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leave ED out of nice tactic that can't argue against it so you ignore it even tho its basically the same thing a major change to make way for something in the future.

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.Destroyed 90% of what was good for the sake of prolonging fights which supposingly makes it more fun for the nubs that like to make fight clubs under the globe.

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Ah now we get some where so because they broke the way you like to PvP its epic fail thats what your basically saying its your way or no way.

Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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And here's a news flash for you, the devs have killed pvp deader than it ever was. So it is an epic fail. And in that respect TG and everyone else now moaning are right.

And the only thing more of an epic fail, is that they intend to waste more time on it, rather than admit it aint worked and put it back.

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Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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And here's a news flash for you, the devs have killed pvp deader than it ever was. So it is an epic fail. And in that respect TG and everyone else now moaning are right.

And the only thing more of an epic fail, is that they intend to waste more time on it, rather than admit it aint worked and put it back.

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Messy, you're digging yourself a damned big hole here.
Point of order, it IS our game. We paly it, we pay the subs. Without us, the players, there is NO CoX.

If they can get PvP back to a playable level, then I wouldnt consider that a waste of resources. Even if it was a roll-back.
If they do leave it how it is, however, thats a knock of confidence that will take a long long time to heal.
My tuppence hapenny worth.

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I like how people say pre i13 pvp'ers are just annoyed because they cant kick butt anymore or couldnt ADAPT.

Just total lulz.

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Just cause we only see you on your Ice tank now??
Way to Adapt Charnell GTZ

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woah woah woah woah woah dont u dare have a go at charnell donna, u dont leave PFF on ur blaster u have no room to talk wot so ever about adapting cos uve gone to i13 quite well, and me, well i just got sharks yday on my stalker but i was still kickin [censored] with my i12 build and my fire tanker which happens to be super strength is over a year old so u can all suck my balls

ye so I use pff, only cause now everything in bloody i13 hits harder than blasters.

It's called picking the lesser of 2 evils.

And before you say i've taken well to it , pyrocandy is a basic lvl 50 with so's because all my io'd toons are humped in pvp now.

So I'm very much against rock hard dominators, blasting stalkers, and unhittable forts,....

So lay off my pff that most still have a 20% chance to penetrate!

I thank you >

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Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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And here's a news flash for you, the devs have killed pvp deader than it ever was. So it is an epic fail. And in that respect TG and everyone else now moaning are right.

And the only thing more of an epic fail, is that they intend to waste more time on it, rather than admit it aint worked and put it back.

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^^ this, as i was told by a source on my msn, that posi and castle tested i12 pvp and THEY found it not fun, so revamp was in order, and no it wasnt TG, cos i told TG about it. the selfishness is unbelievable, no matter what we think (obvious by evidence of our feedback and suggestions we had for pvp) that its what suits them best, never mind us who pay the money to play it.

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ye so I use pff, only cause now everything in bloody i13 hits harder than blasters.

It's called picking the lesser of 2 evils.

And before you say i've taken well to it , pyrocandy is a basic lvl 50 with so's because all my io'd toons are humped in pvp now.

So I'm very much against rock hard dominators, blasting stalkers, and unhittable forts,....

So lay off my pff that most still have a 20% chance to penetrate!

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5% *******, u just cant have a go at some1 who's had a ice tanker for probably or the same ammount as mine when u use PFF constant, also the fact ive seen him use his ARCHERY blaster in the last few times hes been on, wudnt say he's cuddling up with i13.

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ye so I use pff, only cause now everything in bloody i13 hits harder than blasters.

It's called picking the lesser of 2 evils.

And before you say i've taken well to it , pyrocandy is a basic lvl 50 with so's because all my io'd toons are humped in pvp now.

So I'm very much against rock hard dominators, blasting stalkers, and unhittable forts,....

So lay off my pff that most still have a 20% chance to penetrate!

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I suppose his ball suck is out of the question then

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I like how people say pre i13 pvp'ers are just annoyed because they cant kick butt anymore or couldnt ADAPT.

Just total lulz.

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Just cause we only see you on your Ice tank now??
Way to Adapt Charnell GTZ

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woah woah woah woah woah dont u dare have a go at charnell donna, u dont leave PFF on ur blaster u have no room to talk wot so ever about adapting cos uve gone to i13 quite well, and me, well i just got sharks yday on my stalker but i was still kickin [censored] with my i12 build and my fire tanker which happens to be super strength is over a year old so u can all suck my balls

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Er when was the last time anyone saw me on my ice tanker?
Archery/Devices blaster and I DONT use PFF. I dont like using fotm stuff. I tried it with my ice tanker admittedly but that made me realise I prefer variety and EM is so far behind SS nowadays its laughable.

