The real problem why EU populations are low?
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Posted on: 2008-12-07 16:55 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
While were all venting (ok were probably not but this seems as good a spot as any)
What on earth dose moving to the US achieve? you (general you not a specific you) come on moan about the population being low declare your of to the US but you have time left here so spend it moaning about the low population a population you just reduced by one if every one who had decided to up sticks had stayed put there would be more people on the servers there's been at least 8 declare the fact there of so there's a full team right there.
More to the point the ones i really don't get are the well i'm of to the US servers because all my friends moved there cause there was no one to team with. Um didn't you team with each other? its not like you need a group of 40 people to have a good team you only need between 1 and 7 other people to form a team.
Um rant over.
Excellent idea Mr Ravenswing from now on I'm not gonna post on the pointless doom thread and just let them die a quite unnoticed death.
Ravenswing makes a very good point, as I tried to earlier but I want to respond to Phantoms' subsequent post:
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I wish to thank all has a made a constructive post and not "Dammit its The_Phantoms again" and "DOOOOOM" becuase I don't want to start that in the first place! If you don't like the posts, don't go on them. It's as simple as that. So you don't think "DOOOOOOM", I don't want to argue with you here, but I think getting into too much of all that will just start another flame war.
And I have to agree the game looks pug ugly at the moment. Another reason why possible new players are put off.
Also, another note, tbh DOOM threads doesnt put people off the game, because how many people read the forum anyway? If the doom threads had an effect we would've have less players than we do now.
Just trying to get my 2 cents around, hope that doesn't make you go into a big fit.
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What do you suppose your additional DOOOM thread will have following on from a number of similar posts of a similar nature recently? How do you imagine it will possibly help the game, or the community? What is your objective in posting it? If you don't want to argue here, then why post?
You say the game looks pug ugly, yet it would seem that not so many agree with you on that, either in terms of characters or scenery. Nobody's saying an upgrade wouldn't be good but the game does seem to stack up favourably, compared to other equivalent MMOs. I suspect you're jumping on the bandwagon of Positron's teaser here and posting this as "gief nao plx" without thinking things through.
Finally, how do you know you're not harming the game? A number of people DO read the forums and these posts are created by a vocal minority. So what is the net effect of this? The bottom line is that you cannot say for sure you're not putting players off because you have no evidence either way.
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For the record. Pug Ugly????
I couldn't disagree more. This game looks fine. In fact I don't even know exactly how fine because my graphics can't even deal with the full graphics on mode.
Sure, there are games which look even better. So what, I can't play those anyway. I dare say I am not the only one here.
This game is 4/5 years old, there is an inevitable consequence to that on the population.....the actual surprise is that 'this game is five years old' and its still here and still has the population it has.
Its a shame people wish to bury their head in the sand whenever anything negative is said or worse try and gag the person saying it and its equally a shame people feel to need to exagerate problems, miss the bigger picture, or spew random venom because their voice isn't omniscient, but sadly this is humanity for you.
I play this game solo much of the time by choice, so the impact of any variance in the population is relatively minor to me. However inevitably at some point a small population begets a smaller population...people log on to find less people and consequently log on less often...it will happen. A server merge will extend the appeal of the game to new players but at the same time it will raise some genuine concerns with the older players making them depart.
Threads like this do raise proper matters for consideration and will in any event continue...if you dont believe its a concern or believe that remedial action is premature or ill advised then don't repsond and the thread will drop/fade.... that is until there comes a point where action is very much essential.... till then everyone arguing the perpheral issue of what should be said and by whom is just muddying the waters, denying the right of free speech and preventing the game from gaining a proper measure of the size of the problem....rather like my own lengthy diatribe here :P
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Happening upon a 'doom thread' and deciding not to play it is not making an informed decision, playing the game for a couple of weeks and finding out what it's like whilst looking up as much info as you can is making an informed decision.
And there are not hundreds or thousands of these threads, there are a few.
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There have been between 1 and 2 of these created every week for the past few years - that is hundreds and certainly not a few.
And coming across large numbers of negative threads will put people off - it is an informed decision just that the information they are getting is heavily biased negatively. Peoples time is a limited resource so everyone cannot try out every game available by properly playing it for several weeks they need some way to filter that number down to something managable.
