who's Ex-Libris?
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who's Ex-Libris?
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US community coordiantor.
The poll i refer to can be found here
Some moderator on US Boards
I already sent Kerensky a PM on forums about this. Anyways my vote goes to Union
ok just to clear it up.Please dont state your preference rather than just your thoughts on this. I prefer the poll to be set up and then have an announcement across all servers so that PvPers start preparing where to gather etc.I just not want this to turn into dispute which server should be rather than what action to take towards enhancing PvP in EU.
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ok just to clear it up.Please dont state your preference rather than just your thoughts on this. I prefer the poll to be set up and then have an announcement across all servers so that PvPers start preparing where to gather etc.I just not want this to turn into dispute which server should be rather than what action to take towards enhancing PvP in EU.
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Very good point!
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Its a good idea, which under the right circumstances I would be up for, the only problem I foresee is that some people are going to be paying through the eyeballs to move all there pvp alts to this server (whichever it might be).
Maybe if the character transfer thing had a "move all" for a set price?
whoa!
(and I'm not too keen on the whole 1 server for PvP idea. What happens to new players who choose the "wrong" server for instance?)
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Ok I wrote a long post but I think I got stuck a timeout and its lost. Second try;
Is it too hard to adopt a system like the battlegrouns of world of warcraft?
in wow there are BGs which were basicaly pvp zones with aims or themes. Because they needed to have same number of opponents on both sides in the past if you were on a low population server (or a server with a low pvp population) you might have ended up waiting for hours in queue to enter one. After some deliberation they changed the system so that one BG zone was used by 4 different servers. This solved the low population problems without making people move servers.
I have no idea about the technical probability of this or if this an easy thing to do or not but seeing that CoX Europe has 4 servers and 4 pvp zones I think something like this would solve low pvp population problems.
I have to add that I have no pvp knowledge of this game (semi-new player, no char high enough for zones yet) just making an observation.
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whoa!
(and I'm not too keen on the whole 1 server for PvP idea. What happens to new players who choose the "wrong" server for instance?)
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a) Level up all over again in the PvP server
b) transfer to PvP server
Currently a) stands anyway as most people who want to PvP in zones with a few more people and above Sirens Call either roll new toons in Union or in US servers.
I think this is a wonderful idea, nice thinking Greek. But the best option here would have to be Test Server, would it not?
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With the character transfer nearing i would like to see PvP community getting organised to finally move things up a bit.
I will direct Kerensky to this thread as well to have his input.
I would like to see a poll about the unofficial PvP server that will be cross-communicated across all 4 servers so we finally manage to get a move on and start jump starting the zones into action.
A similar poll was made in US as well posted by Ex-Libris herself so with character transfer so close now i think is pretty important to take similar action and start sorting ourselves out.If Kerensky agrees to it we could ask some help in communicating towards French and German players so we start gathering asap in one server for some fun and frolics rather than being scattered.
This is not a post about which server should but rather about having all PvPers gathered in one server where we could make CoX PvP liven up and flourish in EU as well and not force people going in US to have some fun.
I know there are language barriers and so on but hey fun is a universal thing no matter what just like love 
and we all now PvP is all about cuddling 
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Awesome idea. (Also buff PvP Server's XP x100 so i can lvl to 50 with 1 Hellion plx)
This thread -> Epic win, yo.
Not that i want to be the one coming with downsides, but someone has to
Just as an example; what about those who can't afford paying the fee to transfer their toon? (yes it might not be a huge sum originally but depending on currency it sure can become one)
Honestly i think this would be a good idea under certain circumstances. (i.e. free transfering) but going from several servers with decent amount of PvP action to 1 with all the action and 3 with none (leaving some ppl behind to run around in PvPzones alone with the npc's) really isnt something i would want to thrive for. my 2 cents worth 
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers
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whoa!
(and I'm not too keen on the whole 1 server for PvP idea. What happens to new players who choose the "wrong" server for instance?)
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Agreed.
Also, they've always had the ability to announce a PvP server; they certainly didn't need to wait for character transfer to do it. PvP was introduced with CoV almost two years ago, and that's when one should've been announced. Since it wasn't, PvP toons have been created across multiple servers. It would seem to me hypocritical of them to announce a PvP server only now that they can make money off of transferring characters that could've been created on a PvP server had one been available. This wouldn't be a courtesy to PvPers, but a money-making tool to NCPlay.
And what about those that don't want to pay to transfer? They'll be left PvPing on a server with even less PvPers.
