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Simply because the "not looking" is default, it is interpreted by me, and i know by several others as well, as a "not doing anything or i just logged in flag". I do not mind at all getting asked to join teams with the not looking flag up. And simply putting "soloing" in the comment is in my opinion really not giving enough information that you are soloing and want to be left alone. Like i said before, it could be equally well interpreted as that you're just alone atm and up for grabs.


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If someones in the default Status I'll send them a tell (assuming their comments don't discourage it, I count "Solo" or "Soloing" as a no) but I don't get miffed if they don't reply. No skin off my nose, I move on. I've the same attitude towards receiving tells, I'll probably reply but if, for various reasons I don't, I assume they'll move on after 60 seconds anyway.

I just don't get why people get so darn upset about it.

Basically I eqaute the default status setting to "I might join, I might say no ta, I mightn't say anything at all". All 3 are fine as far as I'm concerned.

And yes I am indeed slightly antisocial sometimes and don't want to talk to the general populous but may join someone I've teamed with before and Friended.

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Seems I find myself in disagreement with you for once then FFM...


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Hey, it's no biggy! People disagree on things all the time! I don't see any point in getting in to an argument over it though, so I think I'll just say this:


It's human nature to interpret things to fit your own world view. Many people will interpret the same information differently, so it's important to remember that they're probably NOT trying to antagonize you intentionally, they just don't see things the same way.


I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic TBH, as we're just going around in circles.

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I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic TBH, as we're just going around in circles.

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"Agreed!"

(now... if you all don't mind, I've some soloing to do... [/hide] )

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You have had people saying that they leave it in "not looking for team because......surprise surprise.....they are not looking for a team, yet you are saying that it does not mean that.

You have had people saying that they write "soloing" because......hey guess what.......they want to solo. Yet again, you are saying that they dont mean what they mean.

I know a lot of people who leave it in "not looking for a team" as they are not looking for a team and get their teams from their global chats. They also add in notes to that effect and still get people like you sending tell after tell because you dont believe they meant what they wrote and flagged.

I still say that you guys are justifying being annoying as you cannot accept that you are and that must therefore be the fault of the others you are annoying.

I am not being deliberately antagonistic, I just cannot believe that you cannot grasp simple mechanics of gameplay and english.

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lol no wonder these people get rude tells back if they cant understand words like soloing and not looking for team. This is really basic stuff and you need to get it together. No means NO.

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You have had people saying that they leave it in "not looking for team because......surprise surprise.....they are not looking for a team, yet you are saying that it does not mean that.

You have had people saying that they write "soloing" because......hey guess what.......they want to solo. Yet again, you are saying that they dont mean what they mean.

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I have yet to ignore anyone on these forums. And there are at least three who have really, really deserved it over the years. You, my friend, are swiftly heading towards my breaking that fine tradition. Taking issue with everyone who disagrees with you and not even bothering to read their responses properly does not make for a good debate. This will be my last response to you unless you raise a valid point for discussion.

Concerning the above points you raised, I already answered them.

FFM is entirely correct.
We are going in circles.
Any faster and we'd be in danger of developing motion sickness.

To recap, for those keeping track, it is all about accuracy:

Search Comments:
"Soloing" describes your current (or past) actions, not your potential response to offers of other activities.
"Not interested in teaming" would be far more accurate, if that is indeed what you mean.

Search Status:
"Not looking for a team", again, describes your current status. Not your desires or potential responses.
"Not accepting invites" would be far more accurate, if you do not wish any teams to look for YOU.

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I am not being deliberately antagonistic

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Then you are doing an extremely good job of being unintentionally antagonistic, either by ignorance or by English not being your first language. Because from what I can tell, the below quotations all refer to me, personally, and are rather insulting:

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and still get people like you sending tell after tell

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because you dont believe they meant

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you guys are justifying being annoying

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you cannot accept that you are

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you are annoying

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I just cannot believe that you cannot grasp simple mechanics of gameplay and english.

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Search Comments:
"Soloing" describes your current (or past) actions, not your potential response to offers of other activities.
"Not interested in teaming" would be far more accurate, if that is indeed what you mean.

Search Status:
"Not looking for a team", again, describes your current status. Not your desires or potential responses.
"Not accepting invites" would be far more accurate, if you do not wish any teams to look for YOU.

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Agreed, and either of these would be enough for most to not send a /tell or invite your way.

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Search Comments:
"Not interested in teaming" describes your current (or past) actions, not your potential response to offers of other activities.
"soloing" would be far more accurate, if that is indeed what you mean.

Search Status:
"Not accepting invites", again, describes your current status. Not your desires or potential responses.
"Not looking for a team" would be far more accurate, if you do not wish any teams to look for YOU.

