Farming & PL'ing - Designed by Devs or Unintentional By-Product

Originally Posted by MissInformed

The show was all over Champagne Bubbly. It showed her buying the PL, the PL guy logging her character in and playing, then the account holder logging Champagne Bubbly back in and getting all excited about all the levels she got. Apparently Champagne Bubbly and her husband never read the EULA.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

It is a common misconception that one opinion is as good as another.

Originally Posted by Ice Knight

Casual Gamer - Someone who does not get into numerical equations or rare drops. They just play to play. This player is experienced but does not care about drops, builds or numbers. The can play a few hours a week to full time.

Originally Posted by Calash

The game balance has nothing to do with personal playstyle. Nether does loot gathered, or forum posts, or how often I check the boards, or the number of times I tag a post. It is also not up to the devs to define it, we have a definition already in place.

Like the word Farming people are twisting the meaning of the word Casual gaming to mean whatever they want in order to support there argument at the time.

The items you have do not define your playstyle.

Originally Posted by Eva Destruction

I'd say there's a huge area between these two guys, consisting of the people with some understanding of mechanics, some interest in builds, who make some effort to acquire rewards, but don't have the knowledge or skill of the Power Gamers.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

The problem is people are trying to define behaviors, which is rather pointless. "Oh if you play X hours a week, you're hardcore...oh if you grind badges, you're hardcore...oh if you spam the forums, you're hardcore." That's about as useful as saying "oh if you run a mission 100 times you're a farmer".

A meaningful definition needs to define the wellspring of the behavior, not the streams it generates.

I define 'hardcore' as a frame of mind. A player that sets expansive goals and achieves them is 'hardcore' to me, regardless of how much or little they play or how they go about achieving those goals.

A player that goes with the flow, playing through the game and taking things as they come, not investing much special effort into ancillary stuff like phat lewt or accolades, is 'casual' to me.

And again, most people fall between the two poles.
KeepDistance (or whatever his name is now- mind4everburning?) earned a billion inf in a month, starting from 0 on a new character. That is HARDCORE.
I'm approaching a billion on the Goat right now, and he's been pecking away at it since I9. That's still 'hardcore', but it's an order of magnitude less hardcore than Keep's feat.

Originally Posted by Aura_Familia

Seeing as how the devs have made specific game changes based on THEIR definitions, I can say you are incorrect.

Originally Posted by Ice Knight

Trying to use one or two definitions to define all of gamedum is generally a war between your head and the wall.

In the spirit of less concussions, lets enter some different definitions and ideas.


Casual Player - Someone who plays a few hours a week with little knowledge of anything going on. They play rarely and have little knowledge of the game.

Casual Gamer - Someone who does not get into numerical equations or rare drops. They just play to play. This player is experienced but does not care about drops, builds or numbers. The can play a few hours a week to full time.

Hardcore Player - Someone who plays often. You would believe they were either independently wealthy or unemployed. Every time you log in they are there.

Power Gamer - Someone who plays with the advanced understanding of game mechanics and a desire for upper tier rewards. This player does not have to play often but enough to acquire these rewards.

Gamer Overlord - Someone who plays to be the best. They use the best tools and have a unique understanding of how the game works. They can spout numbers on command and can diagnose most character problems in seconds based on sheer observation. This player plays often and could be confused with a hardcore player if you didn't see their long explainations and detailed critiques of others.

Farmer - Generally a farmer is a version of a Gamer Overlord that uses their "talents" to acquire drops/tickets/merits at an advanced rate. They have a very specific understanding of drop rates the market and rolling systems.

Power Leveler - Generally a Power Leveler can have qualities of a Gamer Overlord however has a specialized understanding of Game mechanics, attack types and the fastest possible route to making the best xp. They understand level gap concepts and bending the system to their wants and needs.

Uber Gamer Overlord - Someone who understands all the above concepts about the Gamer Overlord, Power Leveler and Farmer and can do any of these at will. These players generally have 20 plus 50's and multiple accounts. They have billions of Influence and Infamy invested in builds, the Market and on hand.



While the above definitions are far from perfect and could be modified I think this is more descriptive then just the one or two that have been floating around.

Originally Posted by Calash

No, Clouded won the thread. Didn't you see the forum tag.

I actually like the definitions you quoted though the space between them is way to vast. I would be someplace between Casual Gamer and Hardcore Gamer yet I enjoy farming now and then.

Originally Posted by Ice Knight

You are right, I was missing an area there.

Intermediate Gamer - Someone who knows how to play has an interest in numbers and rewards but may not base their decisions solely on numbers and rewards.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

You know what they say....garbage in, garbage out.
Using someone else's crap definition doesn't get you off the hook.

Originally Posted by AlienOne

Wait... Did Nethergoat just call ParagonWiki garbage?

Dammit, I guess he'll have to go on my ignore list before I go on his.

Too bad.

/ignore

"The One"

Originally Posted by enrious2

Probably a wise move.

Also, an education would be as well.

Originally Posted by enrious2

Probably a wise move.

Originally Posted by enrious2

Probably a wise move.

Also, an education would be as well.

Originally Posted by AlienOne

An education is always a wise move.

Alas, I've finished four "educations" already, and I'm beginning to tire of going back to school. Maybe I should start putting all I've learned to use...

...or not.

Acting immature and insulting others is much more fun, as yours and Nethergoat's examples have already proved. Following in your footsteps seems to be a much easier path.

And I'm all about the laziness.

"The One"