Issue 16 isn't even LIVE yet. Why are you arguing about Issue 17 now?
You guys sure are optimistic about Going Rogue. Personally, I'm expecting it next summer, which would make it around Issue 19.
I'm expecting Issue 17 to be story-driven. We've gone a long time without any serious update to the lore, and the last several issues have been extremely mechanics-focused.
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Originally Posted by SpaceNut
You guys sure are optimistic about Going Rogue. Personally, I'm expecting it next summer, which would make it around Issue 19.
I'm expecting Issue 17 to be story-driven. We've gone a long time without any serious update to the lore, and the last several issues have been extremely mechanics-focused. |
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Even though the beta is going to start before christmas you still expect it to take nearly a year to be released?
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...I forgot what experience means.
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If they give away some of the selling points for GR for free less peopple will buy it.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
GR : I17 :: CoV : I6
I'm fairly confident that I17 will impact at the same time as GR and in fact the new powersets will be given to all subscribers, not just GR-purchasers. What will be restricted to the box I think is access to Praetoria and therefore the ability to sideswitch. My point is that if you're talking about the next "real" issue past GR, you're really talking about I18. |
i17 IMO will be a content light issue which will add the few things to the game that people who aren't buying GR can access, probably mainly story type stuff.
To get the bells and whistles you will need to buy GR. IMO.
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Oh and I'm expecting beta for GR sometime from mid November onwards. If you remain subbed from August (something) to Nov 16th you get a free invite to the beta.
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yes i know lol, i was just leading up to asking what people think I17 will be, and I'm excited for I16 and GR, i just wanted to know what everyone thinks I17 will be, keep the replys coming, i like hearing your guys thoughts
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Originally Posted by Lord_Ajax
Turett, you know Going Rogue isn't part of i16, right?
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I assume the source is from the loyalty promotion:|
Originally Posted by SpaceNut
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Keep Your Account Active, Be Rewarded! All City of Heroes® and City of Villains® players who maintain an active account for the time period beginning August 15, 2009 and ending November 15, 2009 will receive a set of special rewards for their loyalty to Paragon City and The Rogue Isles: Closed Beta access* for City of Heroes Going Rogue Exclusive loyalty badges**: "Vigilant" for Heroes and "Determined" for Villains * Going Rogue Closed Beta Access will be granted using a three-tier system:
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I'm not sure a Dev has come out and said that, though, but since I16 should hit around September it sounds reasonable.
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True, but I think players feel entitled to new power sets whether they buy an expansion or not. The real value of GR will be the loads of new content in Praetoria an the ability to bring your Heroes to the Rogue Isles and vice versa with your Villains.
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Originally Posted by LostNinja
If they give away some of the selling points for GR for free less peopple will buy it.
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They also need something in there to get those people who don't want to play a villain (or potentially a neutral character) to buy it. It remains to be seen but I'm betting that the two new power-sets will be GR exclusive.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
True, but I think players feel entitled to new power sets whether they buy an expansion or not. The real value of GR will be the loads of new content in Praetoria an the ability to bring your Heroes to the Rogue Isles and vice versa with your Villains.
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Certainly from a business point that makes most sense.
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My theory is that Heroes and Villains will both have access to Praetoria without going neutral or switching sides, so it will be an incentive for everyone to buy GR.|
Originally Posted by LostNinja
They also need something in there to get those people who don't want to play a villain (or potentially a neutral character) to buy it. It remains to be seen but I'm betting that the two new power-sets will be GR exclusive.
Certainly from a business point that makes most sense. |
If they don't include the powers as part of the regular issue, I'm not sure what non-GR players will get.
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Ok, I didn't think there had been any official word - just more hopeful player speculation.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
I assume the source is from the loyalty promotion:
The logic being that the Closed Beta for GR would start in late November or early December since the program ends on 11/15. I'm not sure a Dev has come out and said that, though, but since I16 should hit around September it sounds reasonable. |
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I'm predicting I17 to be a relatively small issue.
let's look at the past as to why.
