(Market): Poverty is Hard!

People are only poor relative to the super elite stuff...which is bid up as a result of RMT created and purchased inf. All the extra inf purchased from the RMTs that is spent on the elite stuff does get spread out on lower demand items thus raising costs of everything, but supply is appears generally adequate to keep inflation under control for most common items..

The flippers and ebil marketeers ARE contributing to price increases as they are creating the motive for people to use RMTs. All accused are guilty to contributing to any perceived problems in the market. The statements made by the self proclaimed ebils demonstrates a lack of accountabilty. Nonetheless, the current system allow Ebil marketering, so it's not really their fault. Where the opportunity exists, there will be profit.

Erm...

Is not our fault.

I just liquidated my common salvage blue and red side from personal storage... mebbe 100 pieces Blue and 150 Red. Listed everything for 11 Inf... it all sold. Net Gain: ~1.25 mil blue, ~1.75 mil red.

It is NOT the marketeers.

I do not think your one example is sufficent to prove that point. If anything, you only supprted my statement. If ALL ebils did what you did, what would happen? (Impossible to do, but nonetheless, it's the opposing argument.)

I think it's a combination of Ebils, RMT'ers and greedy players...with each pointing fingers at the other two.

But alas, my analysis will always fall of deaf ears in this forum.

Well, that's because it doesn't make any sense.

Accountability?

The system was intentionally made for market pvp. Its capitalism, if you dont like supply and demand determining prices, then buy your SOs from the vendors and stop whining. Nobody forces people to use RMT. The only reason you would possibly need RMT is if you're too goddamned lazy to earn your own money. RMT's reward laziness, nothing less, nothing more. changing the market wont keep lazy people from being lazy.

and while we're on the subject, why does everyone who is anti-market have this crazy-*** notion that a market is supposed to work like some sort of communal lovefest yet generally speak in the same conspiracy theorist tone as the average moron in the real world who decries socialism as evil and trumpets capitalism at every turn?

conspiracy theorists who are confused by numbers.

'Tis true, which is exactly the way things are supposed to work. There's another thread talking about what it means to be rich and the relativity of the term is explained there quite well. Of course there are expensive items, but if there weren't, what would I have to spend my influence on? Not everybody has the ambition to build their own base, which is something that I rather enjoy, but creates quite a price tag because my SG is one i run by myself and fund mostly by converting influence to prestige.

I may not have as much influence as Bill Gates, as it were, but I only need as much as it takes to make me feel rich. With time, there isn't anything in this game I haven't been able to acquire.

Fiddle faddle. Have you noticed what's been happening to RMTers? The amount of influence they sell has increased dramatically. If memory serves correctly, I last saw 1,000 million (One Billion for those who aren't good with numbers) influence was being sold for around $40. If they had the monopoly on influence generation, they wouldn't be doing this and would still be charging the same price for 100 million. The general populace is also generating more influence than ever before with MA farms. With how quickly you can gain levels running AE farms, it almost makes me wonder if RMTs aren't becoming a bit obsolete in this game.

Sheesh, where do you get this silliness? Accountability is just a synonym for control in this context, and I don't know who you think you are to be the one who determines what is fair in this game. Capitalism is all about individual liberty to be able to pursue a goal in the way that individual sees fit. Natural law will lead him to find out whether his course will ultimately get him there and leaves him with the additional freedom to alter his course if needed. What you seem to want is control, not realizing that when there is disproportionate control, it limits you just as much as it does anybody else and only makes life more difficult. Instead of whining about the market, why not play the market. It is not a difficult system to figure out.

The intricacies of market control have been talked about over and over again on this forum. The bottom line is that the market works best when the individuals engaging in the market set the rules. If there is inflation in the market, it is because there is more money moving through it which means an increased opportunity to snag your own portion of it. The goods traded in this game are not a static pie that is divided and subdivided amongst the players, but is a pie that is continually expanding due to player activity. You too can have a purpled warshade and any one of us would be more than happy to tell you how if you're interested in learning.

I might get some flack for saying as much, but we are not as ebil in this forum as we would sometimes like to think. Though we do have our moments when we like to toy with the system.

