Whoever it is that's hating shields will be thankful that you've made it right through some v expensive slotting. 
I do comparisons with SO builds myself as I deem that as fairer.
I like the slotting btw, there is v good slotting examples there. I was doing some of that this morning for my planned builds. You've gone over on no +hp figure which is nice. The 2nd end red in against all odds could of been better elsewhere, with my way of thinking "grant cover".
A quick mins play with that would give me this:
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Whoever it is that's hating shields will be thankful that you've made it right through some v expensive slotting.
I do comparisons with SO builds myself as I deem that as fairer.
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Agree with this 100%. I'd hope ANY set with that sort of investment in it would do well.
Still even just with SOs Shields seems fine to me. Just looking at the figures (since my Shields/Fiery Melee) is just level 7 is it the fact that the Shield shields have both Defense and Resistance and people generally just slot for the defense skewing peoples opinions a bit?
And from what I've seen on City of Data all 3 versions of Shield Charge use the same pseudo-pet to do the damage (I assume so it'll hit people after the TP and not before it) which is very nice indeed for Tanks.
I have a shield with power picks that don't include me looking for the "right combination" to maximize it. It will do for fun.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I am rolling a Shield tank soon... can I have an honest opinion of how they compare to the likes of Ice and Invul for Survivability in PvE + PvP
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
And how am i making it right by showing its potential? anyway you can softcap it at 31 with one gaussians set and one res/def unique. or just the res/def unique if you want maneuvers. Rest of the stuff just need level 30 regular ios.
Shields has never sucked and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.
It had sucked before live. Then it got changed. Now Active Defense sucks.
PVE wasn't changed for IOs TRT, the need to have IOs, Fight Pool and Med Pool is a mirage as well. Sure it can make you feel/look/perform better but a basic tank should stand the chance of getting a basic job done. My key worry is the last thing on the list of to do's "Tank Lord Recluse". I don't believe the game to be that balanced if you have to wait an hour to start the TF trying to get certain powersets.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Rephrasing, Shields has never sucked on live. And I -like- clicky mez protection, it doesn't cost me any endurance to keep it active.
Yeah, Active Defense is great. With Hasten and a few sets I have it double stacked much of the time for uber-mez protection.
I really should do something about this signature.
Until you are slowed. The early levels are pretty rough. You can get put out of action quite easily and in our game of non detoggling toggles there is not much point. Should you die in a PvP zone tanking those AVs you might have to wait for the rechg before starting again. Pointless. Wet Ice is a good Mez protection and cheap too.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Clicky mez protection stops you being drained and then held, used to stop you being detoggled and held too but toggles dont drop so easy these days. Love the clicky mez prot on my SR wouldn't swap it for anything.
But yes Wet Ice is cheap as
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They were appropriately appalled
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Women wrapped in silk
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The thing i still dont like about shields, and actualy inv partly, the limited ammount of attacks. Specialy on EU side its not uncommon that i solo alot, i never pick my inv. My granite and fire tankers have more slots to spare and still be 'fully' tankable so i can put some extra attacks to solo on a better pace.
I have a 32 on the US side, easier to party there and with a thermal or sonic its a lovely set.
Added, would you give such build to a new player? The lotg's alone will cost quite a bunch (although they extra, not needed). I join the SO comparing stuff 
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Until you are slowed.
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It's easy enough to get enough overlap that you don't have to worry about being slowed.
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The early levels are pretty rough. You can get put out of action quite easily and in our game of non detoggling toggles there is not much point.
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Most sets struggle to actually tank at low levels, I don't see it as a problem, and brief mezzes don't do much harm anymore.
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Should you die in a PvP zone tanking those AVs you might have to wait for the rechg before starting again.
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PvP zone? whats that??
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Pointless. Wet Ice is a good Mez protection and cheap too.
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Wet Ice is good, but it doesn't come with Shields. And I have still been mezzed though Wet Ice by multiple carnie Illusionists. With the Mez protection in OWTS as well, Shields can achieve a much higher level of protection. Wet Ice also does not give Fear protection.
I really should do something about this signature.
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Wet Ice is good, but it doesn't come with Shields. And I have still been mezzed though Wet Ice by multiple carnie Illusionists. With the Mez protection in OWTS as well, Shields can achieve a much higher level of protection. Wet Ice also does not give Fear protection.
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I never understood this argument. A clicky with a long recharge isnt up always when u need it, if wet ice need extra mez prot they can pop a breakfree same style. (as afaik they both have the same mag prot base - although no fear). Like unstoppable on Inv, they can reach also very high magprot, but nobody really ever took it into an argument.
Its not really the point if Shield is _better_ then others, just that it is just as good as the other sets. My playstyle doesnt suit shields, i have more use at fire or stone.
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Lol at all the quotes. It prolly best to keep things in a paragraph.
I realize OWS has good mezz prot but as always:
You realize u need it after u got mezzed.. (Applies to PvE more).
It's on a fixed recharge. You need it but can't have it.(Again PvE)
The crash is pretty dire for what you get.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Shields has never sucked and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.
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I guess that makes me a moron because there terrible 
coming from a 50 Shield/SS tank. If your willing to spend like 300 billion on your tank yes, its gonna be good no matter what set you choose.
Without all those weeks farming though, you will be just be the squishiest scranker there is.
Seriously, when you get it to 50, raise yourself a 'proper' tank and compare them. You will see the difference instantly.
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Shields has never sucked and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.
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I guess that makes me a moron because there terrible coming from a 50 Shield/SS tank. If your willing to spend like 300 billion on your tank yes, its gonna be good no matter what set you choose.
Without all those weeks farming though, you will be just be the squishiest scranker there is.
