment store is. My point is at this current moment in CoH time, prices are seriously high. When you have 600 available items and 500 people bidding on it and the last 5 buys for spell ink is 100,000 inf....something is wrong.
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I'm fed up of crafting.
I hate crafting - well it's production/manufacturing really, because if you can't customise what you're making during production then it's not really crafting, imho - I hate "crafting" in pretty much every MMO I play and try to avoid it as much as possible. Here in CoH/V I really don't see what crafting adds atmospherically. Crafting temp powers, sure I can see that as inventing, but crafting enhancements really does nothing for me from a RP/immersion perspective and I don't find it enjoyable.
I love set IO enhancements and how they let me customise my builds, and I like auction houses well enough, but I just hate crafting - it's a timesink and a chore, I get no enjoyment from it - I wish invention enhancements just dropped fully formed instead of having recipes and salvage.
Which is ironic really because I make billions of inf from regularly crafting and selling set IOs (oranges mainly), presumably to people who can't be bothered to make them and would rather buy pre-mades. I profit from the laziness and/or ignorance of others which makes the rest of my gaming experience much smoother/easier, letting me enjoy levelling characters for most of the time rather than wasting my playing time on farming.
The temptation is too great, and I'm too addicted to expensive heavily IO'd builds, so I feel that personally I would be stupid not to make inf on the markets doing this because it suits my strengths (I have a background in offshore finance so I understand supply and demand - not that it's that difficult to understand anyway in CoH/V, though I see people struggling...) and it doesn't impinge on my MMO playing style too much (i.e. big profits for minimum time invested and minimal hassle/risk, so for most of my time I can just play however I wish).
But honestly? I wish I couldn't marketeer, even though I do get a measure of satisfaction from it, or I wish that I didn't feel the need to marketeer - because as much as I love my IO'd builds now (and could never go back to SOs) I do miss the innocent days of pre-I9 SO'd builds when this game was so casual you never had to worry about your inf balance once you got past L30.
Hey guys. This might be a little vent-ish. I also might even get teh Flame. Do you guys feel like this?
Why do we actually have to GO TO a market to buy the recipe pieces and why do we then have to GO TO a University or a SG base to actually make the enhancements? Why wasn't there just a system where I can type /ww for the wentworth interface or /InvTab for an invention table or something? I get annoyed by going back and forth in steel canyon to get my toons revamped.
And then the market idea is starting to annoy me. Though it can be a lucrative business, the market is horrible right now. Cost way too much to buy goodies there. And it could be little simple common salvage.
I'm trying to figure out if I am missing something and making this thing harder than it really is. I have a few 50s and numerous alts. but today finally annoyed me. After all these years, I get annoyed today.
Also, to compliment my annoyed state of mind with the University and the Wentworth's being actual location instead of a handy pop up interface where ever I am in the CoX world I hate having restrictions on how many salvage pieces and recipes I can carry.
The loyal CoX-ers may enjoy all of this back and forth from place to place. They may even enjoy the market gouging. SIGH.....sorry guys. Don't flame me up.