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That may be true.. but that still doesn't make the troll right. Call me old fasion, but I DON'T think stupid is cool now... I DO think that some self respect and manners can go a long way and I DO believe in second chances... third, forth and fifth chances are a no go though xD
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Originally Posted by Smurch
You're an internet troll's wet dream.
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When all hope seems to have drifted away.. and the shadows of death creep closer. Do not fear or cower.. do not make peace or seek salvation. For I will be there, supporting your movement. So give me your pain, weakness, despair, fear and doubt.. The Light will grant you another stand.
Free speech is easy to defend when it's something you believe in..
Honestly.. the first guy you should of reported.. let him deal with a GM over it.. the group in the CC.. well.. nothing you can really do but ask them to maybe take it to a private chat..
Saddly.. people have the right to be idiots.. and if you think THAT was bad.. try playing Halo 3 or Call of Duty on X-Box live and listen to the sheer vulgarity coming out of the mouths of the CHILDREN playing there..
You can't stop people from being jerks.. just be a better person.. and raise your kids to be better people..
Sometimes you just have to make the effort to remove yourself from the situation, since not always do you find people willing to accomodate to another person's standards.
Another option would be to ask the group leader to kick the idiot.
If one member of a group is making another member of a group upset because of what they're chatting about, it's the group leader's responsibility to ask them to stop, and failing that, kick them. That's part of what the star means; you resolve conflicts between group members. Sure, you might lose a potential friend - but most people don't want someone who's both a pedo and a jerk as a potential friend.
The real question being asked is poorly presented - the 'pedophile' label is skewing responses because of the prejudices society gives us. There's a kneejerk reaction of 'hang the pedo' The real question I see is how to deal with offensive content. What defines offensive is different for everyone.
Please note that I'm not a pedophile or saying that it's OK to be one.
For me, anything religious is intensely offensive, and I mean to an abnormal degree. I view folks who cite chapter and verse as child abusers. I think they subject their own children to cult indoctrination before they can think for themselves. However, I'm aware it's an irrational and -personal- reaction that most people don't share. Maybe we should all take a step back and consider that 'offensive' is relative.
The pedo from the first example was intentionally trying to offend people. The people discussing a video game which incidentally involved child killing weren't necessarily trolling. They were discussing something which offended Ximmys personal tastes, but that's not the same thing; if there were multiple people in broadcast interested in the conversation then broadcast was an appropriate place for it, and if not it's just a matter of saying 'could you take it to tells?'.
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Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Sweet and innocent babies? Give me a break. Kids are nothing more than reflections of society with primitive logical capacity, they can be just as malicious and bitter as any adult can, in some cases, worse. I think you need to get out more and re-examine your biases.
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Originally Posted by Major_Glory
Unfortunately you can't fix stupid.
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However since there happen to be children playing this game too, I'd feel totally justified to report the offending party to the mods and keep reporting until I got some type of response via e-mail to confirm they were aware of the situation. The game is rated T for Teen, don-cha-know.
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I'm not a sexual deviant in any way, and I don't condone child abuse.
But.. yeah, you need to get over it. It's the internet. He is probably a 15 yo. saying it for shock value.
You overreacting and getting personally offended by strangers online gave him exactly the incentive to continue.
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Originally Posted by Ximmy
Apparently, I just need to get over it...
I just need to get over being a decent human being.... A few days ago, I am on a team where a member says "Statement indicating he is a pedophile?" So I say, "umm, ok, can we please not talk about this? This is inappropriate, and as I have children, I am uncomfortable with this line of conversation." And I get "you need to lighten up. I don't care about your children, and I don't even know where you live, so I couldn't possibly come to your house and do things to your children" So I go, "ok, yes, I see your point, but what you are talking about is unsettling, and I politely request that you stop talking about it, not to mention the fact that what you are talking about is illegal and against the rules for CoX." And he says "Having sexual desire for children is not illegal, only acting on it is" And I say "Ok, but I would really appreciate it if you didn't discuss this kind of atrocities against children in this forum." And he proceeds to tell me how anyone who says "think about the children" makes his head explode, and how anyone who takes offense at comments made by people on the internet are idiots. This conversation went on for way longer than it should have, but I was really trying to understand how he thought it was ok to make those kind of comments and he was only too happy to continue to tell me I was an *****. I took screen shots of the convo, but didn't keep them, since most of the other people on the team kept telling me to "lighten up". Fast forward a bit... So, I am in a costume contest in Atlas tonight, and the people are talking about some video game where they get lots of points for killing children. Again, I politely request that they stop talking about killing children, since I am a parent and the subject matter is disturbing to me. AGAIN I get that I need to "lighten up", and that somehow, in their minds, slaughtering children is fine as long as it is in a video game. Like, somehow, as long as it is "virtual", it is totally ok to slaughter and maim and **** children. I don't get this. But, apparently, I am in the minority. Apparently, it is perfectly fine to do horrible, depraved, tortuous things to people, since this is a "game", and if anyone takes offense at the discussion of said atrocities, they just need to "lighten up". Seriously. I don't understand how most people can agree that it is not ok to commit hate crimes against alternative sexualities and persons of color and the like, but somehow, it is perfectly ok to talk about atrocities towards children. I, for one, do NOT find it acceptable chatter to talk about violence against ANY person for reasons of race, creed, gender, sexuality, age, religion, or any of the other 'isms......But I find it particularly atrocious when hate and filth is directed towards the sweet, innocent babies. But, apparently, I just need to "get over it", since people are allowed to say whatever they want when on the interwebs. I totally expect this thread to get axed, since it is inflammatory and contains some bad words, but I would really like to get some feedback on it before it does. Am I being too sensitive? Do I really and truly need to "get over it"? Please respond. Portions in italics were edited to remove details inappropriate for the CoH forums -Mod08 |
I don't know why people ask other people to "stfu, stop talking about that, plz don't say that" etc, when you damn well know that 90% they won't. I simply ignore, and move on.
I also don't know why people post stuff like this on here...seriously, if everyone on this post said "ya you need to lighten up" would you team with this guy the next day and be all jolly while he talked about the stuff he was? No, you wouldn't, so why ask this question and post it here?
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Originally Posted by Impish_Kat
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1. This is a teen rated game, and discussions regarding pedophilia are not appropriate for maintaining the game's rating. It is up to the community to reinforce this. . |
As in: The actual content of the game is rated T. Interactions with other players are not. This being an interaction with another player, it won't get CoH in trouble by the ESRB and making them upgrade it to M or AO.
Course, there's always the ToS then, just saying that the rating has nothing to do with this.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
I've asked people on teams a couple of times to not use the word r*pe in a positive context - like talking about how the team is "totally r*aping this mission/TF/AV" - it makes a horrible crime seem trivial and humorous, and there are plenty of other words to use that give the same effect without being offensive.
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In your second example, it occurred in a "public" place in-game. The most other players can do is ignore the offenders; the "host" in this case is represented by the GMs, and so a report and petition would be necessary to get them to even review the case to see if consequences (effectively "asking him to leave") is warranted.
I agree with your reactions, and would probably share them/ support you under the circumstances. However, as you state, "my right to swing my fist ends at your nose;" the other player DOES have the right to be a jerk, his friends DO have the right to tell me to "lighten up," and I do NOT have the right to force them to play my way. I can only modify my own play style (whether that's to ignore, petition, avoid, etc.) in response, until and unless the "host" (group leader, SG leader, or GM) asks (or more likely forces) one of us to leave.
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