My blaster is specced for i13. I fly/hover and ground my targets then depend on my high acc/to hit. No TP foe/tripmines.
And without boasting I do ok and I dont think there is anyone else out there using a build like mine? And no bubbleh of lameness.

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leave ED out of nice tactic that can't argue against it so you ignore it even tho its basically the same thing a major change to make way for something in the future.

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Please learn to read the whole post.I said leave it out and i argued ED just fine.PvP population has been double scammed because while PvE was given back the power taken away pre ED through inventions as you well said PvP players were punished and simply been given DR on IO sets.There is your arguement for the second time since you missed it.

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Ah now we get some where so because they broke the way you like to PvP its epic fail thats what your basically saying its your way or no way

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I like PvP.Period.I have PvPed since day 1,i have played with underpowered AT's in the PvP zones as well so i guess your whole arguement about moaning for not having it our way is void.I got the brains,the knowledge and enough experience to know when something is not working and failing and has been a bad decision just like when i can applaud something.Dont try and spin this with the usual [censored] arguement fanboys use that we dont have it our way.The PvP community in this game stood by the devs for 6 issues doing the best possible with little at hand.S4,X4 in and all kinda events were payer and community manager events.The ladder in US is player driven.Yet noone moaned but made sensible suggestions and kept providing feedback.

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Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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Dont be ignorant.First of all PvP community in its majority doesnt support these changes.Second of all the changes that intended to fill the zones with casuals have failed obviously and third i might not own the game but just like every other person that supported the devs in the good and has been vocal in the bad this is bad and i ll be vocal about it like it or not just like you would be vocal when something would be bad and just like some other people around these boards were vocal when things went bad in other aspects of the game.

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if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it

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No.Not so be it because this is the wrong decision.You might be a sheep that follows blindly what they feed it but i am not and i ll keep express my disagreement to this move which is only reinforced through game testing and speaking with other people in PvP zones unlike your arguement which stems from nowhere to be honest except blindfaith to some grand scheme of things.

Stop being a sheep and learn to have your opinion through what you actually experience in the game.Not taking the [censored] without actally trying things out and bringing some hard evidence to the table.

The fact are simple:

DR in PvP: sucks.You wana keep DR in PvP?Fine introduce it to PvE as well.But this wont happen cause you know what the result will be.Even fanboys will turn round rip their clothes and scream murder

Mobility change: Wrong solution to a problem that could have been solved through simple power secondary effects.Would have allowed the game to retain its unique aspect of twitch/fast paced PvP and end the issues of melee with ranged dps

AT roles: This screw up is most likely due to panic effort to rebalance AT's and in a rush due to the flak being recieved destroyed everything.Balance at the moment is out the window in zonal PvP.

EDIT: And for the record take a look at US zonal PvP forum and see how many people seem to like/accept/enjoy/find fun this divine intervention the developers did to PvP.

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tbh if i spec'd my blaster to i13 which i wont cos i just think i wont touch my fire blaster, id still have ice epic, there isnt many i know with ice epic left, i dont know weither u have it charnell cant remember, but only blasters i know with ice epic left are mental kill and rent ...... id still choose ice mastery too, [censored] PFF the personal [censored by mod] field

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leave ED out of nice tactic that can't argue against it so you ignore it even tho its basically the same thing a major change to make way for something in the future.

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Please learn to read the whole post.I said leave it out and i argued ED just fine.PvP population has been double scammed because while PvE was given back the power taken away pre ED through inventions as you well said PvP players were punished and simply been given DR on IO sets.There is your arguement for the second time since you missed it.

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Ah now we get some where so because they broke the way you like to PvP its epic fail thats what your basically saying its your way or no way

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I like PvP.Period.I have PvPed since day 1,i have played with underpowered AT's in the PvP zones as well so i guess your whole arguement about moaning for not having it our way is void.I got the brains,the knowledge and enough experience to know when something is not working and failing and has been a bad decision just like when i can applaud something.Dont try and spin this with the usual [censored] arguement fanboys use that we dont have it our way.The PvP community in this game stood by the devs for 6 issues doing the best possible with little at hand.S4,X4 in and all kinda events were payer and community manager events.The ladder in US is player driven.Yet noone moaned but made sensible suggestions and kept providing feedback.

