Pulse Rifle Powerset
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-08-21 01:58 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I would play it!
This is something I have been wanting -forever-.
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I would so play that. Would allow me to make a more combat-worthy independant version of my Mastermind. Also has a slightly different flavour to most of the other sets.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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It would definetly be an interesting set. It's a rather control heavy set so damage is likely to suffer a bit. I'd be inclined to make Pulse Ray into a third ST attack (and maybe move it back a bit in the order) to try and differentiate it a little more from AR.
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For some reason, I read this and imagined Wing Zero. BWAAAAA!|
Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
9: Heavy Beam Cannon (Somewhere between the standard nuke and a Full Auto-style mininuke; fires a massive beam of energy in a long cone that does lots of damage, knockback and/or stun, costs maybe half your end bar)
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I'd like it to be a semi-wide cone attack, single tick of standard nuke damage, with a bright and flashy FX, and the standard nuke crash. Some kind of "overpower" to the gun.
I'd so play it.
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Yeah, I think it's highly doable. You can make a Robot character that shoots laser beam!
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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no, no, no, Wing Zero's Buster rifle should be the sniper shot.|
Originally Posted by DechsKaison
For some reason, I read this and imagined Wing Zero. BWAAAAA!
I'd like it to be a semi-wide cone attack, single tick of standard nuke damage, with a bright and flashy FX, and the standard nuke crash. Some kind of "overpower" to the gun. I'd so play it. |
Would a snipe aoe be overpowered?
Who cares!?
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Ok, I have come up with a new idea for this Pulse Rifle powerset.|
Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
no, no, no, Wing Zero's Buster rifle should be the sniper shot.
Would a snipe aoe be overpowered? Who cares!? |
1: Shoot Something Quick
2: Shoot Something Hard
3: Shoot Several Things
4: Who cares?
5: Who cares?
6: Buildup
7: Aim
8: Another Buildup
9: Wing Zero Beam (30 degree Cone Nuke Snipe. 3 sec interrupt, better than nuke damage because it's a snipe, standard nuke crash. Only usable after both buildups and aim.)
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I've never liked sapping powers personally; they require a specialized build to do any real good. I'd instead have this:|
Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
8: Energy Sapper (similar to the Malta weapon we all know and hate, does a lot of endurance drain, has a chance to stun)
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Plasma Mortar : Targeted AoE. You repeatedly fire your Pulse Rifle into the air, and moments later plasma bolts rain down from above on the targeted location. Energy/smash damage over time with a chance for knockdown.
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If Champions gets a Pulse Rifle framework, you can bet your *** CoX will get it next issue.
True story.
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LOL I agree!
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Originally Posted by biff10426
If Champions gets a Pulse Rifle framework, you can bet your *** CoX will get it next issue.
True story. |
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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I think 4 should be Aim and that 5 should be a ranged version of Follow-Up. We'll call it Laser-Up.
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Originally Posted by DechsKaison
Ok, I have come up with a new idea for this Pulse Rifle powerset.
1: Shoot Something Quick 2: Shoot Something Hard 3: Shoot Several Things 4: Who cares? 5: Who cares? 6: Buildup 7: Aim 8: Another Buildup 9: Wing Zero Beam (30 degree Cone Nuke Snipe. 3 sec interrupt, better than nuke damage because it's a snipe, standard nuke crash. Only usable after both buildups and aim.) |
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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No no no It should do Knock Back every one LOVES Knock Back. And that's a FACT!
Other than that tho the OP's list it looks good to me. Please NO aim or build up not every set needs them.
Wile were at it tho, can we also have...
- Dual Pistols
- Single Pistol
- Dual Energy Pistols
- Single Energy Pistol
- Gatling Cannon
- Grenade Launcher/Missile Launcher
Pretty Please?
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They tend to be underpowered without them; look at AR/Dev for example.
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Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
Please NO aim or build up not every set need them.
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I kinda hope that was joking.|
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
I've never liked sapping powers personally; they require a specialized build to do any real good. I'd instead have this:
Plasma Mortar : Targeted AoE. You repeatedly fire your Pulse Rifle into the air, and moments later plasma bolts rain down from above on the targeted location. Energy/smash damage over time with a chance for knockdown. |
A end drain that was as good as the malta sapper power? Or at least made usable for PC's? That trumps most things pretty nicely.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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With AR/Dev it's more of a case that neither set has them. AR/Energy for example is considered a good pair despite the lack of Aim in AR. I personally think that the problem with Devices is not the lack of Build Up as much as the fact that the damage powers in it are situational are best combined with the lack of Build Up. So although it provides good mitigation it loses to sets like Ice that provide good mitigation and more damage.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
They tend to be underpowered without them; look at AR/Dev for example.
