Don't enter RV and moan when u get attacked
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Baby_Phoenix,
Posted on: 2008-01-09 10:59 in Everything about PvP
SweetChilli, apparently.
And this isn't a Super Hero game, it's a discussion forum for PvP, which is why we're using it to discuss whether PvP is a science or not.
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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Then play a super hero, not a PLer, not a farmer..oh and try RP too.
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lmfao try RP. Where does it say heroes don't powerlevel? That i'm afraid is your opinion which isn't really a fact is it? How's it going on US servers btw? Heard people love you already.
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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Then play a super hero, not a PLer, not a farmer..oh and try RP too.
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lmfao try RP. Where does it say heroes don't powerlevel? That i'm afraid is your opinion which isn't really a fact is it? How's it going on US servers btw? Heard people love you already.
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Neither is your opinion based on fact. Incidentally science doesn't deal with facts neither so everyone is entitled to an opinion aren't they. People read what words that there are through text then add words that aren't there in text.
On US servers I play both protagonist and antagonist. Thats it.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of science. Every particle of matter and every bit of energy are governed by scientific rules. We may not have all of those rules in our books but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Religion and art are not the opposite of science. They too are subject to laws and theorems. Art is quite scientific. Anyone remember the golden rectangle? Religion is studied part of social sciences like psycology and sociology.
Like I say, every particle or group of particles is subject to laws. Just because we don't know the complete formula, doesn't mean that those laws don't exist.
I don't know the formula for why some people like the Mona Lisa - but that doesn't mean that there isn't one.
@Sweet Chilli
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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Then play a super hero, not a PLer, not a farmer..oh and try RP too.
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Globey RP PvPs all the time.
He's #1 at it
@Rooks
"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."
Facts:
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There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of science. Every particle of matter and every bit of energy are governed by scientific rules. We may not have all of those rules in our books but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Religion and art are not the opposite of science. They too are subject to laws and theorems. Art is quite scientific. Anyone remember the golden rectangle? Religion is studied part of social sciences like psycology and sociology.
Like I say, every particle or group of particles is subject to laws. Just because we don't know the complete formula, doesn't mean that those laws don't exist.
I don't know the formula for why some people like the Mona Lisa - but that doesn't mean that there isn't one.
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So when people see Angels and Ghosts, is there a scientific way of proving they exist? You might be able to prove the person is suffering hallucinations but that doesn't mean they weren't visited by celestial beings while they were hallucinating.
Note: The person who saw the celestial beings, was the one hallucinating. Its not the celestial beings who are hallucinating. Although I have no idea if they do or not as I have never been visited by them. Unless I didn't realise it.
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There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of science. Every particle of matter and every bit of energy are governed by scientific rules. We may not have all of those rules in our books but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Religion and art are not the opposite of science. They too are subject to laws and theorems. Art is quite scientific. Anyone remember the golden rectangle? Religion is studied part of social sciences like psycology and sociology.
Like I say, every particle or group of particles is subject to laws. Just because we don't know the complete formula, doesn't mean that those laws don't exist.
I don't know the formula for why some people like the Mona Lisa - but that doesn't mean that there isn't one.
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You've confused science and the natural laws.
Natural laws are, by definition, the rules absolutely everything obeys, so while "There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of natural laws" is true, it doesn't actually say anything useful.
Science, on the other hand, is an entirely human activity - the process we use to try to infer what the natural laws are, so we can make predictions and plan our actions on the basis of how we think things will behave.
As the link Shannon posted said, strictly speaking science doesn't definitively prove what things are; rather, it involves putting forward a hypothesis as to how things might work, then attempting to disprove it by observation. If enough attempts at disproof fail, it's provisionally accepted as an accurate reflection of the way things work. That's where theories (c.f. Relativity) come from.
A lot of things can be subjected to the scientific process, from the fundamental behaviour of the universe (physics) to the rather fuzzier behaviour of people and cultures (anthropology, sociology, etc...)