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1) The game is not ugly, its better looking than WoW and WaR for example and even newer games that are still being made, Star Trek for example.
2) The game has quietened down but surely thats what the changes are for, to try to lure people back, though I must admit, I have seen nothing so far that will do this.
3) I have known people who have gone over to the "darkside (US) but have left anyway. I think the whole US thing is basically a red herring. If people need a break from the game then this is not going to renew vigor, and if they still love it, then there are enough people here to team with here, as people have said.
4) If you play on the EU servers, then US side you would be playing when their servers are probably even quieter than ours are anyway.
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4) If you play on the EU servers, then US side you would be playing when their servers are probably even quieter than ours are anyway.
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Indeed, I took the opportunity of an activation weekend to check the EU peak time population of my old US server, which was around 170 heroes. Union had twice as many heroes on at that time.
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There have been between 1 and 2 of these created every week for the past few years
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Ha. Ha.
So you're telling me there were doom threads in 2004-2005? As I say, ha. The doom thread only started this year about.
Also, I think people are missing the point here. The whole point of the thread WASNT to discuss about the EU server populations. I was explaining why the EU populations are the level they are now!
Ugh, I'm not trying to start a DOOM thread here, but "EU populations" seems to fit into the DOOM section for a lot of people... 
As if doom threads started this year. I dont often post just to tell people that they are spouting garbage but I think in this case it's warranted.
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There have been between 1 and 2 of these created every week for the past few years
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Ha. Ha.
So you're telling me there were doom threads in 2004-2005? As I say, ha. The doom thread only started this year about.
Also, I think people are missing the point here. The whole point of the thread WASNT to discuss about the EU server populations. I was explaining why the EU populations are the level they are now!
Ugh, I'm not trying to start a DOOM thread here, but "EU populations" seems to fit into the DOOM section for a lot of people...
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Unfortunately, The_Phantoms, the forums search won't let me go that far back, but we certainly had these discussions back in August 2006 and I am sure I can remember them even before then. In fact it seems that my whole time on the boards have involved Dooom threads.
And yet here we are, nearly 2 1/2 years later - still going strong and prodding buttock!
I realise that this is something you feel strongly about, but creating a new thread, even if it's down to one a month, ad infinitum, isn't really helpful.
The subject's been thrashed to death on sooo many threads now that it's not really a discussion anymore - so it's not suitable for General Discussion. The question's been answered by red names all the way back to Bridger so it's not a Player Question any more, it's becoming even more frequent a suggestion than vehicles so there really isn't a place any more for these threads.
As I say, I realise that you feel strongly about this, despite the counter arguments. And I respect you for your tenacity, but please - just let it drop.
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So you're telling me there were doom threads in 2004-2005?
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Yes.
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So you're telling me there were doom threads in 2004-2005?
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Yes.
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First of all there are a total of 79 people on these forums right now. that's at peak time ish.
Even if you quadruple that number then account for the fact that not everyone reads every thread, you are hardly left with the fact that the tone on the boards are in any way responsible for any activety in game or lack of.
Secondly, yes there were doom threads in 05 but they revolved around flash points like Ed and global nerfs. Generally, even critical threads, such as I do frequently were not doom threads.
And, as with very other media or any other entertainment, the game governs the mood of the forums/ critiques, not the other way round.
So, if there are doom threads about then there is only one direction with which to look. And its not at the players.
Sorry.
Phantom is wrong in his assessment of why the servers are quiet because, as has been pointed out, new players dont know the context for content anyway.
the big question is how do any meaningful number of potential players even know the game exists?
Its the overall state of the game (players leaving) against extremely limited advertising that is causing this.
Why isnt NC advertising this game in the uk in any serious, substantial manner?
That is one very key question.
The answer is very straightforward and its why it was a HUGE mistake to ever give Europe and the United States seperate server systems.
It's because the return on an advertising campaign here yeilds a far lower return than a pro rata campaign would do in the USA.
On a like for like basis, UK advertising rates are far more expensive. And they serve a much smaller circulation.
And, typically per head, there are more MMO players in the States than there are in the UK.
If I'm being fair, up till now, the UK has done well to hold itself to this level.