Probably something crazy like all the bids for luck charms would be filled, the price would drop precipitously, and then 2 weeks later it would be back around where it started, proving the the ebil marketeers are not the reason the price is what it is.

But that's likely never going to happen.

RagManX

I used it not as a singular example, but an example in extremis.

Any time I list common salvage, it's for 11 (minimum with fees that I make a profit on). I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen that salvage bought for 11. The marketeers (I being a lazy one) take advantage of lazyness... By buying low, and listing higher for the impatient crafter, buying low and then reselling during higher demand (flipping?), or buying recipes cheap, crafting, and selling expensive IO's (my lazy method).

I'd say the worst thing for the markets right now are those doing buisness with the RMT'ers and gaining exorbitant amounts of inf, and the effective 4:1 inf:ticket gains due to the over-use of AE and low ticket caps.



But, then again, you can always stick your head in the sand, screaming out of the mouth you've left in the air "It's ALL THE EEBIL MARKETEERS FAULT!!?!?!!!!!!111!111!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!111"

It's your game, and your $15/month. have fun.

My last three 50s dinged 50, burned their merits and the poorest wound up with 150M left over (of course, she did have a LoTG, Miracle, and Numina's slotted that didn't go on the market).

I've basically stopped trying to make money on the market because it isn't worth the trouble. I run TFs not because I like to grind, but because they're fun so I wind up with enough crap to sell that I have everything I want.

Actually it is funny. And y'know what? Everyone else is too nice to let you have it square in the chops but I lack that level of restraint. You are the problem. Go look in the mirror. If there is a person in CoX responsible for high priced items, it is you and those like you.

You come here and whine about people jacking up prices artificially and then admit to paying said inflated prices, which makes you a, say it with me now, hypocrite. You say one thing and do another. You whine about exorbitant prices, and then you pay those prices. Anything in the world is worth only what someone else is willing to pay for it. If you're willing to pay 1 mil for a hydraulic piston (and I don't give a flying flip how you justify it to yourself) then a hydraulic piston is worth 1 mil. Man, until now I've never been one to take advantage of folks and do something like that but now I feel like I've missed out. Luckily, I also lack compunction so I'm definitely going to have a rarely played alt put up some stuff at crazy high prices.

You wanna stop high prices? Stop paying them. Or, barring that, stop coming here and whining about a "problem" you're contributing to. It's like a cokehead complaining about people selling drugs.

WTH? That's crazy talk! Hydraulic Pistons are worth 1 mil. Stop trying to kill my buzz, dammit!

OMG, Eran_, where do I send the bill? I need a new keyboard, thanks to you. By the way, is that the mouth that emits the strange odors?

8 AE Tickets for a random Tech Common roll. Just do an AE arc (Farm, non-farm, whatever) and hit the random button until you get what you want.
If you somehow manage to fill your salvage pockets before getting four of what you want, then sell the other stuff. I sincerely doubt that only one of the salvage items in that group would be jacked up. You should then be able to buy what you need.

Trying to reason with someone dumb enough to spend 4 million on common salvage isnt likely to work.

Theyre like those morons I used to see all the time when i worked at a gas station who would roll in with their expensive gas guzzling SUVs or Humvees with ironic (to me when theyre using such a costly on gas vehicle, anyhow) support the troop's bumper stickers, then complain to me about how they were spending 100 dollars at the gas pump just to fill their vehicle up. (as if I forced them to buy the most fuel inefficient vehicles on the earth)

Sounds like more of a conspiracy hobbyist to me.

2XP has lead to some crazy stuff, hasn't it. I had a dozen or more identical crafted IOs from levels 40-42, listed for 80-105% of last-5 pricing. They sat literally for weeks before 2XP week-end with no more than 1 sale every 10-20 days. The week after 2XP, 6 of them sold for around 175% last-5 price. That someone would bid 17M for something typically selling for 10-12M without at least trying a bid around what was successful in the past just boggles my mind. I'm happy to take their money, but really don't mind if they just pay around what I'm looking to sell for.

RagManX