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Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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Dont be ignorant.First of all PvP community in its majority doesnt support these changes.Second of all the changes that intended to fill the zones with casuals have failed obviously and third i might not own the game but just like every other person that supported the devs in the good and has been vocal in the bad this is bad and i ll be vocal about it like it or not just like you would be vocal when something would be bad and just like some other people around these boards were vocal when things went bad in other aspects of the game.

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if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it

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No.Not so be it because this is the wrong decision.You might be a sheep that follows blindly what they feed it but i am not and i ll keep express my disagreement to this move which is only reinforced through game testing and speaking with other people in PvP zones unlike your arguement which stems from nowhere to be honest except blindfaith to some grand scheme of things.

Stop being a sheep and learn to have your opinion through what you actually experience in the game.Not taking the [censored] without actally trying things out and bringing some hard evidence to the table.

The fact are simple:

DR in PvP: sucks.You wana keep DR in PvP?Fine introduce it to PvE as well.But this wont happen cause you know what the result will be.Even fanboys will turn round rip their clothes and scream murder

Mobility change: Wrong solution to a problem that could have been solved through simple power secondary effects.Would have allowed the game to retain its unique aspect of twitch/fast paced PvP and end the issues of melee with ranged dps

AT roles: This screw up is most likely due to panic effort to rebalance AT's and in a rush due to the flak being recieved destroyed everything.Balance at the moment is out the window in zonal PvP.

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<3 TG baby, i add a bloody men to that son !

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ye so I use pff, only cause now everything in bloody i13 hits harder than blasters.

It's called picking the lesser of 2 evils.

And before you say i've taken well to it , pyrocandy is a basic lvl 50 with so's because all my io'd toons are humped in pvp now.

So I'm very much against rock hard dominators, blasting stalkers, and unhittable forts,....

So lay off my pff that most still have a 20% chance to penetrate!

I thank you >

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5% *******, u just cant have a go at some1 who's had a ice tanker for probably or the same ammount as mine when u use PFF constant, also the fact ive seen him use his ARCHERY blaster in the last few times hes been on, wudnt say he's cuddling up with i13.

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I said 20% because that the average To hit % that is needed against my Pff. It shows up in my Tab of tohit Rolls. I have it up especially... So i unno how its so weak because I have popped 20 Yellow's powerboosted Aim and Build up before sniping villains in Pff and still not got beyond 5%

Trust me it's not that OP.

I had started an Archery blaster for flying and ranged hits, but I went with nrg instead of devices,

And my Ice/SS tank is now 47 so soon enough we will be seeing him in RV too...

Comments made towards Rox, were in Jest.

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tbh if i spec'd my blaster to i13 which i wont cos i just think i wont touch my fire blaster, id still have ice epic, there isnt many i know with ice epic left, i dont know weither u have it charnell cant remember, but only blasters i know with ice epic left are mental kill and rent ...... id still choose ice mastery too, [censored] PFF the personal fagg0t field

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Hehe yeh using ice. Stupidly my blaster had PFF in the build previous. I think ICE keeps that insane playstyle up where part of your damage mitigation is purely taking out enemies.
I find it quite exciting when my heal is gone, phase suppression has kicked in and I am on 50% health. And just count on killing the enemy before he kills me :P

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No.Elusivity on PFF,SR's,widows,ice tanks and shields is utterly broken and game breaking.

Removal or fixing of elusivity as well as reversal of travel supression would make things bearable and maybe open up more builds to participate in zonal PvP under current status quo.Not that great but still better than now where legions of Tanks and widows have invaded with binds that say "there are 3 rules about the fight club" etc.

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Trust me it's not that OP.

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No.Elusivity on PFF,SR's,widows,ice tanks and shields is utterly broken and game breaking.

Removal or fixing of elusivity as well as reversal of travel supression would make things bearable and maybe open up more builds to participate in zonal PvP under current status quo.Not that great but still better than now where legions of Tanks and widows have invaded with binds that say "there are 3 rules about the fight club" etc.

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I miss teaming. I remember one night in SC on my TA/Ice fender with an emp and a blaster. Was a massacre and there were a lot more villains than us too. People had roles.

