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So it's like 300, then, only worse? Well, at least that "What does it accelerate" commercial was hilariously bad, even if it didn't get to the "Dine in Hell" meme levels.
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Originally Posted by WingedAvenger
The script for this movie must have been written on a dare. That's the only sensible explanation I can come up with for what this was. ... It's a two-hour long video game.
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WARNING. SPOILER. LIKE IT MATTERS. REALLY. HONESTLY.
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Pretty much why I had a sinking feeling as the opening credits read, "In association with Hasbro." It may as well have said, "In association with Mattel, Applause, or Bandai."|
Originally Posted by Tech_Striker
I hate to break it to the people who are complaining about it not being the GI Joe they grew up but this movie wasn't really aimed at you. Like the Transformers movie it is aimed at the current generation of kids. These movies are really for nothing more then moving merchandise(ie toy lines) to kids. Sure there are little things in there for the previous generation of fans, little in jokes and sayings, but you weren't the target. Most of the actors who were not familure with previous incarnations of GI Joe were actually told NOT to research the previous stuff because this wasn't the same. Welcome to reality and the Hollywood marketing machine, leave your childhood at the door.
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But to keep in line with the position (that it was marketing toy lines to kids), did it not disturb anyone that the 2 hour commercial had a woman gutted like a fish fairly early on while her male superior officer walked away with a flesh wound in comparison. They were in the same office.. come on. They didn't need him. Unless they did but then again, I fell asleep if you recall.
And no, I'm not at all offended by sex, violence, or language. And I don't even bat an eye at most gratuitous displays but I hate being insulted. <sarcasm> Eww.. they're so badass.. it went all the way through...she didn't have a fighting chance. </sarcasm>
Not to mention what they're teaching kids about ice these days... So I'm asleep, right? I wake up long enough to fight back the elbow poking my ribs and look up, bleary-eyed, to see some kind of attempt to destroy something.. not sure what.. with ice. The guys a few rows behind me were carrying a conversation that went like this:
"So, in this universe, ice sinks?"
"Buahahahaha."
I felt like the 20 minutes ( yeah, I saw more, but I was inserting my own dialogue) I saw were catering not to kids.. noooes. It was catering to the folks in AE who wanted a backstory for their new level 50 ice tank.
<anticipates hate mail and dons the camouflage suit>
It was ice made with heavy water.
/e tap dances out.
Let us stifle under mud at the pond's edge
and affirm that it is fitting
and delicious to lose everything. ~ Donald Hall
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Originally Posted by Rookery.
It was ice made with heavy water.
/e tap dances out. |
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Is this like, Women in Refrigerators-style "Thanks for showing up, GTFO now" ?
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Originally Posted by Angry_Angel
But to keep in line with the position (that it was marketing toy lines to kids), did it not disturb anyone that the 2 hour commercial had a woman gutted like a fish fairly early on while her male superior officer walked away with a flesh wound in comparison. They were in the same office.. come on. They didn't need him. Unless they did but then again, I fell asleep if you recall.
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You know what, the Original Creator of G.I. JOE, loved the movie, said he's seen it 5 times now. He also said: Those that hate on it, need to get over themselves.
You know, I kinda agree with him, I enjoyed it, I liked all the various nods to various things, but knew it was like a reboot.
So, get over it
JJ
I delete more 50s, then you'll ever have.
http://www.pandora.com/people/jjdemon
True to lore or not, I took my kids to see it and we all had a good time. That is what matters most, so this one gets a thumbs up.
Yeah, the acting was a bit wonky, plot holes abound, but!
It was what it was supposed to be, a fun forget-about-your-troubles, exciting summer action picture, nothing more, nothing less. I had a great time, and I would enjoy a sequel.
I'm glad the studio declined to screen it for critics before release, all they would have done is slam it hard while they stuffed their fat ***** with expensive cheese and wine.
Not every movie has to be an academy award winning formula with overpaid actors.
