(Market): Poverty is Hard!
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-08-08 14:44 in The Market and Inventions
I'ld prefer a once a year weekend where they took off the ticket cap.
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No, I don't pay that. So, no, I'm not part of the problem. I was just complaining about the problem, not saying I was participating in it. Not exactly sure where you get your facts there, RagManX, but you might need to start looking elsewhere for them. Villain side is completely different than Hero-side. Anyone will tell you that. I can get a Miracle for....NOTHING on Hero side. I've gotten more Miracles +recoveries via ticket rolls and merit rolls than I have actually bought the stupid things. However, that's all on hero side. Villain side, it's another matter. It's hard enough to find a competent team, much less complete TFs on a regular basis to earn merits for the rediculously expensive IOs (which would be pretty much all of them)... Yes, you could bid 14,000 on an expensive IO and hope that someone makes a mistake in posting one for an unbelievable price, and maybe you could pick up that IO next year!|
Originally Posted by RagManX
Ur d0ing it rong!
I bought a level 26 Miracle +recovery crafted IO for 17 million in the past week or two. If you spent the 100 million it typically goes for, then you are the problem, not the seller. Why are you in such a hurry to get every IO you want? If you were to take your time to IO your character, you could do it for 30-60% off what you just spent. RagManX |
Or... You could try offering a solution.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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Originally Posted by AlienOne
I'm certainly not poor (or wasn't poor) after this last double xp weekend....
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Can't call poverty on that one.
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That would be way cool.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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Not sure exactly what you mean here... Are you implying that leveling up a character during double xp weekend isn't "the right thing to do?" That wanting to set out a lvl 50 Brute is an automatic "fail?" Still trying to figure that statement out...|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
With a genius plan like that, I don't see how anything could go wrong.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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If you can't fully IO a single character for 670M with no purples, then you are paying too much for your IOs. If you are paying too much for your IOs, you are part of the problem that is keeping prices high. I have played almost exclusively redside for the past 6 months. I know exactly what the market is like there. I still routinely buy most of the expensive stuff for 50-80% off typical pricing by bidding and waiting 1-3 weeks. The only IOs I have unsuccessfully tried this on redside this year are the +stealth IOs and purples. Yes - I have gotten Numina +rec/+rgn, every version of KB protection, Gaussian's recipes and crafted IOs, and any other expensive non-purple IO I have tried for at half typical price or less. My MA/Nin stalker is soft capped on melee, ranged ,and AoE defense and has a Miracle +rec IO. That was done for under 300M. How can one possibly spend 670M, get no purples, and claim not to be part of the problem of high prices?|
Originally Posted by AlienOne
No, I don't pay that. So, no, I'm not part of the problem. I was just complaining about the problem, not saying I was participating in it. Not exactly sure where you get your facts there, RagManX, but you might need to start looking elsewhere for them. Villain side is completely different than Hero-side. Anyone will tell you that. I can get a Miracle for....NOTHING on Hero side. I've gotten more Miracles +recoveries via ticket rolls and merit rolls than I have actually bought the stupid things. However, that's all on hero side. Villain side, it's another matter. It's hard enough to find a competent team, much less complete TFs on a regular basis to earn merits for the rediculously expensive IOs (which would be pretty much all of them)... Yes, you could bid 14,000 on an expensive IO and hope that someone makes a mistake in posting one for an unbelievable price, and maybe you could pick up that IO next year!
Or... You could try offering a solution. "The One" |
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Shopping for IOs while the market is still going psychotic from the biggest demand spike of the year is a great idea....if you want to run out of inf because you're paying way more than necessary for your goodies.
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Originally Posted by AlienOne
Not sure exactly what you mean here... Are you implying that leveling up a character during double xp weekend isn't "the right thing to do?" That wanting to set out a lvl 50 Brute is an automatic "fail?" Still trying to figure that statement out...
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he's implying that expecting to IO out a brute on the cheap during double XP weekend is a supremely stupid and likely to fail miserably plan.
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Originally Posted by AlienOne
Not sure exactly what you mean here... Are you implying that leveling up a character during double xp weekend isn't "the right thing to do?" That wanting to set out a lvl 50 Brute is an automatic "fail?" Still trying to figure that statement out...
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I don't know what else to say that hasn't been said. Yeah, buying stuff the week after 2XP, and buying enough to fill 50 slots with high-end IO's, is a stupid way to go bankrupt. Maybe you could spend, like, 500 tickets on common midrange tech salvage, put it up for 60K each, and make a few million back to get your feet back under you?
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I didn't even try and ended up makin 120 mil on crafted niche IOs i put up a half year ago that i forgot i even had up. Buying during DXP is something even i do, but never do i buy the popular or expensive sets. Its a recipe for doooooom(tm)!! !