Unless NCPlay announced, say, a one month grace period on character transfers. I won't hold my breath on that, though. Otherwise, I have to say 'no' to this.
In any event, I think the long standing suggestion of making the PvP zones cross-server is the best way to solve the low PvP population problem. Sure it requires more dev time, but that way you don't have to commit to a specific server to get decent PvP, people that create their toon without knowing about PvP won't be locked into transferring away from friends should they later decide to go for it, and the German and French speaking crowd don't have to PvE on a mostly English server.
Ok let me clear it up a bit. Arena PvP will benefit from this as well but Arena has Test Server anyway.
What are the pros and cons of such an implementation now:
Pros:
- Action in PvP zones in an unofficial PvP server will be much higher.
- PvP community will be gathered in one server allowing events with much more interest and on a regular basis, PvP arena tourneys could even end up being held at the rates of costume contests.
- It will be interesting to see how 4 different servers with maybe different "PvP cultures" and habbits will mix.
- It will sparkle more interest in PvP imho.
The cons:
-Yes the rest 3 servers pvp activity will go down to 0 but at the moment the zonal activity is scattered. Last week i went every day on Defiant Sirens Call and Warburg during GMT afternoon times. 1-2 people in SC and 0 on WB as usual and had to head back to Union.
- People will have to pay to transfer their already established toons or will be forced to roll new toons.
Well not much there can be done about this.It's up to NCSoft how much they are willing to help on this,like offering options for one price move of many toons for people that want to move a lot of toons or something like that.
But apart from that it's a game and it's either about making one server with loads of PvP action where we can enjoy PvP or having 4 average to minimum PvP action where we moan about activity.
- As Archy said, what happens to new players. Well this is kind of a blind spot to be honest. Either NCSoft needs to help with this by giving out some info about which server has an unofficial role as something or through the boards and word of mouth this could be communicated.With a sticky let's say in new players section.Other than that nothing much can be done.
I am sorry to say but i am wondering why the US servers are already having a poll about Unofficial PvP servers and we are getting nothing.Our opinion is ditched or what?
This is the official disclaimer that Ex Libris posted in the poll
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*Disclaimer* This poll is for the active PvP Community to determine where the most active PvP community already exists so they can mobilize their efforts during server transfers to help establish and build a stronger PvP community.
If you do not PvP or are not interested in learning how to PvP please do not participate in this poll.
Thank you,
Ex Libris
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Ex Libris post dates 07/23/07
We should have one by now as well and yet nothing.
The friggin US servers are getting mobilised to enhance the PvP action and we sitting here debating?
I wonder why nothing like this has been posted here.
Why we dont have a PvP Guides/binds section and a PvP challenge section.
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I am sorry to say but i am wondering why the US servers are already having a poll about Unofficial PvP servers and we are getting nothing.Our opinion is ditched or what?
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As I've been pointed out again and again, perhaps because European and American cultures are different*? The US NC is all for it I'm sure because they'll get a ton of money. I'm very glad it hasn't been thrown on us here and that we instead get to debate whether it should happen at all.
I personally think there are too many reasons why it should be left as is--no official PvP server. (see my post above)
*Disclaimer: I'm an American living in the UK for four years now.
And here is Ex Libris response regarding some concerns raised in that poll about transferring many toons and so on
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I think the gist of this poll though would allow people to make a pro active attempt to building up characters in already healthy PvP environments and not having to rely on the transfer service except in the case of that one or two main toons.
The further you push out the decisions while still leveling up toons on less vital pvp servers the less options you may have in the future other than server transfers.
If people want to start toons on Freedom they can do that. Transferring over, not likely to happen in the beginning.
If people want to start toons on Infinity, Champion, or Liberty they can do that, with the likely chance they can move other toons over later as well.
It comes down to giving you all options to increase your ability to PvP on a live server with an already healthy PvP community.
I think this poll is more about what you will choose to do today instead of what you will choose to do when transfers are available.
At least that is how I would be approaching that situation, unless I consider myself part of the Hardcore Test population in which case it doesn't matter, I just have to deal with the 3x's a year when my server of choice will be closed for a few weeks.
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As I've been pointed out again and again, perhaps because European and American cultures are different*? The US NC is all for it I'm sure because they'll get a ton of money. I'm very glad it hasn't been thrown on us here and that we instead get to debate whether it should happen at all.
