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I would explain it but i fear it would be on death ears, so i guess i'll let the inane and endless rants about how rubbish pvp is from your guys becoz i dont really wanna debate with ppl that are so shut off and uninterested in listening to a constructive prose... I see why now no Dev pays attention to this "destructive" issue on PvP

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I don't care if you're a mathimatican or not, comments like that is exactly why they're giving you stick like this.

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Whatever the hell "death ears" are.

That's university education for you I guess.

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I would explain it but i fear it would be on death ears, so i guess i'll let the inane and endless rants about how rubbish pvp is from your guys becoz i dont really wanna debate with ppl that are so shut off and uninterested in listening to a constructive prose... I see why now no Dev pays attention to this "destructive" issue on PvP

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I don't care if you're a mathimatican or not, comments like that is exactly why they're giving you stick like this.

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tbh i gave up this thread after my last post if ppl wanna rip into it so what.. they are free to... if they want to arrang a massive lets kill saphi fest sobeit. i dont give 2 [censored].... I know what this thread has become and so do others and now im just laughing at all the inane pointless comments and winges pretty hillarious tbth

and its been a long time since i gave a [censored] about certian ppl on this thread. As most cant accept that maybe, just maybe someone else has a different opinion to them, tbh that sums up this whole board tbth. Neway this has been a long +1 count

ne body got ne cookies

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if they want to arrang a massive lets kill saphi fest

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cant accept that maybe, just maybe someone else has a different opinion to them

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Irony In Action. Love it.

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As most cant accept that maybe, just maybe someone else has a different opinion to them

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I was accepting your opinion although i didnt agree right up until the point you said that all of us that dont agree with the decision of the developers can bend over like you did or get out this game.Pot.Kettle.Black.

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Doesnt take much to kill a scrub.

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I know what this thread has become and so do others

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Yeah its the thread where we laugh at you.Again.

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i gave up this thread after my last post

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Awsome see ya then and dont come back please.

On another non scrubtastic note:

After some more playtesting on buffing sets:

- Buffing has become totally obsolete seems.This of course leads to removing any need for teaming or creative team compositions and builds

-PFF: Seriously any blaster i see they are just perma in a PFF coming out just to snipe and then putting up PFF again becoming untouchable.What is this kind of dumb mechanic/power that Castle still hasnt fixed after all this time its been there.Its at least stupid.

-Fly: Castle needs to wake up to be honest from his deep sleep and start giving -fly to every powerset out there.Otherwise its the same situation pre i13 with kiting but far more worse.

-Control Pressure: No point anymore.

-DR: although i have pointed out that imo is really bad one more thing i managed to see today its that DR has rendered pointless for highly specialised builds in zonal pvp.For example sniping builds,high accuracy builds,high recharge and so on and so on.Shame.

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Irony In Action. Love it.

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Damn you got there first Steel, but agree 100%

Oh and I thought PvP stood for Player Versus Patience these days

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hey guys im back :P

how you lot this morning .... oh i see this thread is still alive . damn

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hey guys im back :P

how you lot this morning .... oh i see this thread is still alive . damn

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You dawwwwg you.

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Statement: Roll back to I12 PvP
Addition: auto-targetting within an arc/PbAoE to solve 'unclickable syndrome'
Further Addition; Looking at the list drawn up by veteran PvPers and others.
Possible Results: Success

Devs Problem; Possible; cannot understand 'txt spk lik english now tlkin'
Summation: Ashamed to be English: at times...

Old PvP; Fun, if hard
New Pvp: -Expletive-

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I do like what Pain Dom brings to pentad and VvH, as well as the new vill epics.

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@Rooks

"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."

Pentad and VvH?
And yeah, /pain and VEATs un-changed might well have tipped things for the better anyway, without all the meddling...-shrug-

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I meant patron changes btw.

Pentad is when a team of 5 is formed of the 5 main ATs: Defender, Scrapper, Blaster, Tanker, Controller or MM, Corruptor, Brute, Stalker, Dominator.

The addition on pain domination makes pentads a little bit less harsh on MMs whose main other option was to run a forcefield mastermind in their team. Ask how many Hero pentad teams would have had an ff in them by choice and you get the idea about how unbalanced pentads were. It also allows villain teams to better emulate hero teams in terms of make up, and even the big gap that the absense of empathy left in VvH PvP (Villain vs Hero Player vs Player)

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@Rooks

"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."

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'unclickable syndrome'

[/ QUOTE ] Not sure what you mean there but nevertheless i would like the arc AoE idea.

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Devs Problem; Possible; cannot understand 'txt spk lik english now tlkin'

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Dont know most of these people you describe dont bother with providing any feedback anyway.