I swapped them around so you can see the words you use mean the same thing. You are being pedantic

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How does 'not looking for a team' mean I don't want teams looking for me? I am right now not looking for a new job, but if someone called me up and offered me one I would take it, or at least hear them out. There is a vast difference between not actively doing something and wanting to avoid something altogether.

Also 'soloing' as a search comment is far too vague, I accept that soloing could mean you want to stay solo (And is how I would translate it), but it equally could be a description of your current activity. I could write 'eating' in my search comment but it wouldn't mean that I was looking for an eating partner, and it would not mean that I wasn't looking for a team, it would mean that I am currently eating, probably translated as semi-afk. 'Not interested in teaming' makes it pretty clear that you don't want a team.

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Search Comments:
"Not interested in teaming" describes your current (or past) actions, not your potential response to offers of other activities.
"soloing" would be far more accurate, if that is indeed what you mean.

Search Status:
"Not accepting invites", again, describes your current status. Not your desires or potential responses.
"Not looking for a team" would be far more accurate, if you do not wish any teams to look for YOU.

I swapped them around so you can see the words you use mean the same thing. You are being pedantic

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"Not interested in teaming" describes your intentions, and practically guarantees that your response to a team invite will be "No". It makes it painfully clear to the reader that they need not bother inviting you.

"Soloing" describes your current status. It implies nothing about your potential response to a team invite, and can even be taken to mean "I'm lonely" by someone who is not a native English speaker.

The two phrases are not analogous.


Your second "swap" doesn't even make sense.

Read the second sentence: "Not looking for team" merely decribes a lack of affirmative action on your part (if you are logged in and Browsing through Wentworths then you are also "Not looking for a team", but this in no way implies that you will say "no" if someone invites you to one).


Are you sure you actually grok the meanings of the above terms?

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Also 'soloing' as a search comment is far too vague, I accept that soloing could mean you want to stay solo (And is how I would translate it), but it equally could be a description of your current activity. I could write 'eating' in my search comment but it wouldn't mean that I was looking for an eating partner, and it would not mean that I wasn't looking for a team, it would mean that I am currently eating, probably translated as semi-afk.

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Oh come on. It's a search status, not twitter.

Why, exactly, would anyone set their search status to 'soloing' if they wanted to team? How does telling everyone who's searching for team members that you're soloing say "hey, I want to join your team"?

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Isnt this thread like... a day early? It's friday tomorrow.

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Isnt this thread like... a day early? It's friday tomorrow.

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If the thread hadn't started on Tuesday that would make more sense.

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How does telling everyone who's searching for team members that you're soloing say "hey, I want to join your team"?

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It doesn't, but it also doesn't clearly say that you do not want to team. People do a lot of things that I can't see the logic behind, trying to figure everything out would drive me mad.

The point is that since writing something 100% clear isn't much more effort than making it even 1% unclear why don't people just be clear?

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Isnt this thread like... a day early? It's friday tomorrow.

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If the thread hadn't started on Tuesday that would make more sense.

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True true. However some of the friday threads a created early but pick up the... "pace" on fridays. (mostly because it's more likely there are more people online near the weekends)

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Why, exactly, would anyone set their search status to 'soloing' if they wanted to team? How does telling everyone who's searching for team members that you're soloing say "hey, I want to join your team"?

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Solo = "Without the presence or aid of another."
Synonyms include: "Alone"

"Alone" in Spanish even equates to "Solo" ...

It doesn't take a giant logical leap to think along the lines of "Alone" == "Lonely".

(All quite aside from the usual rehashed argument of "Soloing merely states what you're doing, not what you might wish to do if asked"! Note that in no way am I endorsing blind invites here, but one /tell is fair game IMO)

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How does telling everyone who's searching for team members that you're soloing say "hey, I want to join your team"?

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It doesn't, but it also doesn't clearly say that you do not want to team. People do a lot of things that I can't see the logic behind, trying to figure everything out would drive me mad.

The point is that since writing something 100% clear isn't much more effort than making it even 1% unclear why don't people just be clear?

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Jeez. How much clearer do people need it to be? Do you really need things spelt out that much for you? How do you even function in real life if you need to be spoon-fed information to that extent?

Even if someone had "Alone" in their comments I'd assume that's the way they want it, rather than it being some Facebook-like statement of how they are lonely and would really welcome some company.

Even then I'm not saying its a crime to send them a tell. But it is to then get annoyed because they don't reply. Put 2+2 together at that stage and move on people.

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It doesn't take a giant logical leap to think along the lines of "Alone" == "Lonely".

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Search Comments:
"Not interested in teaming" describes your current (or past) actions, not your potential response to offers of other activities.
"soloing" would be far more accurate, if that is indeed what you mean.

Search Status:
"Not accepting invites", again, describes your current status. Not your desires or potential responses.
"Not looking for a team" would be far more accurate, if you do not wish any teams to look for YOU.

