Issue 13 Powerset Proliferation Guesses...

JayLeonHart_EU · 08-22-2008 06:49 PM

I haven't seen one of these done here yet and my search-fu agrees with me. Assuming that Shields will be in Issue 13 and that this won't affect proliferated powersets, what 2 powersets (1 primary 1 secondary) do you think each base AT will get / would you like them to get?

Personally, with a mix of expected / hopeful:

Blaster Primary - Dark Blast
Blaster Secondary - Dark Manipulation
Brute Primary - Claws
Brute Secondary - Regeneration
Controller Primary - Electric Control
Controller Secondary - Cold Domination
Corruptor Primary - Psychic Blast
Corruptor Secondary - Force Fields
Defender Primary - Fire Blast
Defender Secondary - Thermal Radiation
Dominator Primary - Dark Control
Dominator Secondary - Dark Assault
Mastermind Primary - Cyber-Zombies!!!
Mastermind Secondary - Sonic Resonance
Scrapper Primary - Energy Melee
Scrapper Secondary - Energy Aura
Staker Primary - Fiery Melee
Stalker Secondary - Fiery Aura
Tanker Primary - Electric Armour
Tanker Secondary - Electric Melee

So, thoughts?

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Angelic_EU · 08-23-2008 12:33 AM

neh, it has been done, in fact, by myself.

Don't know how to do a link here but try search for Most Wanted List under Suggestions.

or
http://uk.boards.cityofvillains.com/show...rue#Post1067693

Miss Chief · 08-23-2008 01:18 AM

Aww! i really REALLY want an Elec melee Scrapper but I guess I could roll another tank, just for elec melee. I want my Lightning Rod Criticals!

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JayLeonHart_EU · 08-23-2008 06:32 AM

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neh, it has been done, in fact, by myself.

Don't know how to do a link here but try search for Most Wanted List under Suggestions.

or
http://uk.boards.cityofvillains.com/show...rue#Post1067693

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Ta muchly - time for some threadomancy

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Sapphic_Neko · 08-23-2008 06:38 AM

Since I13 will bring shields, i'm kind of hoping for Broadsword for brutes

PRAF68_EU · 08-23-2008 06:39 AM

The thing that seems to be forgotten is the devs have said that while further powersets would be proliferated in future issues issue 12 would be the biggest.

I.e. don't expect two powersets for every AT in issue 13.

My guesses (italics indicate a new or semi-new powerset):

Blaster: none/none
Brute: Broadsword/Shield
Controller: none/cold manipulation
Corruptor: Psi (blaster version)/anti-empathy
Defender: none/none
Dominator: Dark Illusion/Dark Assault
Mastermind: none/anti-empathy
Scrapper: Axe/mace/shield
Stalker: Broadsword/Invunerability
Tanker: Shield/Broadsword

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HardRider · 08-23-2008 06:45 AM

claws for brutes and braod sword
and TA for corruptors

SteelRat · 08-23-2008 07:06 AM

I couldn't see mace / axe on scrappers, nor broadsword / claws on brutes, particularly if there's any truth in the going rogue system. For concept reasons I couldn't really see Firey Aura on stalkers either. Bit difficult to hide if your body is engulfed in flame.

And trying desperately not to be picky, but failing miserably, Jay, you got the Defender primary and secondary mixed up with the fire powers

Would like to see Lec / Lec on Tanks, regen on brutes and further proliferation of the less common sets. More psi, dark and sonics; think we have enough fire and ice personally.

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PRAF68_EU · 08-23-2008 07:28 AM

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I couldn't see mace / axe on scrappers, nor broadsword / claws on brutes, particularly if there's any truth in the going rogue system.

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I don't follow your reasoning.

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Would like to see Lec / Lec on Tanks, regen on brutes and further proliferation of the less common sets.

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Powersets that need a lot of work to rebalance are less likely, and Electric Armour would be horribly underpowered on tanks, and regen would be horribly overpowered on brutes, without significant alterations.

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SteelRat · 08-23-2008 07:38 AM

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I couldn't see mace / axe on scrappers, nor broadsword / claws on brutes, particularly if there's any truth in the going rogue system.

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I don't follow your reasoning.

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Would like to see Lec / Lec on Tanks, regen on brutes and further proliferation of the less common sets.

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Powersets that need a lot of work to rebalance are less likely, and Electric Armour would be horribly underpowered on tanks, and regen would be horribly overpowered on brutes, without significant alterations.

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Point 1 - If you want a claws brute, roll a claws scrapper and "rogue" him. Ditto with axe scrappers; build an axe brute and turn him into a good guy. At the moment, all of the set combinations are compeltely unique. No two different ATs can have the same primary and secondary. I'd imagine the devs would prefer to keep it this way.

Point 2 - In i12, the powers moved over where chosen because they were the simplest to move without too many major tweaks and changes. I agree that Lec armour for tanks would be underpowered, and to a lesser extent that regen would be overpowered for brutes if they were direct ports. However, there's nothing to say that if these sets were chosen, they wouldn't have the necessary changes made to make them "right"

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Sapphic_Neko · 08-23-2008 07:46 AM

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Point 1 - If you want a claws brute, roll a claws scrapper and "rogue" him. Ditto with axe scrappers; build an axe brute and turn him into a good guy. At the moment, all of the set combinations are compeltely unique. No two different ATs can have the same primary and secondary. I'd imagine the devs would prefer to keep it this way.

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Huh?