Pre dbl xp, I stocked up on common IO's to slot toons with to prevent the need to buy things, waste tickets and stop to enhance. After it was over I ended up with 3 new 50's and with all the merits/tickets I had I made a nice chunk of inf. I'd say picking up over 200mil while still stashing away IO's I want/need was a decent weekend especially when I didn't even try to make any inf. Next dbl xp OTOH will be a different story.... 
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Again, as I quoted in my original post before (and as I'm stating again here), I'm not a poor person. I never meant to imply that. If I need some money, I'll grind for it, and usually have entirely more than I need within a couple days. On top of that, the original statement WAS (and yes, again, still IS) that I made 50 on a Brute during double xp weekend. I didn't say that I spent all that same day.
My complaint was, and still is, the fact that AE is causing a general spike in prices from before AE. Remember, I posted that I tried to get those things a week after double xp weekend. The prices had already dropped in a huge way since the double xp weekend spike. The point is, they're still high. For any of you who have been around for at least longer than how long AE has been around, you'll know that Obliteration average prices are HIGHER than what purple sets went for before AE!
I'm sure most responses (based on the "you're the problem" "no, YOU'RE to blame" "Whatever you say is PHAIL"-type statements) in this thread will amount to more poo-flinging and fewer actual solutions, so I'll go ahead and bow out to your "superior knowledge" of economics.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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Well. yeah. But thats not the AE's fault specifically.|
Originally Posted by AlienOne
Again, as I quoted in my original post before (and as I'm stating again here), I'm not a poor person. I never meant to imply that. If I need some money, I'll grind for it, and usually have entirely more than I need within a couple days. On top of that, the original statement WAS (and yes, again, still IS) that I made 50 on a Brute during double xp weekend. I didn't say that I spent all that same day.
My complaint was, and still is, the fact that AE is causing a general spike in prices from before AE. Remember, I posted that I tried to get those things a week after double xp weekend. The prices had already dropped in a huge way since the double xp weekend spike. The point is, they're still high. For any of you who have been around for at least longer than how long AE has been around, you'll know that Obliteration average prices are HIGHER than what purple sets went for before AE! I'm sure most responses (based on the "you're the problem" "no, YOU'RE to blame" "Whatever you say is PHAIL"-type statements) in this thread will amount to more poo-flinging and fewer actual solutions, so I'll go ahead and bow out to your "superior knowledge" of economics. "The One" |
More specifically, its the fault of 2 things.
1: the devs capped tickets to 1500 a map. therefore on the average farm, you end up with way more influence than you do tickets proportionally because it takes about a fourth of a farm map to cap out on tickets..meanwhile you dont cap out on influence, so you get way less actual reward than you would on a real farm
2: people either hoard tickets for gold or silver rolls, or just plain dont use their tickets at the market, leading to shortages on salvage and recipes that would have dropped normally.
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I can talk red-side. I've bought an entire set and a half of purple IOs for less than 100M each. And I'm not talking crap ones, either.
Time is just as important a currency in the market as inf. is.
As has been said--if you elect to purchase something for 250M instead of 75M and 24 hours, that's your own choice and not something anyone here is likely to over-sympathize with.
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Theres that as well. Prices rise because someone is willing to pay those prices. If people learned patience and bargain hunting prices would drop .
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I can talk red-side. I've bought an entire set and a half of purple IOs for less than 100M each. And I'm not talking crap ones, either.
Time is just as important a currency in the market as inf. is. As has been said--if you elect to purchase something for 250M instead of 75M and 24 hours, that's your own choice and not something anyone here is likely to over-sympathize with. |
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If an item has not sold after 60 days, it is nuked from the system. Unless you pulled them on day 59 and relisted them, they would have been gone. If you did pull/relist them, then you couldn't have "forgot" about them.|
Originally Posted by Not_Epsilon
I didn't even try and ended up makin 120 mil on crafted niche IOs i put up a half year ago that i forgot i even had up.
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If the said items did stay longer than 60 days, then this is obviously a bug in the market system and should be /bug reported.
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actually, they got rid of that.
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Originally Posted by Pheonyx
If an item has not sold after 60 days, it is nuked from the system. Unless you pulled them on day 59 and relisted them, they would have been gone. If you did pull/relist them, then you couldn't have "forgot" about them.
If the said items did stay longer than 60 days, then this is obviously a bug in the market system and should be /bug reported. Ashes to ashes, Pheonyx |
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First off let me commend you on making me hungry after I just ate breakfast with your delicious name. The other point is that most people are lazy and don't want to go through the hassle of selling so they'd rather stay poor and continue to complain like little girls.