I swapped them around so you can see the words you use mean the same thing. You are being pedantic

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"Not interested in teaming" describes your intentions, and practically guarantees that your response to a team invite will be "No". It makes it painfully clear to the reader that they need not bother inviting you.

"Soloing" describes your current status. It implies nothing about your potential response to a team invite, and can even be taken to mean "I'm lonely" by someone who is not a native English speaker.

The two phrases are not analogous.


Your second "swap" doesn't even make sense.

Read the second sentence: "Not looking for team" merely decribes a lack of affirmative action on your part (if you are logged in and Browsing through Wentworths then you are also "Not looking for a team", but this in no way implies that you will say "no" if someone invites you to one).


Are you sure you actually grok the meanings of the above terms?

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You really are being pedantic now.

Accept that soloing and not looking mean just that and move on.

Not everybody is finding the concept hard to grasp.

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I've always found in the majority the comments and "Looking for flags" to be more guidelines rather than rules, I too believe that most people will leave the flag to the Grey "not looking" and leave pretty much the same comment for the majority of the characters life.

The few times I am actually trying to recruit people to a team what I normally see is something akin to this Image where the flag is set to not looking yet the comment is clearly LFT.

So what do I believe the comment or the flag? Since I can't assume that this person is wanting a team yet hasn't changed flag to "looking" or isn't looking for a team and hasn't changed comment to "soloing" the only way to be sure is to send a short polite tell, quite a lot of the time they may be about to log, are selling up or just taking 5 after a TF. The comment rarely reflects that.

Ted.

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Solo = "Without the presence or aid of another."
Synonyms include: "Alone"

"Alone" in Spanish even equates to "Solo" ...

It doesn't take a giant logical leap to think along the lines of "Alone" == "Lonely".

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How many people do you think actually mean to set their search status to 'alone' or 'lonely' but put 'soloing' instead? I'm willing to bet the answer is 'none'.

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(All quite aside from the usual rehashed argument of "Soloing merely states what you're doing, not what you might wish to do if asked"!

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It's not a facebook status. It's not twitter. It's a search comment. In that context, it's very much related to what you wish to do if asked.

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It doesn't take a giant logical leap to think along the lines of "Alone" == "Lonely".

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Darn those emo Spaniards...

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Shazan, after reading all your posts on this matter I'd like you to answer a simple question.

There are two options in the search, not looking for a team and not accepting invites (= not wanting a team). If these two mean the exactly same thing why would both of them be there? This game is designed by people speaking English as their first language so they should (by your words) be able to tell they meant the exactly same thing.

Sometimes the subtle (well not too subtle in this case) differences in phrases can be important. Even I can interpret this small difference (as a person not speaking english as his first language) in these two sentences.

I'll give you an example because Maelwys' example didnt seem to be enough.

Scenario 1 (not looking for a team): I'm not looking for a party. This means that currently I'm not actively trying to find a group of people to party with, but it does not mean that I would not go to one if someone told me one was going to take place somewhere.

Scenario 2 (not accepting invites): I dont want to go to a party. This means I'm not either looking for a party or going to one even though I was offered an invite.


This is the difference between the two sentences. By no means they mean the same as has been explained to you quite a few times in previous posts. I hope you could brush off your arrogance and admit you're wrong. Please.

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It's not a facebook status. It's not twitter. It's a search comment. In that context, it's very much related to what you wish to do if asked.

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Sure, or to describe your current actions.

Although the accuracy of said comments are questionable at the best of times...

How many people do you see with "Badge Hunting" in their search comment, for example? I see a great many people that leave "Badge Hunting" up and yet they're in the middle of a Task Force that's entirely unrelated to said badge. Just as I see a great many people that have "lft" in their search comment yet don't accept invites.

IMO a search comment should convey information clearly. You honestly can't get much clearer than "I do not want to team" or "Do not invite me"... but even then it could be argued that these are somewhat superfluous, as the game houses seperate mechanisms to prevent people from communicating with you, inviting you, or even seeing that you are online.

Assuming that search comments are updated regularly and functioning as intended (stop laughing, you at the back!), then they should be something that you WANT people to see when they look for potential teammates.

Do these thought sound anyway plausible (given a somewhat polite and intelligent recruiter)?
1. That person is soloing. Perhaps they might like a team for a change? I'll ask them nicely."
2. That person is "soloing". They must not want an invite... but if they don't want an invite, why aren't they flagged up as 'not accepting invites'?"
3. That person is "soloing". They must not like teams... but why aren't they hidden if they don't want recruiters to see them?"

I just can't see that happening with something like "Not interested in teaming".

It's not like it'd take much more effort to type, and it would remove any ambiguity. And there obviously IS some degree of ambiguity, since I'm not the only person in this thread to argue in favour of clearer search comments.

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