Go Joe Yo.
I found the movie to be quite entertaining, in spite of the differences from Joe lore. By now nobody should be surprised that Hollywood has problems with staying true to source material. All I hope for from a movie is that it will entertain me for a while, and this one did, so I decree it a successful movie.
Not an award winner, but it did what it was supposed to do.
I find it funny how some folks haven't figured out that a hollywood movie will never follow the "known" history on anything...unless its filmed during the event, and even then I doubt the story is actually true.
Look up Historical films, find a top 10 list, then compare the movie to the history....
such as:
http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/be...-or-people.asp
the only two even close to the event where done by Spielberg, and he did the films to prove to the academy that he could make historic films, with almost zero fictional content.
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Did we watch the same movie? The Joes were good. Cobra was evil. Destro was an arms dealer, Zartan a master of disguise. The Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow rivalry was there. All the backstabbing in Cobra was there.|
Originally Posted by Commander_NA
Understood that the term GI Joe has had many different backgrounds, except I'm not talking about anything other than the Habsro/Marvel storyline, which the movie is supposed to follow (ie: the trademarked and owned property of Hasbro, Inc.)
GI Joe and Cobra have a set history, all of which every other Marvel/Hasbro (even Dark Horse) fed off of. GI Joe is Good; Cobra is Bad. Except this time, this movie, they changed it. They changed the whole history. The changed everything that made the Marvel/Hasbro line unique. Even the GI Joe: Resolute series fed off what is considered GI Joe canon, then turning Duke evil and having him join Cobra. Even the original GI Joe from Hasbro (the 12 inch doll) had a story that evolved into the Marvel Comics era. But, this movie, though it made some brief mentions to some childhood references, did not do the story of the formation of GI Joe and Cobra any justice. I mean, if you are going to tell the story, you tell it the tried and true way. The lore of GI Joe never changed... |
Are you complaining about the tweaks to Baroness and Duke? A third string character like Ripcord?! For crying out loud, we got a Sargent Slaughter cameo! Who cares if the Joes had matching outfits in the first movie, and some backgrounds were tweaked. (Would you rather Cobra Commander was a used car salesman?!) You're making this out to be a lot worse than it was
I'll give you Cobra Commander's goofball mask though, but they even went so far as to give Destro a mask right out of the comics at the end.
As far as the GI Joe canon goes, I can think of at LEAST three different explanations (And that's in addition to the one in the movie.) from various cartoons and comics as to why Snake Eyes doesn't talk, and I've read a fraction of the comics that were listed earlier in the thread.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
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The same can be said for people ruining a perfect formula. Case and Point: "New Coke." The only problem is when a movie bombs (or doesn't do well with the critics) they don't get a chance to remake it. They don't get to say, "Well, let's reintroduce you to Coke Classic!" The only exception to a failure of a movie to be remade is "Hulk."|
Originally Posted by Mariel_Martog
I find it funny how some folks haven't figured out that a hollywood movie will never follow the "known" history on anything...unless its filmed during the event, and even then I doubt the story is actually true.
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Now, my personal problem with the movie is just that.. a personal one. Back in the early 80's I was lucky to live close to the Rhode Island/Massachusetts state line and was lucky enough to have an aunt that worked for Hasbro. I, along with about 100 of other kids, were "toy testers" for the GI Joe (and transformers) lines. We got to test the products that we thought worked. Remember, with Hasbro, it was a toy before they licensed their comic book.
The things that made GI Joe popular was the things that we helped decide on. Sure, looking back, an orange and purple tank was goofy, but it was the 80's.
But the things that we were asked to decide on were things that were "inspiring" to us. Things that taught a good message. Things that made you say, "I want to join the Army because GI Joe made me believe in freedom."