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Also, I think people are missing the point here. The whole point of the thread WASNT to discuss about the EU server populations. I was explaining why the EU populations are the level they are now!
Ugh, I'm not trying to start a DOOM thread here, but "EU populations" seems to fit into the DOOM section for a lot of people...
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Sorry Phantoms you were not explaining why. You were giving your opinion as too why and as it was your opinion others are entitled to agree or disagree with you.
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Also, I think people are missing the point here. The whole point of the thread WASNT to discuss about the EU server populations. I was explaining why the EU populations are the level they are now!
Ugh, I'm not trying to start a DOOM thread here, but "EU populations" seems to fit into the DOOM section for a lot of people...
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Sorry Phantoms you were not explaining why. You were giving your opinion as too why and as it was your opinion others are entitled to agree or disagree with you.
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Not sure how that qualifies him to be labelled a fool, mind you.
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First of all there are a total of 79 people on these forums right now. that's at peak time ish.
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Forum peak time != Game peak time.
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I don't think I have ever said he was a fool (I might think it at times 
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For the record. Pug Ugly????
I couldn't disagree more. This game looks fine. In fact I don't even know exactly how fine because my graphics can't even deal with the full graphics on mode.
Sure, there are games which look even better. So what, I can't play those anyway. I dare say I am not the only one here.
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Even I think that graphically speaking, the game still rocks. Not to say that it couldnt do with a spruce up but still, for an old timer, pretty damn good.
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I don't think I have ever said he was a fool (I might think it at times )
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It wasn't you that said it, Mere. Sorry if my post made it appear that way.
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First of all there are a total of 79 people on these forums right now. that's at peak time ish.
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Forum peak time != Game peak time.
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And more boys play than girls, so that = lack of multi-tasking - forums are quiet because people are playing
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First of all there are a total of 79 people on these forums right now. that's at peak time ish.
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Forum peak time != Game peak time.
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And if you'd just read one more line you'de have seen me say " Even if you quadruple that."
By the way its now 11.18 and there are 56 online. If i say times that by six will that do it? It doesnt matter. It's still chickenfeed numbers compared to the number of potential gamers out there, most of whom check reviews of games and not their forums.
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Now someone's gonna shout "GR SAID NOT TO DISCUSS IT!" but this is a why it's low, and somebody will shout "IT'S NOT LOW!" but compare it to other MMOs and you see why. End of story, I don't want to start a arguement/flame war about it.
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Do you not realise that this is almost the same as putting 'agree with me or else' on a thread??
You are, by virtue of the (alleged) 'content' of the opening post, starting an argument/flame war.
Frankly I'm surprised that the thread has lasted as long as it has. But then I'm also surprised that you're still allowed to post such absolute drivel when it's so often routed in the furthest recesses of your imagination rather than the tangible world.
I have no problem with eejits posting drivel, but I have an issue with eejits posting drivel and hiding behind some weak clause stating 'agree or keep silent'.
If you have a valid point to make, then make it.
If you do not, then please feel free to make these posts in your own diary rather than in a place where the public (myself included) are subject to stumbling upon the half-formed bastardisations of rational thought.
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By the way its now 11.18 and there are 56 online.
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56 that want to be seen that is. I wonder how many people are normally hidden these days. I know I tend to hide from searches on my higher level toons (especially my fire/rad controller) - I get a constant barrage of farming/fill/pl requests from logging in to logging out if I'm not hidden.
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By the way its now 11.18 and there are 56 online.
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56 that want to be seen that is. I wonder how many people are normally hidden these days. I know I tend to hide from searches on my higher level toons (especially my fire/rad controller) - I get a constant barrage of farming/fill/pl requests from logging in to logging out if I'm not hidden.
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He's talking about people on the forum.
I don't want to disagree, PRAF, but you're wrong at this point.
People jump on people who start threads like this, not because it's drivel, not because it makes it worse, but because they are sick to the hind teeth of people running the game down, generally with half-baked or downright ludicrous concepts of why.
Londoner's 'statistic' above is a fine example of the level of statistical veracity we can expect in these threads.
In all honesty, people should probably just not respond at all. The threads, unloved and unread, would more rapidly fall off the front page and be consigned to the bit-bucket of forum history.
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