I personally think there are too many reasons why it should be left as is--no official PvP server. (see my post above)
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First of all.Noone will be forced to move since this will be an unofficial server.Second of all this is not something to debate uppon really but to have the PvP community vote on it and this is what is happening on US boards atm. People are voting regarding the idea of having an Unofficial PvP server and thats the best way to decide on this. I can give you 1 million reasons why there should be one and you can give me 1 million reasons why there shouldnt be one. But at the end of the day if 500 PvPers dont want an unofficial PvP server and 10 want then there cant be one because the majority has spoken and vice versa.
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And here is Ex Libris response regarding some concerns raised in that poll about transferring many toons and so on
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The further you push out the decisions while still leveling up toons on less vital pvp servers the less options you may have in the future other than server transfers.
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If there's going to be an official PvP server, why leave PvP zones on the other servers? Why not make them PvE only? I think plenty of PvEers would be happy with this, actually, and I don't see a reason for leaving PvP zones in on non-PvP servers, since having an official PvP server would greatly reduce the number of PvPers on them.
No, I don't think his argument holds water. And I think he's being at the least a little naive when he says having an official PvP server will mean 'not having to rely on the transfer service except in the case of that one or two main toons.' I think PvPers with toons on the non-PvP server will feel pressured into paying to transfer many toons across.
Again, the best long-term move would be for them to make the PvP zones cross-server. I'd much rather wait for that than to find myself left on the 'other' server and being stuck with these choices:
1) Continue PvPing on a server where PvP is dying a quick death
2) Recreating my toon on a new server
3) Paying to transfer my existing toon to the PvP server just so I can continue doing what I've been paying to do
And both option 2 and 3 will mean a name change, as my toon's name is already taken on the other server. I'm sure I'm not the only one this would apply to.
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First of all.Noone will be forced to move since this will be an unofficial server.
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I didn't understand this would be 'unofficial'. So you're saying there will be no indication when selecting a server that it's 'the' PvP server? How is that any different than it is now, then? I thought we already had an 'unofficial' PvP server, no?
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Second of all this is not something to debate uppon really but to have the PvP community vote on it and this is what is happening on US boards atm.
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How can you have a proper vote if you don't have a debate about the positives and negatives first? When I first read your post, I thought, sure, good idea. But then I read some posts against and started to think about the repurcussions and realised I didn't like the idea so much after all.
I think having the debate before any official vote is necessary, so people have a better idea of how things would work before blinding voting one way or the other. YMMV, I suppose. But I personally am glad no vote has happened yet.
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I think having the debate before any official vote is necessary, so people have a better idea of how things would work before blinding voting one way or the other. YMMV, I suppose. But I personally am glad no vote has happened yet.
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I agree on this with you after giving it some thought
If im gonna vote, it goes to Union, since we obviously have the most pvp'ers ---> less moving.
All this is IMO.
In an ideal world it would be cool if people had PvP toons on each server and there be a PvP channel which says which server/zone there is action. This guards against the huge problem of new players unable to pvp because they chose the wrong server.
Saying that an ideal world would be a common arena & zones in EU servers and a common US/EU test server
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I am not a hard PvPer, but I don't like much this idea, as I usually do PvP with nearly all my toons.
I have 75% of probability that the official/unofficial PvP server won't be defiant (on which i have all my main toons).
No way I'm going to spend money to transfer my chars especially as I am currently an SG leader and this makes me bound to Defiant (I got friends and a bit of responsibility).
Nonetheless, I like HOW the US poll has been set up, I'd like to see the same poll here.
But, to be honest, I am really looking forward to that "server-less" environment Bridger mentioned some week ago when announcing character transfer/rename. Especially if server-less implies PvP zones and arenas.
I really like to have more information on that.
With the character transfer nearing i would like to see PvP community getting organised to finally move things up a bit.
and we all now PvP is all about cuddling 
I will direct Kerensky to this thread as well to have his input.
I would like to see a poll about the unofficial PvP server that will be cross-communicated across all 4 servers so we finally manage to get a move on and start jump starting the zones into action.
A similar poll was made in US as well posted by Ex-Libris herself so with character transfer so close now i think is pretty important to take similar action and start sorting ourselves out.If Kerensky agrees to it we could ask some help in communicating towards French and German players so we start gathering asap in one server for some fun and frolics rather than being scattered.
This is not a post about which server should but rather about having all PvPers gathered in one server where we could make CoX PvP liven up and flourish in EU as well and not force people going in US to have some fun.
I know there are language barriers and so on but hey fun is a universal thing no matter what just like love