I9 - Invention System, Wentworth, overall, possibly the biggest free issue up to that time, I10, RWZ revamp
I12: Midnigher and Cimeora zones, VEATs Gameplay improvements, etc fairly large
I13: day jobs, merits and multiple builds, fairly small
I14: Mission Architect, again, massive issue
I15: mission arcitect re-vamp and 2 new TFs, pretty small issue.
Whenever there's a massive update, the next issue tends to be smaller.
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It really all depends on what you consider a 'massive update'. Are you talking systems or content. I think most people tend to talk content (I know I tend to think of it that way). For instance, I would have classified I9 as a 'smaller' update than I10. I know it was smaller system wise, but there was much more to do.|
Originally Posted by Psyonico
Whenever there's a massive update, the next issue tends to be smaller.
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I've had a vague sense of dissatisfaction with this year's updates so far mostly due to the fact that while they used to (generally) alternate content heavy and system heavy issues this year's releases have all been pretty content light.
So as for me, I'm sincerely hoping that I17 is content heavy, no matter how light it may be as far as new systems go.
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Am I the only one that saw this MMORPG article whilst the forums were down?
From the article:
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That was from a Comicon interview with Matt Miller and Joe Morrissey. Barring any major unforeseen obstacles, looks like i17 will be concurrent with GR as a few others have asserted. Exactly what all will be free versus what will be part of the paid expansion has not been made clear. But that quote makes it pretty clear that i17:GR::i6:CoV.
| The next build after Build #16 is their coming paid expansion, "Going Rogue." As the title hints at, players will have the ability to switch allegiance. Players can walk the line between Hero and Villain, or they can cross it. Two new iconic characters representing "Going Rogue" will be introduced: Maelstrom, a pistol-wielding hero gone rogue, and a Desdemona, a demon-summoning villain who has been redeemed. |
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
We've had shineys since I13. Everyone I know in and out of the game has been complaining about the *lack* of content. We need not one, but a series of content-heavy issues post-GR.
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The one problem I have with the current direction of City of Heroes is that it seems to be a relentless march of "NEW SHINEY!" every single issue since Issue 13 with very little content.
The lack of will to revamp old zones in the favor of consistantly pump out new ones seems like a folly to me (Crey's or otherwise) there's a LOT of content that could do with being rejiggered. almost all pre-CoV story arcs in City of Heroes especially the low level ones (the low level ones really suck, especially sending a level 8 to Perez Park with its MASSIVE SPAWNS! which you're not quite able to deal with yet).
The Hazard zones all need a Faultline/RWZ style revamp.
If the devs must continue the relentless march of "NEW SHINEY" why not revamp one Hero Hazard zone and a new zone for villains which provides an alternate levelling path (you know...one that has sweet bugger all to do with being an Arachnos lackey...).
Also the comment that they want to focus on Taskforces since "You can do the story content with the AE and we want to do stuff you guys can't" (which is what Positron pretty much said on the EU Test server Q&A).
There has been a very distinct lack of decent story content over the last...what...two years (one year possibly, not sure). Normally I tend to disagree with Londoner (an EU poster) on many things but this thing right here is indeed a problem.
Yes we're getting a lot of content with Going Rogue but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the vanilla content, specifically in City of Heroes, sucks monkey nads. The Taskforce commander TFs, the Shadow Shard TFs to name but a few.
Actually, thanks to my super sekrit out of combat sources in NCSoft (Which will hearby be referred to as "DeepNiviene" and "NotCastle", I have been able to learn some information about I17. Namely, that in order to better compete with those "Other" games, NCSoft will be adding a variety of non-combat Archtypes to the game.
The first of these will be the "Super-Chef", a superpowered cook who buffs his friends and hinders his enemies with a variety of tasty treats. Confirmed Powersets include Solar Hands, Solar Gauntlets (Which will only be available to Natural heroes), and Blizzard Hands (Perfect for creating the new Tart IO's).