I miss trick archery...I miss sirens call... bah could go on a while....

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Trust me it's not that OP.

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No.Elusivity on PFF,SR's,widows,ice tanks and shields is utterly broken and game breaking.

Removal or fixing of elusivity as well as reversal of travel supression would make things bearable and maybe open up more builds to participate in zonal PvP under current status quo.Not that great but still better than now where legions of Tanks and widows have invaded with binds that say "there are 3 rules about the fight club" etc.

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I miss teaming. I remember one night in SC on my TA/Ice fender with an emp and a blaster. Was a massacre and there were a lot more villains than us too. People had roles.

I miss trick archery...I miss sirens call... bah could go on a while....

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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I miss SC, was my home >.<

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Trust me it's not that OP.

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No.Elusivity on PFF,SR's,widows,ice tanks and shields is utterly broken and game breaking.

Removal or fixing of elusivity as well as reversal of travel supression would make things bearable and maybe open up more builds to participate in zonal PvP under current status quo.Not that great but still better than now where legions of Tanks and widows have invaded with binds that say "there are 3 rules about the fight club" etc.

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I miss teaming. I remember one night in SC on my TA/Ice fender with an emp and a blaster. Was a massacre and there were a lot more villains than us too. People had roles.

I miss trick archery...I miss sirens call... bah could go on a while....

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i miss the WB days wen i use to see TG take out 3 stalkers that were about to AS me <3

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Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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And here's a news flash for you, the devs have killed pvp deader than it ever was. So it is an epic fail. And in that respect TG and everyone else now moaning are right.

And the only thing more of an epic fail, is that they intend to waste more time on it, rather than admit it aint worked and put it back.

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Messy, you're digging yourself a damned big hole here.
Point of order, it IS our game. We paly it, we pay the subs. Without us, the players, there is NO CoX.


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No tech I'm not maybe i could have worded it better but my pain killers were wearing off and i was not a happy bunny but my point still stands its not our game hell we don't even own the characters we create.

We may pay subs and we may play it but when it comes to making decisions about the game the only real say we have is accept the changes and get on with it or cancel our subs

and this is why this hole dam PvP thing annoys the hell out of me since i13 hit in fact before i13 hit every week there's some form of mention about PvP being broke there's always some form of moan

what these people should have done if they felt so strongly about the changes to PvP is say there piece and then actually quit don't threaten to quit actually quit cancel the sub and stop logging in that's how they would have got there point across but instead they threaten to quit and then don't.

Whats the point its like telling a naughty child your gonna send them to there bed and then not doing it.

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leave ED out of nice tactic that can't argue against it so you ignore it even tho its basically the same thing a major change to make way for something in the future.

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Please learn to read the whole post.I said leave it out and i argued ED just fine.PvP population has been double scammed because while PvE was given back the power taken away pre ED through inventions as you well said PvP players were punished and simply been given DR on IO sets.There is your arguement for the second time since you missed it.


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yes and Ed and inventions happened in the same issue didnt they?

No of course the bloody didnt there was huge gap betwean the nerf that was ED and the Buff that was inventions so is it not just possible that whats happened to PvP is the nerf before the buff?

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Ah now we get some where so because they broke the way you like to PvP its epic fail thats what your basically saying its your way or no way

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I like PvP.Period.I have PvPed since day 1,i have played with underpowered AT's in the PvP zones as well so i guess your whole arguement about moaning for not having it our way is void.I got the brains,the knowledge and enough experience to know when something is not working and failing and has been a bad decision just like when i can applaud something.Dont try and spin this with the usual [censored] arguement fanboys use that we dont have it our way.The PvP community in this game stood by the devs for 6 issues doing the best possible with little at hand.S4,X4 in and all kinda events were payer and community manager events.The ladder in US is player driven.Yet noone moaned but made sensible suggestions and kept providing feedback.


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you like all forms of PvP but insult those that like to fight club under the globe huh if you like it why are you insulting those that take part in a particular form of PvP

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Well here's a news flash its not your game and how things are done in it are not your decision to make if the Devs have decided that they want CoH to have a more "fight club" style PvP then so be it if you don't like that style of PvP well its a free world your free not PvP in CoH no one is forcing you to play CoH yet here you are.