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I'd honestly like to see a ranged set have a power similar to Follow-Up instead of just a rehash of BU/Aim. But I agree sets need some form of damage boost.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
They tend to be underpowered without them; look at AR/Dev for example.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I figured the Sapper power would be best for restoring the end lost in the nuke. And the mortar power... eh, I don't like the idea of laser beams working like bombs. It's just not consistent.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
I've never liked sapping powers personally; they require a specialized build to do any real good. I'd instead have this:
Plasma Mortar : Targeted AoE. You repeatedly fire your Pulse Rifle into the air, and moments later plasma bolts rain down from above on the targeted location. Energy/smash damage over time with a chance for knockdown. |
Cool idea. Although I noticed you have two cones that seem the same except one's stronger, what if you replaced one of them with this:
Plasma Burst: a targeted AoE that does moderate Dot and -regen.
Although I'm not sure how balanced it would be.
I changed my mind. the buster rifle should'nt be a snipe it should be a 15 second animation that utterly obliterates everything in a 30 degree cone.
Seconds 1-12 charging... 13-15 BOOOOOM!!!
In Endless Waltz Wing Zero is flying above the presidential mansion getting blown apart as it fires 3 shots of the buster rifle at the exact same point. Therefore interruptable = bad.
I think the 15 second animation should be enough reason to let it do insane damage though.
Buster Rifle in action
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Then you'd have to explain why a laser explodes on contact to hit everyone around the target and why that does -regen when no other power in the set does. Doesn't photon grenade work in a targeted AoE fashion? I don't know, I'm not a MM player...|
Originally Posted by Pyratheon
Cool idea. Although I noticed you have two cones that seem the same except one's stronger, what if you replaced one of them with this:
Plasma Burst: a targeted AoE that does moderate Dot and -regen. Although I'm not sure how balanced it would be. |
Anyway, as long as there is a long fat....laser beam
... that hits everything in its path in an anime-esque fashion, I'll definitely play this set.
Basically I really got interested in this set when I decided the nuke would be a cross between Full Auto and Supernova.
Given that most nukes have tradeoffs for their power (requiring you to jump into a bunch of foes, leaving you vulnerable afterwards), the wave motion gun might need to have a tradeoff, doing Full Auto level damage maybe.
can we just make an epic pool like this for Buster rifles?
41- Some power with no merits whatsoever
41- Another of the above
44-Who cares?
47- Buster Rifle Blast: Fires 3 large blasts 3 seconds apart that do massive damage. Targeted AOE.
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[Plasma Burn]. Robotics Assault Bots have it. -regen. Something like that would be cool.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Then you'd have to explain why a laser explodes on contact to hit everyone around the target and why that does -regen when no other power in the set does. Doesn't photon grenade work in a targeted AoE fashion? I don't know, I'm not a MM player...
Anyway, as long as there is a long fat....laser beam ... that hits everything in its path in an anime-esque fashion, I'll definitely play this set. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Don't Vanguard heavies and the Longbow heavy have beam weapons? Just copy that for the tier9, only make it bigger. 
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Normally I wouldn't bother with something like this, but recently while randomly brainstorming I somehow came up with some ideas for a fully fleshed out powerset based on the Pulse Rifle attacks from the Robotics powerset. I really can't argue whether it's worth the dev time and effort, but I just want to share the ideas I had.
I'm using mainly Assault Rifle as a reference guide to this, since it's the blast set I'm mostly familiar with, and the powers are mostly based on sci-fi ray gun and laser beam cliches. Imagine the classic ray gun noises to go along with each attack.
Main damage type: Energy
Main secondary effect: Stun, Knockback
Pulse Rifle powers:
1: Pulse Rifle Blast (see Robotics)
2: Pulse Rifle Burst (see above)
3: Pulse Ray (Small cone attack, Medium damage, fires a wide energy ray)
4: Photon Grenade (see Robotics)
5: Stun Setting (does no damage but has a high chance to Stun)
6: Charge Beam (standard snipe, superior damage)
7: Beam Barrage (large cone, high damage, fires a lot of beams in quick succession, similar to Heavy Burst)
8: Energy Sapper (similar to the Malta weapon we all know and hate, does a lot of endurance drain, has a chance to stun)
9: Heavy Beam Cannon (Somewhere between the standard nuke and a Full Auto-style mininuke; fires a massive beam of energy in a long cone that does lots of damage, knockback and/or stun, costs maybe half your end bar)
The names and information are just ideas, but I did try to give it its own flavour despite being based on other sets. The Energy Sapper in particular I think would set it apart, but I'm not sure how balanced it would be. Constructive criticism and new ideas welcome.