Oh god, another thread that has devolved into "Hating WoW is cool just because it's WoW".
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I like the idea of the dragon and I actually like the idea of a medieval zone as long as it's put on the back burner until some of the more interesting stuff is done.
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Sure, but it would be nice if they gave us some REALISTIC armour options for medieval in-game. The current 'medieval' armour looks HORRIBLE, something no real knight would even dream of wearing.
Besides, there are still examples of medieval stuff in superhero/villain things. Captain America wears scale mail for heavens sake, theres other examples but my brain is on the fritz right now...
Anyway, just because AoC and WoW have them doesnt mean we shouldnt. We can do it better! 
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My objection isn't to the armour or mail clad heroes. Yes there are plenty of superhero examples including Black Knight, Valkyrie and even Conan himself has been known to grace Madison Avenue. That's before we even think about Dr Victor von Doom. That said I think some of the armour's a bit clunky but perfectly acceptable. But, I don't think this game needs a "medieval zone." There's a lot more "mainstream" comicbook stuff they can add. I'm probably on the same page as Mr Marvellous, sure they can do that when they've done everything else.
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Sure, but it would be nice if they gave us some REALISTIC armour options for medieval in-game. The current 'medieval' armour looks HORRIBLE, something no real knight would even dream of wearing.
Besides, there are still examples of medieval stuff in superhero/villain things. Captain America wears scale mail for heavens sake, theres other examples but my brain is on the fritz right now...
Anyway, just because AoC and WoW have them doesnt mean we shouldnt. We can do it better!
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My objection isn't to the armour or mail clad heroes. Yes there are plenty of superhero examples including Black Knight, Valkyrie and even Conan himself has been known to grace Madison Avenue. That's before we even think about Dr Victor von Doom. That said I think some of the armour's a bit clunky but perfectly acceptable. But, I don't think this game needs a "medieval zone." There's a lot more "mainstream" comicbook stuff they can add. I'm probably on the same page as Mr Marvellous, sure they can do that when they've done everything else.
Oh and Cap only wore scale mail when the artist felt like it but if you notice it never seemed to tear up as scale male would
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I dunno, interesting though Cimerora was, I think a Medieval zone would have been better than that. But I also agree that adding another 'Past' zone isnt a great idea, at least not IMO.
Having a zone with Nemesis/Steampunk castles, clockwork powered nasties and technomancy, now...
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Having a zone with Nemesis/Steampunk castles, clockwork powered nasties and technomancy, now...
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With a nice big clockwork (as opposed to Clockwork) dragon
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I'm with Scarlet on the whole Medieval Zone thing - too close to the same old generic MMO rubbish. We're unique, I'd personally like to stay that way.
What's nice about Cimemora is that it still retains that CoX "feel" by sticking with a specific period in history, rather than a medieval one which would be dangerously close to the generic fantasy one (imo at least)
However, I do like the idea of Tsoo GM and it being a Dragon Spirit or similar.
It's a shame we don't see much of Dead Calm anymore, I'm sure he'd have lots of ideas about giant, laser eyed, fez-wearing dinosaurs
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And it'd still be generic and [censored]
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And it'd still be generic and [censored]
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By this logic, every Medieval themed hero and villain is also generic and [censored].
If they did what they did with Cimerora, pick a time and a place and add elements to it, it could be cool.
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They could have a portal to the realm where Infernal came from.
Hes Medieval, as is his dimension. Given hes pals with the Phalanx, surely if there was trouble back home he could get people to help?
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They could have a portal to the realm where Infernal came from.
Hes Medieval, as is his dimension. Given hes pals with the Phalanx, surely if there was trouble back home he could get people to help?
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And it'd still be generic and [censored]
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If it was using a special style, how could it be generic?
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And it'd still be generic and [censored]
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By this logic, every Medieval themed hero and villain is also generic and [censored].
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Yeah but they mostly are.
The whole concept of "medieval" in comicbook lore has been done to death and failed. Look at the Captain Britain origin - straight from the pages of Mallory with Herb Trimpe art and that was the only thing that kept it going as long as it did.
Medieval & Superheroes don't mix. Cimerora just about works because it's a dip in zone. Totally optional (and I think goes towards the Well of the Furies origin arc.)
There are so many other worthy time periods and zones to discover within the Superhero/comicbook genre. Yes, we can have dragons (Fin Fang Foom anyone?) but please god no!!! Not the damsel in distress [censored] that's been done to death and belongs in a bygone age!!!!!
Go play AoC if that's what you want. They got a new patch today so have fun with that instead
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And it'd still be generic and [censored]
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By this logic, every Medieval themed hero and villain is also generic and [censored].
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Yeah but they mostly are.
The whole concept of "medieval" in comicbook lore has been done to death and failed. Look at the Captain Britain origin - straight from the pages of Mallory with Herb Trimpe art and that was the only thing that kept it going as long as it did.
Medieval & Superheroes don't mix. Cimerora just about works because it's a dip in zone. Totally optional (and I think goes towards the Well of the Furies origin arc.)
There are so many other worthy time periods and zones to discover within the Superhero/comicbook genre. Yes, we can have dragons (Fin Fang Foom anyone?) but please god no!!! Not the damsel in distress [censored] that's been done to death and belongs in a bygone age!!!!!