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Dont be ignorant.First of all PvP community in its majority doesnt support these changes.Second of all the changes that intended to fill the zones with casuals have failed obviously and third i might not own the game but just like every other person that supported the devs in the good and has been vocal in the bad this is bad and i ll be vocal about it like it or not just like you would be vocal when something would be bad and just like some other people around these boards were vocal when things went bad in other aspects of the game.

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Says you and those that post here but what about those that are fightclubing there still at it and you still see the odd post about being and a pvp zone and pvping if its that bad stop pvping alltogeather its no good say "hey this dosent work" and then doing it any way all that'll happen is teh Devs will look at there data mine and say "hey look still teh same number of people in pvp zones"

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No.Not so be it because this is the wrong decision.You might be a sheep that follows blindly what they feed it but i am not and i ll keep express my disagreement to this move which is only reinforced through game testing and speaking with other people in PvP zones unlike your arguement which stems from nowhere to be honest except blindfaith to some grand scheme of things.

Stop being a sheep and learn to have your opinion through what you actually experience in the game.Not taking the [censored] without actally trying things out and bringing some hard evidence to the table.



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again says you i like the more fight club like PvP its sertiunly more heroic than getting shot to hell from affar or a quick zip in and AS its nice to actuall stay still and see who im faceing

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The fact are simple:

DR in PvP: sucks.You wana keep DR in PvP?Fine introduce it to PvE as well.But this wont happen cause you know what the result will be.Even fanboys will turn round rip their clothes and scream murder


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did i say Dr was a good idea i personaly dont like it i have the veiw that powers should function the same regardles of weather your in a PvP or PvE

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Mobility change: Wrong solution to a problem that could have been solved through simple power secondary effects.Would have allowed the game to retain its unique aspect of twitch/fast paced PvP and end the issues of melee with ranged dps


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I personally disliked the twitch aspect of PvP its not unreal that were playing after all if i want hair triger action ill play that im looking for epic fights

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As i said i would much prefer that things functioned the same betwean PvP and PvE

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I have looked in the past and much of what i seen was moaning and threats to leave yet very few seemed to have actually carried it out.

Right PvP in i13 is a complete mess, but if u have a look at it when hasnt it been, i dont pvp atm becoz i dont enjoy it, saying that though ive only had a couple of FotMs ut i dont use them in PvP becoz i like to win with toons that make ppl think whay is he in here with that. Im working on a few PvP builds through mids atm without the usuall shark fest red side, as i see no skill in spamming 1 power.

tbh a lot need to be modified, but i13 isnt that far away from being good. it just needs some stuff being brought back in from i12... the biggest problem i have with i13 pvp is travel suppression. This has single handedly destroyed PvP in my eyes and yes Castle is a complete idiot for this, but it nothing that cant be undone.

PvP for newbs is harder, becoz its easier to grief and this puts a lot of newbs off.

Tbh combine the good points from i12 and i13 and there 3/4s the way there towards a better PvP system


Adaptation is what i13 PvP is all about, if u dont adapt why the hell are u moaning and [censored], I adapted granted i dont like the new system, but I adapted to was was given

Please stop this incestant [censored] bout smt we all have to deal with. So please i urge u to adapt if u havent already.

p.s. once I have a few toons upto 50 i'll be back in RV mucking about

p.p.s. I too miss SC (in my eyes it was the best pvp zone out there)

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I see your point of view.Its not the same however.While ED affected whole population the same and inventions as well,i13 didnt.Putting double the effort from i9 till i12 to manage perfect builds and i13 essenially kicked PvP population to pre invention system.This is not something small.Considering usually PvPers dont have a huge interest in PvE side of the game that was pretty bad change.If there was a system in the distant future this change should have been held back cause it was pointless to introduce it.It was either a bad development decision (if there is no future mechanic coming to balance it) or very bad marketing decision that essentially showed the door to the majority of PvP community.Now judging by the deafening silence of the developmet team, the 0 effort to settle the worries that were expressed and the final "you are not our target audience" statement i can say with certainty how this looks.

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you like all forms of PvP but insult those that like to fight club under the globe huh if you like it why are you insulting those that take part in a particular form of PvP

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You dont understand so i will explain it.I have nothing against fight club as a form of fight.However the 1vs1 option in arena was made for this reason exactly.The current PvP development only enhances the fight club attitude to be brought in zonal pvp and essentially bringing actual zonal PvP to a halt.It essentially disrupts zonal pvp as it should be.Fast,frentic,quick thinking,adrenaline pumpin.