Meanwhile, two new origins will be added, the Cat Girl (Females only) and the Bishonen (Boys? only). The Origin Power for Cat Girls will be "FEIGN IGNORANCE!", which will cause all enemies in the area to instantly forget about them. Bishonen origins get "Androgyny", which causes enemies special feelings to become all confused.
Finally, a new villain group will come into play, the Liefeldians. A splinter group of the Vahzilok, the Liefeldians are kidnapping people in order to improve them. However, their idea of improving them is to add hundreds of unnecessary muscles to their body, turning them into groutesque freaks.
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Don't forget. They also specialize in removing people's ankles and deforming their feet, making them unable to move any faster than a lumbering shuffle.
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Originally Posted by LiquidX
Finally, a new villain group will come into play, the Liefeldians. A splinter group of the Vahzilok, the Liefeldians are kidnapping people in order to improve them. However, their idea of improving them is to add hundreds of unnecessary muscles to their body, turning them into grotesque freaks.
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I'm thinking that the 5th Column's going to make a full return in I17, but don't quote me on this (because, personally, I really want them to come back). 
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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
Am I the only one that saw this MMORPG article whilst the forums were down?
From the article: That was from a Comicon interview with Matt Miller and Joe Morrissey. Barring any major unforeseen obstacles, looks like i17 will be concurrent with GR as a few others have asserted. Exactly what all will be free versus what will be part of the paid expansion has not been made clear. But that quote makes it pretty clear that i17:GR::i6:CoV. |
They could not talk much more about it other than to say that they would have missions and areas for new characters as well as level 50+ characters. Although we did joke again about Ninja Pirate Monkeys. Yes, the expansion after #16 is Going Rogue... the Space Expansion. This is a joke, readers. No Ninja Pirate Monkeys down the line. Unless of course, the joke is too good not to make true in an April Fool's Day event.
...I forgot what experience means.
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Try reading the whole article then. Context will show you that the "joke part" is about the Ninja Space Pirates... the space expansion deadpan... and Ninja Pirate Monkeys. The author bookends the rather thin amount of reveal with some witty banter provided by the interviewees to convey the laid back tone of the interview and the comicon. Then he wraps it up with a false indifference and a veiled hope that his witty bookends will germinate into the next CoX meme, returning next year on April Fools day.|
Originally Posted by SpaceNut
You seemed to have missed the last paragraph:
They could not talk much more about it other than to say that they would have missions and areas for new characters as well as level 50+ characters. Although we did joke again about Ninja Pirate Monkeys. Yes, the expansion after #16 is Going Rogue... the Space Expansion. This is a joke, readers. No Ninja Pirate Monkeys down the line. Unless of course, the joke is too good not to make true in an April Fool's Day event. |
In other words he was filling space because other than confirming that the next big publish after i16 is currently scheduled to be Going Rogue, he had no new news from comicon.
My original point still stand that there really not need be any debate at this point whether or not i17 is scheduled to be the GR publish. That article confirms Paragon Studios intentions that the next full issue publish will be for GR. Not i18 or i19 as some folks up thread assert.
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Hell I'm not even sure I17 is GR. I mean it's possible but until we get some more concrete word it's premature to speculate.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
I'm confused... "get away" with a content heavy issue? We've been waiting for one of those since I13! We would love a content heavy issue for I18 (since I17 is GR)!
However, since GR will bring a metric buttload of content to the game, I'm pretty sure I18 will be a refinement issue, without too much content. I hope to be proven wrong, though. |
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Actually, rumor has it that EA is sponsering Issue 17, so instead of Nazi's we'll be killing beatniks.
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Originally Posted by Blood_Beret
I17 - Killing Natzi's
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Issue 17: TO THE MOON, ALICE, TO THE MOON!
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