Some things, like religion, are just plain outside of science - if you propose the existence of an omnipotent, supernatural and invisible God, who only intervenes in an observable way when He/She/It chooses, there's just no experiment you can do to disprove such a proposition. You can attempt to form a scientific argument as to why people follow religions, c.f. Dawkins, but that's a different matter again - such an argument doesn't address the truth or falsehood of a religion itself.
Similarly art doesn't really involve any sort of falsifiable hypothesis. An artist will paint/draw/build/whatever something, and say "That's art". Some people may agree with that, others may not, but there's no generally accepted way of proving the matter one way or another. So producing, or judging, art isn't a scientific process.
You see the difference?
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There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of science. Every particle of matter and every bit of energy are governed by scientific rules. We may not have all of those rules in our books but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Religion and art are not the opposite of science. They too are subject to laws and theorems. Art is quite scientific. Anyone remember the golden rectangle? Religion is studied part of social sciences like psycology and sociology.
Like I say, every particle or group of particles is subject to laws. Just because we don't know the complete formula, doesn't mean that those laws don't exist.
I don't know the formula for why some people like the Mona Lisa - but that doesn't mean that there isn't one.
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You've confused science and the natural laws.
Natural laws are, by definition, the rules absolutely everything obeys, so while "There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of natural laws" is true, it doesn't actually say anything useful.
Science, on the other hand, is an entirely human activity - the process we use to try to infer what the natural laws are, so we can make predictions and plan our actions on the basis of how we think things will behave.
As the link Shannon posted said, strictly speaking science doesn't definitively prove what things are; rather, it involves putting forward a hypothesis as to how things might work, then attempting to disprove it by observation. If enough attempts at disproof fail, it's provisionally accepted as an accurate reflection of the way things work. That's where theories (c.f. Relativity) come from.
A lot of things can be subjected to the scientific process, from the fundamental behaviour of the universe (physics) to the rather fuzzier behaviour of people and cultures (anthropology, sociology, etc...)
Some things, like religion, are just plain outside of science - if you propose the existence of an omnipotent, supernatural and invisible God, who only intervenes in an observable way when He/She/It chooses, there's just no experiment you can do to disprove such a proposition. You can attempt to form a scientific argument as to why people follow religions, c.f. Dawkins, but that's a different matter again - such an argument doesn't address the truth or falsehood of a religion itself.
Similarly art doesn't really involve any sort of falsifiable hypothesis. An artist will paint/draw/build/whatever something, and say "That's art". Some people may agree with that, others may not, but there's no generally accepted way of proving the matter one way or another. So producing, or judging, art isn't a scientific process.
You see the difference?
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Nope - you've taken the word science in a very narrow context. A common mistake.
@Sweet Chilli
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Nope - you've taken the word science in a very narrow context. A common mistake.
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Care to explain?
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Nope - you've taken the word science in a very narrow context. A common mistake.
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Really? I've taken my definition on the basis of personal experience, and every dictionary/encyclopaedia entry I've ever seen.
What's your definition, and what supporting references are available?
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Nope - you've taken the word science in a very narrow context. A common mistake.
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Sharp jab from Chilli....
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Really? I've taken my definition on the basis of personal experience, and every dictionary/encyclopaedia entry I've ever seen.
What's your definition, and what supporting references are available?
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Straight right and an upper cut from Standoff.....
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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What about someone called Captian Science? 
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of science. Every particle of matter and every bit of energy are governed by scientific rules. We may not have all of those rules in our books but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Religion and art are not the opposite of science. They too are subject to laws and theorems. Art is quite scientific. Anyone remember the golden rectangle? Religion is studied part of social sciences like psycology and sociology.
Like I say, every particle or group of particles is subject to laws. Just because we don't know the complete formula, doesn't mean that those laws don't exist.
I don't know the formula for why some people like the Mona Lisa - but that doesn't mean that there isn't one.