Go play AoC if that's what you want. They got a new patch today so have fun with that instead
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Other peoples opinions differ.
Maybe they could have the damsel in armour (Valkyrie, y'know, maybe? 
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Anyway, CoX sure as hell isnt WoW or AoC, and never will be by any comparable measure.
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And it'd still be generic and [censored]
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By this logic, every Medieval themed hero and villain is also generic and [censored].
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Yeah but they mostly are.
The whole concept of "medieval" in comicbook lore has been done to death and failed. Look at the Captain Britain origin - straight from the pages of Mallory with Herb Trimpe art and that was the only thing that kept it going as long as it did.
Medieval & Superheroes don't mix. Cimerora just about works because it's a dip in zone. Totally optional (and I think goes towards the Well of the Furies origin arc.)
There are so many other worthy time periods and zones to discover within the Superhero/comicbook genre. Yes, we can have dragons (Fin Fang Foom anyone?) but please god no!!! Not the damsel in distress [censored] that's been done to death and belongs in a bygone age!!!!!
Go play AoC if that's what you want. They got a new patch today so have fun with that instead
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Other peoples opinions differ.
Maybe they could have the damsel in armour (Valkyrie, y'know, maybe? ) if it really bugs you that much.
Anyway, CoX sure as hell isnt WoW or AoC, and never will be by any comparable measure.
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Keep the person in distress - just make it a guy instead - like a prince you have to rescue
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Honestly, why shoot down an idea that would not affect you -at all- if it was in the game, yet would make others happy?
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Cimemora works because there is the Superhero "theme" prevalent in Roman and Greek mythology. That simply doesn't fit in a generic medieval / fantasy world. And I don't think it should be shoe horned and bent around so that it does.
*edit* Yes, yes I know, in essence the Heros in the fantasy world are just the same as the spandex clad ones, but as I've said elsewhere, I prefer to keep our version seperate to maintain our individuality and keep us different to the masses. Part of CoHs charm is it's uniqueness; the fact that it isn't anything to do with the fantasy genre, which has been done to death. I prefer to keep it that way
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Honestly, why shoot down an idea that would not affect you -at all- if it was in the game, yet would make others happy?
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Because I don't have to agree with every suggestion made, whether it affects me or not. If I don't like the idea of something, I will say so and why.
Given that dev time is limited, and this is a "Suggestions" thread, if they are going to use it as a platform from which to allocate that time, then I am going to put my backing over something I would like to see in the game and disagree with something I wouldn't.
See how it works?
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Let's keep the Generic Fantasy setting rubbish out of this MMO please. It's been done, redone, done again, done some more and DONE.
Now a Space Research Station or a Moonbase with a giant cybernetic dinosaur? Hell yes.
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An alternate dimension medieval-themed zone, yet with unique elements to the CoX lore to keep it from being generic (so it doesn't have to have orcs and goblins). Cool idea, would keep everyone happy.
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Not sure how the heck a medieval zone came up in relation to a dragon GM. Well, not sure unless lots of people have an issue distinguishing between (Western European) medieval and high fantasy.
Orcs and goblins often exist in the latter, whereas the former is full of undertrodden masses just waiting to be subdued by any villain wanting to get a reasonably early start on world domination.
Hmmmm ultra-power-death-ray mkIV vs a few men firing pointy sticks or waving bits of metal... Rack that one up as a win for the time-travelling badguys then.
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So I assume that all orcs and goblins just got extinct between 1500 and now?
Medieval does not automatically means orcs and goblins...
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Hmmm... I could almost imagine that you misunderstood my post. Unless I'm misunderstanding yours.
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Nearly right - medieval does not ever mean orcs and goblins.
Orcs, goblins and similar beasties are at various levels of (primarily Western European) myth/fantasy/fiction - they never existed in reality, neither pre- nor post-1500.
Medieval refers to reality - somewhere between about 500 and 1500 AD.
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Blimey I thought I'd suggested a Dinosaur where did medieval come from 
Anyway what about this Dino GM being a Pterosaur. Have it drop stuff as it flies around a zone (rocks maybe). Make a change to have a GM flying. Wonder if they could reuse the Ricki Ship code.
Could be a [non medieval) dragon shouting fire I suppose.
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Hmmm... I could almost imagine that you misunderstood my post. Unless I'm misunderstanding yours.
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Medieval does not automatically means orcs and goblins...
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Nearly right - medieval does not ever mean orcs and goblins.
Orcs, goblins and similar beasties are at various levels of (primarily Western European) myth/fantasy/fiction - they never existed in reality, neither pre- nor post-1500.
Medieval refers to reality - somewhere between about 500 and 1500 AD.
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Was not directed towards you but to the idea that medieval means it would be WoW like.
And you're right, medieval does not ever mean orcs and goblins.
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I think perhaps that a fantasy world is generally seen as existing within a medieval one. In other words, you could take a medieval setting, and would only need to add wizards, orcs and goblins for it to be seen as a fantasy setting.
Perhaps the former is close enough to the latter to make people feel nauseous when it is suggested?
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