Seriously, when you get it to 50, raise yourself a 'proper' tank and compare them. You will see the difference instantly.
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300 billion?
If you take weave, you only need a gaussian set, the +def unique from steasfast prot to land at ~42%, add one other melee in range and voila, softcap.
Or slot in the two defense toggles with red fortune and then add two multi-strikes pbaoe sets and you'll be past the defcap as well without having anyone near you.
Those sets are relatively cheap, the only real expensive one in the +def unique, but at 125 merits, kinda easy to get. (In comparison, i softcapped my shield scrapper for under 300 million, which is much harder).
Shield tanks are quite good, if you think they suck it's your loss and you might just need to learn to play.
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Clicky mez protection stops you being drained and then held, used to stop you being detoggled and held too but toggles dont drop so easy these days. Love the clicky mez prot on my SR wouldn't swap it for anything.
But yes Wet Ice is cheap as
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I would have Active Defense sold to me with a better with a quicker base recharge or from a Quickness buff. Atm I am thinking 20% res to slow in every single one of them I make (Was why I got tonnes of them IOs). I'll laugh my socks off everytime I get end drained whilst fighting a Dark Ring Mistress and the power comes to the end of it's life.
But it really is a case of the low level blues with it.
Edit: Sapph I hope your not basing anything on your shield Brute, Brute and Tanks differ imo. I've always thought that for scrappers and brutes it's fine for the sake of playstyle and expectation. I don't believe that Shield can't be made into a better Tank for tanking some stuff than some other peoples tanks already out there. In terms of SOs and people on their first tank I could be worried about the rep it could get I guess.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I never understood this argument. A clicky with a long recharge isnt up always when u need it
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It doesn't have a long recharge, it's quite short. Once you get SOs, not only is it available when you need it, you can stack it for extra protection.
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Its not really the point if Shield is _better_ then others, just that it is just as good as the other sets.
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Exactly. Active Defense is equal to Wet Ice. But some players will prefer a clcik and some a toggle.
I really should do something about this signature.
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You realize u need it after u got mezzed..
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It's called anticipation. If you are about to charge into a bunch of carnie illusionists you activate it first.
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It's on a fixed recharge. You need it but can't have it.(
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Again, this is where you use tactics, and only activate it when you need it.
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The crash is pretty dire for what you get.
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The end crash is insignificant, loosing the +max hp hurts more.
I really should do something about this signature.
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You realize u need it after u got mezzed..
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It's called anticipation. If you are about to charge into a bunch of carnie illusionists you activate it first.
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It's on a fixed recharge. You need it but can't have it.(
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Again, this is where you use tactics, and only activate it when you need it.
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Do you do PuGs? Or do you solo or play in set grps that no outsider is allowed in. I must of played alongside most any PuG player there is over the years and I can't help but wonder how I've missed you.
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The crash is pretty dire for what you get.
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The end crash is insignificant, loosing the +max hp hurts more.
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Both parts make up the crash. I am going to change my mind on OWS especially as everyone probably sees shield as something thats complete with fight pool and aid self.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
You don't need aid self really with insps. It's nice however if you don't want to rely on insps or your team for your survivability.
I reckon I won't necessarily need fight pool or aid self. It's just whenever people talk about a powerset like invuln, fight pool is a given on it like invulns don't come without fight pool. Shields is heading that way with Fight pool and Med pool XD .
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I have to say I'm really enjoying my Shield/War Mace (34)tank.
Out of a Stone/Stone (44) a Ice/SS (41) and him, he is fast becomming my favourite. Does really well in teams and Shield charge is fantastic for alpha strikes.
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery
Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Battle Agility
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
Level 1: Scorch
(A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(33) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
(34) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(34) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(36) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
Level 2: Deflection
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(7) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(9) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(9) Impervium Armor - Resistance
Level 4: True Grit
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(11) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(11) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(13) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
(15) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
(15) Healing IO
Level 6: Active Defense
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(17) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 8: Against All Odds
(A) Endurance Reduction IO
(17) Endurance Reduction IO
Level 10: Taunt
(A) Perfect Zinger - Taunt
(33) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Range
(48) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage
Level 12: Swift
(A) Run Speed IO
Level 14: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery
(19) Miracle - Heal
(19) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
(31) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(31) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
(33) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
Level 16: Phalanx Fighting
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 18: Boxing
(A) Empty
Level 20: Stamina
(A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
(21) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
(21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(36) Endurance Modification IO
Level 22: Build Up
(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
Level 24: Tough
(A) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
(34) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure
(36) Titanium Coating - Resistance
(46) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
Level 26: Weave
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
Level 28: Combat Jumping
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(29) Defense Buff IO
Level 30: Shield Charge
(A) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(37) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge
(37) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
(37) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
Level 32: Fire Sword Circle
(A) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge
(40) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
(42) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(42) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(42) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(43) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
Level 35: Stimulant
(A) Empty
Level 38: Aid Self
(A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(39) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
(39) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(39) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
Level 41: Greater Fire Sword
(A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(43) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(43) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
(45) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(45) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(45) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
Level 44: Ring of Fire
(A) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(46) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(46) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(48) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(48) Devastation - Damage/Endurance
(50) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
Level 47: Grant Cover
(A) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
Level 49: One with the Shield
(A) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
(50) Titanium Coating - Resistance
(50) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
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Level 1: Brawl
(A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
(A) Empty
Level 2: Rest
(A) Empty
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Ring of fire is there to show a possible way of hp cap, myself will get superjump with a winters gift and move the slots elsewhere and settle for a measly 3100 hp.
also will be softcapped by 31.
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