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You've confused science and the natural laws.
Natural laws are, by definition, the rules absolutely everything obeys, so while "There is nothing that you can prove exists that doesn't fall into the realm of natural laws" is true, it doesn't actually say anything useful.
Science, on the other hand, is an entirely human activity - the process we use to try to infer what the natural laws are, so we can make predictions and plan our actions on the basis of how we think things will behave.
As the link Shannon posted said, strictly speaking science doesn't definitively prove what things are; rather, it involves putting forward a hypothesis as to how things might work, then attempting to disprove it by observation. If enough attempts at disproof fail, it's provisionally accepted as an accurate reflection of the way things work. That's where theories (c.f. Relativity) come from.
A lot of things can be subjected to the scientific process, from the fundamental behaviour of the universe (physics) to the rather fuzzier behaviour of people and cultures (anthropology, sociology, etc...)
Some things, like religion, are just plain outside of science - if you propose the existence of an omnipotent, supernatural and invisible God, who only intervenes in an observable way when He/She/It chooses, there's just no experiment you can do to disprove such a proposition. You can attempt to form a scientific argument as to why people follow religions, c.f. Dawkins, but that's a different matter again - such an argument doesn't address the truth or falsehood of a religion itself.
Similarly art doesn't really involve any sort of falsifiable hypothesis. An artist will paint/draw/build/whatever something, and say "That's art". Some people may agree with that, others may not, but there's no generally accepted way of proving the matter one way or another. So producing, or judging, art isn't a scientific process.
You see the difference?
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Nope - you've taken the word science in a very narrow context. A common mistake.
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"It depends on your definition of the word is is" 
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Nope - you've taken the word science in a very narrow context. A common mistake.
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Sharp jab from Chilli....
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Really? I've taken my definition on the basis of personal experience, and every dictionary/encyclopaedia entry I've ever seen.
What's your definition, and what supporting references are available?
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Straight right and an upper cut from Standoff.....
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Perhaps they could take it to the Arena?
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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Then play a super hero, not a PLer, not a farmer..oh and try RP too.
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Globey RP PvPs all the time.
He's #1 at it
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He pretends he's the number one PvPer you mean?
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
So glad to see that my original post has digressed into many flaming wars, boy am i glad i read through of all of this to discover what is and what isnt a science, because there aren''t any other websites on the net that could give me that kind of information.
Still, nice to see 85 responses on one of my threads 
Have fun PVPing guys and like i said before, they are just pixels.
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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What about someone called Captian Science?
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What about him?
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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What about someone called Captian Science?
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What about him?
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Does he have a place in a superhero game?
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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So glad to see that my original post has digressed into many flaming wars, boy am i glad i read through of all of this to discover what is and what isnt a science, because there aren''t any other websites on the net that could give me that kind of information.
Still, nice to see 85 responses on one of my threads
Have fun PVPing guys and like i said before, they are just pixels.
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*Ganks Blaps scientifically*
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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What about someone called Captian Science?
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What about him?
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Does he have a place in a superhero game?
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Yeah, theres not just him either, theres loads of Super Heroes with a science origin. Its not just about them though. There are other origins. Magic for instance.
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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What about someone called Captian Science?
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What about him?
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Does he have a place in a superhero game?
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Yeah, theres not just him either, theres loads of Super Heroes with a science origin. Its not just about them though. There are other origins. Magic for instance.
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But are the science ones better at PvP than the magic ones?
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
Wouldn't know, don't really care. Most of mine are Tech origin.
PLing and farming is a science.
Dunno why the [censored] that came up btw rofl
As if what Globey does in his spare time depicts his right to partake in a discussion. It's like saying "You have no right to take part in a discussion about the economy, you're a homosexual!"
@Rooks
"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."
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Who gives a flying what Science is? If you haven't failed to realise, this IS a Super Hero game.. NOT a science
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Then play a super hero, not a PLer, not a farmer..oh and try RP too.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.