Dual Blades and Willpowers are accessible to Scrappers, Brutes and Tankers. And to a certain extent Stalkers, but for them both sets are modified.
And Scrappers and Brutes both have Dual Blades as primary and Willpower as secondary, For tankers just swap em around.
And those aren't the only sets, There's fire melee + fire armor. dark melee + dark armor, super reflexes, invuln. And prob something more i forgot.
Corruptors and Defenders share alot of sets they're just flipped primary vs secondary. Storm, fire blast, etc etc. Mastermind Secondary as well.
Then Dominators and Controllers share their primary.

So your arguments that no AT have have the two same primary and/or secondary is pretty much flawed.

And anyone who played a brute and a scrapper knows they play diffrently. I have a scrapper and a brute who have near identical builds, and those two play diffrently. So even if you have the same they aren't played the same.

PRAF68_EU · 08-23-2008 07:47 AM

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At the moment, all of the set combinations are compeltely unique. No two different ATs can have the same primary and secondary. I'd imagine the devs would prefer to keep it this way

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!!!! Duel Blades/Will Power?

Anyway, given that the devs have said "all powersets will be proliferated eventually" I very much doubt they have this self imposed restriction!

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Point 2 - In i12, the powers moved over where chosen because they were the simplest to move without too many major tweaks and changes. I agree that Lec armour for tanks would be underpowered, and to a lesser extent that regen would be overpowered for brutes if they were direct ports. However, there's nothing to say that if these sets were chosen, they wouldn't have the necessary changes made to make them "right"

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Sure, but they will do the easy ones first, and anyway, since tankers and brutes are getting Shields, I doubt the devs will see the need to proliferate an additional defense set as well, given that they have said that issue 12 was the big one with regards to powerset proliferation.

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SteelRat · 08-23-2008 07:57 AM

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Dual Blades and Willpowers are accessible to Scrappers, Brutes and Tankers. And to a certain extent Stalkers, but for them both sets are modified.
And Scrappers and Brutes both have Dual Blades as primary and Willpower as secondary, For tankers just swap em around.
And those aren't the only sets, There's fire melee + fire armor. dark melee + dark armor, super reflexes, invuln. And prob something more i forgot.
Corruptors and Defenders share alot of sets they're just flipped primary vs secondary. Storm, fire blast, etc etc. Mastermind Secondary as well.
Then Dominators and Controllers share their primary.

So your arguments that no AT have have the two same primary and/or secondary is pretty much flawed.

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No. I didn't say and / or. I said that it is not possible for two different ATs to have the same primary AND secondary. The only exception to that rule is DB / WP. Tanks and Brutes share the same pool of sets, but the primaries and secondaries are reversed. Brutes and Scrappers share the same secondaries, but the primaries are different. Blasters and Corrupters have the same primaries, but the secondaries are different. THAT's what I'm talking about. Scrappers and Stalkers share some of the same primaries and secondaries, in that you could get a claws / regen scrapper and a claws / regen stalker, but even then technially they're different primaries because of the changes needed for stalkers and their AS attack.

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JawDropper_EU · 08-23-2008 08:01 AM

I really want archery for corruptors. I must be weird!

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PRAF68_EU · 08-23-2008 08:01 AM

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I said that it is not possible for two different ATs to have the same primary AND secondary. The only exception to that rule is DB / WP.

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Yes. And I say it is perfectly possible, DB/WP proves it, but it is only one example.

Scrappers and brutes share all these primaries and secondaries, and any combination thereof.

Primares:

Dark Melee (always had this)
Duel Blades
Firey Melee

secondaries:
Dark Armour (always available)
WP
SR
Firey Aura
Invun

And thats not to mention all the powers shared with stalkers.

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_Saphi_ · 08-23-2008 08:02 AM

just a quicky - you should not compare blasters to corruptors due to the fact corrs are more like defenders than blasters

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Sapphic_Neko · 08-23-2008 08:02 AM

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The only exception to that rule is DB / WP.

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Still wrong.

DB/WP
DB/SR
DB/Dark
DB/Fire
DB/Inv
Fire/Fire
Fire/WP
Fire/Dark
Fire/SR
Fire(Inv
Dark/fire
Dark/dark
Dark/SR
Dark/wp
Dark/inv

15 possible combinatiosn which are shared with another AT.

SteelRat · 08-23-2008 08:03 AM

I say it's possible. I just don't think it's likely.

I also say I could be wrong. *shrug*

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SteelRat · 08-23-2008 08:05 AM

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just a quicky - you should not compare blasters to corruptors due to the fact corrs are more like defenders than blasters

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I'm not comparing them as ATs or the way they play. I'm just literally looking at set combination possibilities.

Sapphic. Thanks for that.

Yup I was wrong. I'll shut up now.

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_Saphi_ · 08-23-2008 08:08 AM

but when u put corrs with blasters as blasters/corrs it looks like you are comparing them. brutes and blasters eed some loving from proliferation

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JayLeonHart_EU · 08-23-2008 08:40 AM

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And trying desperately not to be picky, but failing miserably, Jay, you got the Defender primary and secondary mixed up with the fire powers

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Yeah, I noticed that earlier - the re-post in the older thread got the corrected version

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Xemulas · 08-23-2008 08:42 AM

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I really want archery for corruptors. I must be weird!

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Cynic · 08-23-2008 09:04 AM

Hmmmm Arch/traps might be nicer than my arch/dev that's been floundering somewhat since about I8 and going nowhere

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Myopic Aardvark · 08-23-2008 09:11 AM

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Hmmmm Arch/traps might be nicer than my arch/dev that's been floundering somewhat since about I8 and going nowhere

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Chatarsis · 08-23-2008 09:34 AM

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I really want archery for corruptors. I must be weird!

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