Looking at this movie, the point is lost. There is nothing inspiring. There is nothing to see and say, "Hey, I want to join the Army because GI Joe made me believe in Freedom." There is no good and evil in this movie because the "Joe's" do as much harm as they do good. (Mainly putting civilians in harms way instead of protecting them.)
Now, if they called this movie "Bizzarro GI Joe" I'd think the concept was done well.
pohsyb: so of all people you must be most excited about the veats
Arachnos Commander: actually, I am
pohsyb: I mean you kinda were one already anyways ^_^
Arachnos Commander:
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What's wrong with Cobra Commander having been a used car dealer? Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer before he was President. The idea is that the original story, albeit far fetched, had merit (in the GI Joe universe.)|
Originally Posted by Agonus
Did we watch the same movie? The Joes were good. Cobra was evil. Destro was an arms dealer, Zartan a master of disguise. The Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow rivalry was there. All the backstabbing in Cobra was there.
Are you complaining about the tweaks to Baroness and Duke? A third string character like Ripcord?! For crying out loud, we got a Sargent Slaughter cameo! Who cares if the Joes had matching outfits in the first movie, and some backgrounds were tweaked. (Would you rather Cobra Commander was a used car salesman?!) You're making this out to be a lot worse than it was I'll give you Cobra Commander's goofball mask though, but they even went so far as to give Destro a mask right out of the comics at the end. As far as the GI Joe canon goes, I can think of at LEAST three different explanations (And that's in addition to the one in the movie.) from various cartoons and comics as to why Snake Eyes doesn't talk, and I've read a fraction of the comics that were listed earlier in the thread. |
The background were not 'tweaked'. They were paved over. Cobra Commander WAS NOT the brother of the Baroness. The Baroness wasn't the fiancee' of Duke. Duke wasn't every going to be brothers with Cobra Commander.
But I can see where people would rather smile and nod because culture has dumbed down things to the point where it's okay to ignore canon.
Let me ask you this:
If CoH totally broke canon and rewrote the entire thing to the point where it was nothing like we've learned, would you be happy? Or should I just say, "Hmm.. you've played for 5 years and pumped your money into this product... too bad! They aren't making this for you anymore... it's now marketed to a whole new demographic. Get over it."
pohsyb: so of all people you must be most excited about the veats
Arachnos Commander: actually, I am
pohsyb: I mean you kinda were one already anyways ^_^
Arachnos Commander:
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Originally Posted by Commander_NA
What's wrong with Cobra Commander having been a used car dealer? Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer before he was President. The idea is that the original story, albeit far fetched, had merit (in the GI Joe universe.)
The background were not 'tweaked'. They were paved over. Cobra Commander WAS NOT the brother of the Baroness. The Baroness wasn't the fiancee' of Duke. Duke wasn't every going to be brothers with Cobra Commander. But I can see where people would rather smile and nod because culture has dumbed down things to the point where it's okay to ignore canon. Let me ask you this: If CoH totally broke canon and rewrote the entire thing to the point where it was nothing like we've learned, would you be happy? Or should I just say, "Hmm.. you've played for 5 years and pumped your money into this product... too bad! They aren't making this for you anymore... it's now marketed to a whole new demographic. Get over it." |
Umm if they made COH movie they would... granted like in the other "Based on" films it would be familiar but different.
Personally as a child during the 80's and having a father who worked for the US Intelligence community. When i would play "GI Joe" with my friends I would play Cobra and I did play them as Backed by the USSR, and I would always kill the "Hostages" usually "Star wars" figures and a camping cooker....What i am saying those of us who played with "GI Joe" and had any understanding of the world realized that "Hasbro" was making the show a little to nice.
Mean while Marines where dieing in Beirut, passenger faeries where being Hi-Jacked, bombs going off in Airports, and the USSR was invading Afghanistan. and these news stories would come on TV 30 mins after GI Joe.
