Costumes and Helmets
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CactusBrawler,
Posted on: 2008-05-22 11:10 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'd like to throw in my two cents on this as well.
As far as I'm concerned, the "I should get it for free" argument doesn't hold water. If it's something you clearly want, then it has value, and therefore you should start expecting to provide equivalent value in either time, money or effort in order to obtain it.
So, as a veteran reward, as a paid for pack or even as a reward for doing something in game, not for nothing because you feel you're entitled to it.
I went down to the start event for CoV/CoH EU, made a [censored] of myself and got a signed (by the dev team) poster, T shirts, hats etc.
They could offer those things as a prize, vet reward or just give them to every subscriber active on a certain date. Wouldn't bother me because;
- I've had several years access to them nobody else has
- Last time I looked, it is up to the devs/publisher who gets what.
Of course, I'd prefer it if it was either a vet reward or something like the wedding pack, since either option would help fund the game.
The only costume parts I make a point of wearing are things you actually have to put some sort of (EDIT) in game effort into getting - vanguard, witch hat etc.
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But at least I went out and looked, I didn't just whine that I should get the content for free because I'm too lazy or stupid to actually get the pre-order pack. After all it wasn't exactly hard to look at the main City Of Heroes/Villains site and pick from a list of pre-order retailers.
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I went out and looked. Didn't find it. Try again. Maybe you can insert that story about lions and tigers and bears assaulting you every step of the way now, too.
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Because you're right?
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No, because it's a strawman.
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In a word no. You aren't right, you think that because I didn't spend money on something everyone else should have the same thing? I didn't spend any money to get my fifties, should everyone else get one for free? I wrote a book, perhaps not a very good one, but it cost me nothing to write, should everyone get one for free because it cost me no money? This isn't some communist utopia where everyone is equal, if you don't put the effort in, you shouldn't get the rewards. And when as you have pointed out the effort is so minimal I don't see why you are taking issue with putting effort in. Maybe you just want everything given to you on a platter.
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The strawmen continue. \n/
You didn't put jack squat worth of effort in. You had a retailer nearby that was taking pre-orders. End of. You were not out writing fantastic novels, curing Cancer or doing anything worthy of calling "effort". You got lucky, pure and simple.
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They bought two games and got a freebie, I bought two games and had to buy the extra content for extra money. By your system of logic I should have got the freebie for free
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They still put down money for it. They put more effort into earning the money for it than you put effort into finding a retail outlet with pre-orders. 
But I'm going in circles. Ducking and evading the point just shows shoddy your base argument is. Puff yourself up all you want, but all you did was find a nearby store with pre-orders. That's it. People shouldn't have to put down money for something they, for whatever reason, couldn't get to when others had it for zero cost to themselves.
But hey, I'm sure those crippling wounds the Ninja Assassins gave you during your deadly voyage were all worth it.
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Hard to pre-order a game when you only learned about its existance 2 years after it was released.
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^This
Seriously, that are hundreds if not thousands of ppl (who likely don't use the forums btw) who found out about this game well after the pre-orders were done.
In fact the game had been out for over a year or two before i even knew about it. (Just got my 12 month badge)
I notice how absoultely no one picked up on that....
...so yea, as a person never had a chance to pre-order without a time machine handy, i would happily pay to get them ala marrige pack stylee.
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Hard to pre-order a game when you only learned about its existance 2 years after it was released.
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^ ^ This
Because I didn't know about the pre-order/couldn't find it anywhere/was tight on money/Whatever, there should still be a way to get the content you missed out on. Even if it means paying a little extra for it.
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Well it looks like popular opinion is fine to pay a micro-transaction for the pre-order extras (me included), so I don't see a problem with it.
It wouldn't be right to give them away for free as having the pre-order is kind of a reward for loyalty, but if everyone else has to pay for them then the people who got them originally can still feel a bit special.
I agree with you Gilmore. Considering the amount of demand from players for this type of extra content, it would be stupid of the Devs to pass up the opportunity to use it to raise additional revenue (ala the Wedding Pack).
Players then have the choice to either buy it or choose not to, and neither choice actually effects the game in any way.
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Straw Man argument?
Perhaps so but how do you argue with someone who will not actually respond to the original points?
I feel I earned a reward by doing things that were admittedly very simple, I feel it is then wrong just to grant that same reward to everyone who wants it without some cost to them be that monetary or by doing something in game to receive the same reward.
Instead of saying that I'm wrong you pick my thoughts and character apart.