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i12 PvP was definitely more new player friendly and less hard in terms of adjusting to.Current system requires to learn every single power again just for pvp plus undr the current system nothing besides tanks and fortunatas can be really useful or playable much in zonal pvp.

Pain domination was exactly what was needed to perfect balance in zonal for team compositions.With pain domination all corruptor teams would stop being the way to dominate i zonal.

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Statement: Roll back to I12 PvP
Addition: auto-targetting within an arc/PbAoE to solve 'unclickable syndrome'
Further Addition; Looking at the list drawn up by veteran PvPers and others.
Possible Results: Success

Devs Problem; Possible; cannot understand 'txt spk lik english now tlkin'
Summation: Ashamed to be English: at times...

Old PvP; Fun, if hard
New Pvp: -Expletive-

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Someone has: been playing: too many Rikti arcs.

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As in, some random attacker would hit you from behind, the side or something, even land in front of you, attack once, then bounce. They'd be moving too much for you to actually click on them to target for return attacks, and the tab key ALWAYS, without fail, would lock onto a PvE enemy instead of the one you wanted.

Hence the auto-lock. It would be limited range, like a cone maybe, and you could choose to turn it on or off. Limited range would stop snipers from being picked off easily and unfairly. And a 90 degree cone would make rear attacks still viable. If the person was fast enough on the turn, or sensible enough with camera angle, that should be ok.

And yeah, Rikti is in my head stealing: my brains

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They'd be moving too much for you to actually click on them to target for return attacks, and the tab key ALWAYS, without fail, would lock onto a PvE enemy instead of the one you wanted.

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Ah i see what you mean now.I wouldnt mind auto lock although there were tricks to getting around the locking PvE targets issue like placing the camera above your character so you could only target around and so on hehe.Still auto lock to incoming attacks i like.

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I'm not going to get heavy handed and start chopping bits of this thread. However, while I know this is a topic in which there are distinct opposites of opinion forming, and those opinions are strongly held for many, there is never an acceptable reason for descending into making things personal.

Please stick to discussing the facts and opinions and please avoid getting personal in your arguments.

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What GR said.
'Noobsauce' comments and such.
They might be right/wrong. But thats opinion.

Personally, Id just like PvP to be playable and fun again

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lol, pvp hooks xD it's true I hate it but can't get away, It's like those bloomin white chocolate buttons allover again, you know you shouldn't have that 3rd packet but you can't stop yourself!! xD

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Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

True. Went to Bloody Bay to mess around with three characters against a SG friend.
Its probably wishing that it was the old PvP, or something =[ -sigh-

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right i have a few appoligies to make for sounding like a winey kid.

Im sorry for the [censored] posts i made earlier in this thread

Londoner when a game becomes based on spreadsheets yes indeed its not a game nemore.

TG i respect ur points of view and your ripping the mikey outta my post, yes, yes i did diserve them. PvP is totally sucky atm.. yes u can still enjoy it but the freedom and creativity has gone. as has most aspects of team PvP

This "new" "loved by Castle and Posi" PvP was built for them not for the customers, again this is another example of the devs ruining it for the customers. Its a bloody joke. I have a lot of fustration at them for this PvP we have Frow Sharks to win for a stalker a hold on a tanker doing excessive amounts of damage compared to a blaster.

and as for Movement suppression lets just move on (i hated routing so u can guess the amount of expletives needed to describe movement suppression.

i13 PvP 2/10 (in comparison to i12) Elusivity and Mez (exc. mez from critters) good (elusivity needs simplifying though), rest terrible to mediocre at best

i12 PvP 9.5/10 (in cmparison to i13)


Good on them for going backwards, lets go celebrate by pouring suphuric acid on there faces, then maybe the'll be able to see, what they did to PvP, when they said we'll do it for us not for the "paying customers"

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Wow, two threads in two seperate sections of the boards in the same circular debate. GG.

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@Rooks

"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."

I apologize for any over the top comments since obviously my frustration is more with the new status quo regarding PvP.

The biggest thing i think that annoys me above everything else is not the i13 game mechanics but is more the fact that Castle was always considered to be one of us.A developer that knew the game,played it,understood us and what we talked about when we talked about changes that were needed and so on.Suddenly Castle turned into Statesman and just decided that is better to trash the community for the sake of an experiment.This is unforgivable.

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Elusivity is broken totally.The initial creation of the term and the mechanic doesnt even come from the developers.Its an idea of a number cruncher Arcanaville.And while it was a decent idea the implementation was really really bad to the point even Arcanaville admitted so.Funnily enough the devs still think it aint so.

Like i said before the main issue most PvPers got is not the mechanics so much as the fact that we have always stood by the devs and especially Castle in good faith,did our best to keep PvP going with what little tools there were.And suddenly the carpet was pulled under our feet.You cant sit by and not be vocal about this.

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