So this time the folks at Hasbro and the film writers made GI-Joe international, made the soap opera relationships. That is what happens in films. Personally I like the way they did it, Destro becomes the Mastermind Villain who Hires a genius to build a better weapon, and this time M.A.R.S. is funded by every country in the world, including the USA.
this time Cobra Isn't yet an organization with a name, and the evil baddies are a secrete division of M.A.R.S.
Theses are changes I can live with. just like the Changes in the X-Men and Spiderman Movies, not so differant from Blade when it came out.
and did you like 300? Beowulf? Superman? Watchmen? all of these where changed from the source material.
granted Watchmen was fairly close, and the changes worked Very Nicely.
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So it's true to the cartoon?
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Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
Looks like a commercial for hasbro products
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Forum Game: Lower the Rep
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Originally Posted by MOUT__
So it's true to the cartoon?
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pohsyb: so of all people you must be most excited about the veats
Arachnos Commander: actually, I am
pohsyb: I mean you kinda were one already anyways ^_^
Arachnos Commander:
The whole reason for seeing the movie is Snake Eyes, to hell with the rest of the boring material.
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Originally Posted by Tyrantula
Yeah, the acting was a bit wonky, plot holes abound, but!
It was what it was supposed to be, a fun forget-about-your-troubles, exciting summer action picture, nothing more, nothing less. I had a great time, and I would enjoy a sequel. I'm glad the studio declined to screen it for critics before release, all they would have done is slam it hard while they stuffed their fat ***** with expensive cheese and wine. Not every movie has to be an academy award winning formula with overpaid actors. Go Joe Yo. |
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Almost every line in the movie was delivered in the same way as that scene in the commercial. The movie has a cheesy, self-aware tone to it that made me giggle internally at things. All these bad lines feel set up on purpose.|
Originally Posted by sidney_b
So it's like 300, then, only worse? Well, at least that "What does it accelerate" commercial was hilariously bad, even if it didn't get to the "Dine in Hell" meme levels.
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It's a really fun movie. A terrible movie, but a really, really fun one. And I'm going to maintain that stance. It's right up there alongside the VanDamme Street Fighter flick, same tone, same writing style, same sort of loose characterizations based on the originals, with the required nods to parts of the franchise. I'll probably rent it a few times to force people to watch it, just like I do for that. It's worth that much. I love movies like that.
Transformers would be a lot more fun if it were like this. Less "epic" and "serious", but I don't know why people want Transformers to be like that anyway. It... doesn't work terribly well when they ask me to take Starscream seriously.
Animation major and old-school CoHer.
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Originally Posted by Commander_NA
But I can see where people would rather smile and nod because culture has dumbed down things to the point where it's okay to ignore canon.
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Is dumbing that down even possible?
Sorry, I know that's a bit outspoken in this thread seeing as quite a few of you seem to be big fans of the various incarnations (and more power to you, etc,) and maybe it's because I'm not American that the series doesn't hard-wire itself into the patriotism-centre of my brain but... even as a kid I wouldn't touch the show. And that was back when I could be entertained by turning a lightbulb on and off really fast while moving my hand to see it suddenly teleport from one position to another.
(Also, it'd be "dumbed things down" but now I'm just getting picky)
The Elysienne; Magical controller
Silent Sickle; Natural scrapper
And many more.
Aenigma Rebis: "Actually, Ely's more like Jean Grey. Only... smart."
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In the grand scheme of GI Joe, I don't see how the changes to Duke, Baroness, and Cobra Commander's -pasts- affect the overall concept of GI Joe fighting Cobra for the fate of whathaveyou. |
Originally Posted by Commander_NA
What's wrong with Cobra Commander having been a used car dealer? Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer before he was President. The idea is that the original story, albeit far fetched, had merit (in the GI Joe universe.)