1)Getting hold of the Pre-order version of CoV was no more difficult than doing a small amount of research, without evening needing to trawl through a vast number of sites to find hidden information. A list of pre-order retailers was present on the main City of Heroes/Villains website and I would think (don't remember now) that that page was linked to from the forums.
2)The difference between pre-order CoV and non-pre-order CoV was the addition of a small amount of code to the sign-up details, the actual package and contents didn't differ at all (I have both in-front of me one pre-order and one normal retail they are Identical, yet I have the special helmet on one account and not on the other). There was no difference in price between the two packs.
3)I have never said nor will that people who didn't pre-order the game should not have access to the special parts, I feel however because those of, mostly, who got the pre-order put a little more thought into buying the game than those who didn't, it should not be a case of just giving said items away.
4)The pre-order version of the game cost no more than a standard version of the game. However you did need to pre-order it. This from my understanding has two reasons, the first is to give retailers reason to stock a game, to make them want to get the game in so that people can buy it. And also so that publishers can see if a game is going to sell well. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-order)
So rather than just reiterating your most recent points:
1)I'm whining.
2)I'm lucky.
3)My argument is worthless because you are right.
Perhaps you could explain why I am wrong?
The fact is those of us who pre-ordered the game thought ahead and pre-ordered a game on spec, we decided that we wanted to play a game before it was released and so went to order the game before hand, thus we were rewarded. People who didn't pre-order didn't get the reward because they did nothing special.
A lot of games (and other products) offer incentives for pre-order customers (World of Warcraft gave away free in game mini-pets), if those games and other products were sold with the clear thought in mind that the pre-order bonus items were going to be given away free in the future to all customers then surely there would be no point in giving them away as bonus items in the first place. If the bonus item we received was a 5% discount on the cost of the game would you now be calling for a 5% rebate for all players?
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For those people who came to the game too late to buy anything pre-order, I don't actually see how one costume piece that only a few people have is going to in anyway hurt your gaming experience any more than if you started playing WoW and had no access to the pre-order mini-pets. However there is no reason why the item cannot be added as a vet reward or sold in a addon pack, I still might not like it but it would at least be fair.
This game is not some kind of communist utopia, we are not equal. Some of us play more, some of us pay more, some of us are better at the game and hell some of us are better at talking or arguing a point. If you want everyone to be the same and have the same rewards regardless of actual work then you will quickly bring the game to the point where nothing is earned and everyone is identical. If that is what you genuinely think the game should be then I guess there really is nothing to be gained from arguing this subject. I genuinely believe that we all should earn our rewards even if that means I will never be able to be identical to my friends, my two accounts will never have the same vet rewards or costume items.
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Wow. Very nice
Gotta say, I didn't think this thread would turn into such a heated debate.
You make good points, LostNinja For those that were not around when the game was released, it does seem 'fair' to allow them to 'earn' them another way - monetary being a good option. Veteran rewards are another way, I suppose, but I don't think the two concepts gel.
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True spoken.
Well, simple solution.
These pre-order helmets are not a Vet reward. I'm happy that this threads get listened to by the devs, and this is what I was hoping for. In time - a complete wardrobe of available costume pieces.
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These pre-order helmets are not a Vet reward. I'm happy that this threads get listened to by the devs, and this is what I was hoping for. In time - a complete wardrobe of available costume pieces.
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That's not what the 51 month badge, Tried and True, states.
But from the rest of your post, I guess you ment that they are Vet rewards.
Typo.Long day at work. Should have read 'are NOW a vet reward'.
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Before I posted this, I was looking for ways in which to acquire the other three pre-order discs, before I realised you couldn't 'stack' them.
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If you had them on a US toon and transferred that over whilst it was possible the costume pieces should have transferred as well and would have presumably have stacked with the EU one (assuming you already had it)- although I did find my sprints didn't transfer properly at that time - they appeared on some existing characters and disappeared from one of those that was transferred - irrelevant now as the vet awards gave most of them anyway afterwards.
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Just to throw in my view.
I have the original CoH version that I got imported, I also have the EU Deluxe Edition, as well as the DVD version of CoV, the Collecter's Edition of CoV and the GvE edition. If there was any way to add these pre-order exclusives to my account, be it:
A. Playing long enough - vet rewards like the pre-order sprints
B. Paying for it - like the wedding pack
C. Achieving something ingame - such as epic ATs
D. Being able to add a pre-order code to an existing account - I already have 4 CoX accounts as it is, I don't need a 5th
So, asking for there to be a way to get something I can't currently get in the same manner that those who did not pre-order CoH got those prestige sprints, does not seem entirely unreasonable.
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