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Says you and those that post here but what about those that are fightclubing there still at it and you still see the odd post about being and a pvp zone and pvping if its that bad stop pvping alltogeather its no good say "hey this dosent work" and then doing it any way all that'll happen is teh Devs will look at there data mine and say "hey look still teh same number of people in pvp zones

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This has already happened.Zonal PvP numbers are down across the board.In US the posts of veteran pvpers not stepping into the zone anymore are common thing.5 people fightclubbing it under the globe all tanks/brutes aint exactly a sign of super access of the new system in place.

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again says you i like the more fight club like PvP its sertiunly more heroic than getting shot to hell from affar or a quick zip in and AS its nice to actuall stay still and see who im faceing

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There is nothing heroic about PvP.RPing is not part of PvP,cant be and thats what the arena is there for.Heroic fights can be done in controlled environment only because PvP is exactly what it says.Player versus Player and not In character versus In Character.

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did i say Dr was a good idea i personaly dont like it i have the veiw that powers should function the same regardles of weather your in a PvP or PvE

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Agreed on that with you.

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I personally disliked the twitch aspect of PvP its not unreal that were playing after all if i want hair triger action ill play that im looking for epic fights

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PvP mobility in CoH was the one thing that defined CoH pvp from other mmo's pvp.Was what majority of the community worshiped about this game pvp,was a trait that only CoH had.In other words it was its advantage.While i understand that some people love to stand and mash buttons to see who dies first without any tactical thought or anything exciting the majority was in it for this reason.The adrenaline,the rush to remain one step ahead of the opponents next move and the unpredictability.

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As i said i would much prefer that things functioned the same betwean PvP and PvE

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Agreed with you again.

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I have looked in the past and much of what i seen was moaning and threats to leave yet very few seemed to have actually carried it out.

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EU and US pvp community has a lot of players that just plainly quit.Some hang around for a bit longer due to lack of anything better and some just come occasionally hoping that something has changed.

Thanks for the discussion sorry if i came a bit hard on you i am more dissapointed with some development choices and prolly you took unecessary flak for it.

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and this is why this hole dam PvP thing annoys the hell out of me since i13 hit in fact before i13 hit every week there's some form of mention about PvP being broke there's always some form of moan


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No what you had were the people moaning that every time they went into a pvp zone to farm, or get a badge or even god forbid pvp, they got killed cos it was all too much for them.

The people they changed it for.

The same people that still aint pvp'ing now.

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what these people should have done if they felt so strongly about the changes to PvP is say there piece and then actually quit don't threaten to quit actually quit cancel the sub and stop logging in that's how they would have got there point across but instead they threaten to quit and then don't.

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Funny enough most did, dont confuse temp forum accounts or posting on here with playing, it just shows some of us are stupid enough to carry on supporting this game while not playing it.

Keep taking the pills.

In their efforts to "balance" every single AT they've actually tipped the scales horribly in favour of certain ATs.

They got rid of status protection because holds/stuns/sleeps weren't landing, instead giving everyone resistance. This means you can be stunned much easier, detoggling offensive abilities instantly which generally have a longish recharge. The upside to this, of course, is that there's no more perma-holds from dominators. As a scrapper in I12 I needed to pop as many as 4 break free's to leap out of a single domi hold, if im lucky. Nowholds don't last as long. Of course. nowadays, breakfree's are rendered almost useless anyway because they won't "break you free".

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Says you and those that post here but what about those that are fightclubing there still at it and you still see the odd post about being and a pvp zone and pvping if its that bad stop pvping alltogeather its no good say "hey this dosent work" and then doing it any way all that'll happen is teh Devs will look at there data mine and say "hey look still teh same number of people in pvp zones"

[/ QUOTE ]You're not playing the same game as the rest of us I can only assume. The PvP areas are practically DEAD. Warburg is mostly deserted save for a rare few skirmishes, Bloody Bay, which was always bad, has barely seen a fight in months, Siren's Call has finally seen peaceful days and it's citizens are starting to feel bright about the future. In fact, the only PvP area still running with decent numbers is Recluse's Victory, and I'd argue that the majority of players who go there do so initially to farm and then start fighting to pass the time.

I strongly advocated the changes early on, but now I see it's true colours. I hope it's given a severe makeover so it can claw back some of the dignity it left behind in I12.