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Poverty is tough!
I'm no Marketeer. I'm a Casual Player. I don't flip, stack, reflip, steat Inf transfers or use ebil tricks of Market PvP. I don't use sugar daddy characters, farm the uber-maps or enter costume contests. I just play the game normally, and sell my drops for a reasonable price at the Market. Usually at less than 2/3rds the average of the Last Five. Except for what's truly Vendor Trash and wouldn't likely sell even if I listed it for negative influence.  I set my characters up with decent Set IO's. Not Purples, and not usually the best non-purple sets either, but good sets. I run in SG mode at all times. And yet, I still can't figure out how people can be poor if they just defeat the little pixellated pinatas and gather up the drops that fall into thier inventory. After all this laziness I described above, I still end up with millions when I hit that final ding, and heaven help me, it's worse if I continue playing after that ding, to finish the contact's arc or such. Poverty eludes me.  |
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I find myself poor often I agree I make plenty under normal conditions. however the bm lately is far from normal and requires immediate dev intervention they should flood the market with everything to kill the farmers that have the billions and keep buying then flipping salvage at rediculous prices like ... 1,000,000 for a hydraulic piston hello?!? I can understand a panacea recipe +hitpoints +end costing a lot because of its rareness but 500 million?!? nothing in game should cost that much.
we need intervention please
or if not please make the bm zones PvP'able and show the names of those hiking the prices so I may at least be the hand of justice and retribution
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The prices are crazy becausse we just had a 2xp weekend and everybody and their sister wants to outfit their new lvl 50s NAO.|
Originally Posted by MsMisery
I find myself poor often I agree I make plenty under normal conditions. however the bm lately is far from normal and requires immediate dev intervention they should flood the market with everything to kill the farmers that have the billions and keep buying then flipping salvage at rediculous prices like ... 1,000,000 for a hydraulic piston hello?!? I can understand a panacea recipe +hitpoints +end costing a lot because of its rareness but 500 million?!? nothing in game should cost that much.
we need intervention please or if not please make the bm zones PvP'able and show the names of those hiking the prices so I may at least be the hand of justice and retribution |
If you wanna pvp people, pvp all the new lvl 50's, theyre causing the price hikes, not us.
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Originally Posted by Pheonyx
If an item has not sold after 60 days, it is nuked from the system. Unless you pulled them on day 59 and relisted them, they would have been gone. If you did pull/relist them, then you couldn't have "forgot" about them.
If the said items did stay longer than 60 days, then this is obviously a bug in the market system and should be /bug reported. Ashes to ashes, Pheonyx |
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Originally Posted by Cavatina
actually, they got rid of that.
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Sellers already face steep monetary and opportunity costs for overpricing their wares. i don't think a proposed 60-day erasement penalty is needed.
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Please tell me you are kidding. I regularly buy hydraulic pistons in large quantities on redside as I use them in mass producing Recharge Reduction IOs. I never, ever, pay more than 1,111 for each one. I see them regularly sell for 500 or less. I pay more, because the time is worth it to me. |
Originally Posted by MsMisery
I find myself poor often I agree I make plenty under normal conditions. however the bm lately is far from normal and requires immediate dev intervention they should flood the market with everything to kill the farmers that have the billions and keep buying then flipping salvage at rediculous prices like ... 1,000,000 for a hydraulic piston hello?!? I can understand a panacea recipe +hitpoints +end costing a lot because of its rareness but 500 million?!? nothing in game should cost that much.
we need intervention please or if not please make the bm zones PvP'able and show the names of those hiking the prices so I may at least be the hand of justice and retribution |
If you are seeing 1M sales for hydraulic pistons--point and laugh, and put a bid in for 500. If that was you...that was a decision you made yourself, and you can't blame anyone else.
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Yep. if it doesnt sell within 60 days you were already taking a bath on fees.
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Originally Posted by Space_Goat
Sellers already face steep monetary and opportunity costs for overpricing their wares. i don't think a proposed 60-day erasement penalty is needed.
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i am admittedly new to this game, but i'm clearly doing something wrong. i've got 3 50s and none of them have over $30 mil inf. granted, i have done my best to keep them tricked out all along, but i still haven't managed many purples on any of them. i'm not a farmboy. my 50s all have between 150-200 badges. i play solo often because my schedule doesn't often permit me to commit to a team. when i team, it's largely tfs, because i want the badges (almost got my PJ and TFC on all three 50s) i've only seen half a dozen purple drops in the 5 months i've been here. so how is it when i'm playing regularly, playing dev content, using the market appropriately (i have some understanding of economics 101- buy low, sell high, don't be in a hurry) i'm NOT getting rich? what am i doing wrong?
*smirk*
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