The background were not 'tweaked'. They were paved over. Cobra Commander WAS NOT the brother of the Baroness. The Baroness wasn't the fiancee' of Duke. Duke wasn't every going to be brothers with Cobra Commander. But I can see where people would rather smile and nod because culture has dumbed down things to the point where it's okay to ignore canon. Let me ask you this: If CoH totally broke canon and rewrote the entire thing to the point where it was nothing like we've learned, would you be happy? Or should I just say, "Hmm.. you've played for 5 years and pumped your money into this product... too bad! They aren't making this for you anymore... it's now marketed to a whole new demographic. Get over it." |
To answer your question, I'd expect something to be changed in a CoH movie. There are never direct translations when a movie is made. And to be honest, even though I've played this game on and off for like 4 years, I couldn't even tell you much about the Freedom Phalanx other than the basics of Statesman's and Synapse's origins. As long as the basics are kept, what's the big deal?
I still think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. To me, the changes made to the characters in GI Joe (considering everything they got -right-) aren't that big a deal. More like making Ghost Rider the Devil's bounty hunter (which makes sense, even though the movie wasn't so good) than the complete mess they made of Catwoman.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
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Film is good if you ignore the requirements for plot and/or canon-linked sense, same as just about every other TV series/Comic based film of the past decade (seriously folks, there were only about three that stayed on the ball for the whole thing).|
Originally Posted by Flea_Mark_Evil
If you're watching this movie for any reason other than attractive female forms in skintight leather.....
Then I pity you. Hooray for Baroness! *Goes to bury face in cleavage* |
Also....Reputation and comments totally lulzworthy folks. 'Pretentious snot'? Haha.
-tl:dr version
Generic Summer action movie involving guns, explosion, ham acting and attractive women in rather snug and tight outfits.
If that makes me pretentious then you may want to go back into hibernation for the next Harry Potter film.
Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!
Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!
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It's not quite pretentiousness if it's not an affectation.
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Originally Posted by Flea_Mark_Evil
Film is good if you ignore the requirements for plot and/or canon-linked sense, same as just about every other TV series/Comic based film of the past decade (seriously folks, there were only about three that stayed on the ball for the whole thing).
Also....Reputation and comments totally lulzworthy folks. 'Pretentious snot'? Haha. -tl:dr version Generic Summer action movie involving guns, explosion, ham acting and attractive women in rather snug and tight outfits. If that makes me pretentious then you may want to go back into hibernation for the next Harry Potter film. |
The script for this movie must have been written on a dare. That's the only sensible explanation I can come up with for what this was. I have seen some people call this movie a two-hour long toy commercial. I disagree. It's a two-hour long video game.
After an intro that has almost nothing to do with the rest of the movie, we meet Duke and his sidekick Ripcord. They're trying to transport warheads full of nano-bots that can eat metal. Then bad guys show up and try to steal them, but they're working for Destro, who already owns them. He wants to use them to destroy major cities... for some reason. It's largely incomprehensible. Anyway, they get saved by the forces of G.I. Joe, which is a secretive military outfit that everyone knows about and employs thousands of people. But it's a secret. Duke and Ripcord join up with their new friends and have a good ol' time fighting the Baroness and Stormshadow in locations around the world.
I'll spare you any other details, mostly because it's pretty much all a CGI blur. This movie never lets up on the pacing, and races to get from one action sequence to the next. It's a little exhausting. There's very little in the way of character development, and no one in the cast really stands out. There's no really good "gotcha" moments or memorable lines. And in the last 10 minutes or so, the whole thing really just drives off the cliff in terms of how cheesy and ridiculous it gets.
A definite theme of the movie is technology, and how cool it is and how everyone has it. Every scene is filled with gadgets, computers, vehicles, and weapons that are so highly advanced, they would make Bill Gates cry if they actually existed. A lot of what they use mimics superpowers, which I suppose makes defying the laws of physics easier, as that happens a lot too.
Now, if you like big, bombastic, blowy-upy action movies, you'll like G.I. Joe. But take heed: it's a constant, noisy assault on the senses. I recommend sneaking some beer into the theater. It might help take the edge off a little bit.