From: Kerensky
Hi,
err... not at the moment. I'm really, really busy.
And me, an official posting this poll, could lead people to jump to conclusions.
Let me think about this again, when we have a replacement for Bridger.
Thank you!
I don't mind moving to defiant. Who cares if new players wont have pvp. I doubt there is any action on the french and the german servers anyways? And defiant isn't so buisy either. They are already dead and we want to bring them alive.
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If im gonna vote, it goes to Union, since we obviously have the most pvp'ers ---> less moving.
All this is IMO.
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You have the most vocal PvPers.
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lol @ that coming from xanthus
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If im gonna vote, it goes to Union, since we obviously have the most pvp'ers ---> less moving.
All this is IMO.
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You have the most vocal PvPers.
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lol @ that coming from xanthus
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@Rooks
"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."
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Who cares if new players wont have pvp.
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Eh? Um... the new players? And existing players that care about increasing the PvP community? Just because you don't care if it causes confusion/trouble for newcomers doesn't mean no one else cares or that it doesn't affect anyone.
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I doubt there is any action on the french and the german servers anyways?
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And you base this on, what? Even accepting that there are fewer PvPers on these servers than Union or Defiant (and I have no idea one way or the other about that), that's even more reason not to push them away from their own server. If a server is named 'the' PvP server, not every PvPer will chose to move across. So those that don't will find fewer PvPers to play with/against. And some PvPers do PvE and are often members of supergroups that do more than just PvP, so it makes no sense for them to leave.
And, really, everyone seems to be assuming the PvP server would be one of the English-speaking ones because we 'obviously' have more PvPers. What if that doesn't turn out to be the case? Would you still be happy if, say, Vigilance turned out to be the PvP server?
Now put yourself in the shoes of a French or German PvPer who finds an English server is announced as 'the' PvP server.
Just to lay some thoughts here:
- I am prepared to move to any server all of my toons for pvp and do my best to have as much active pvp zonal or in arena as possible
- I dont care which server will be but:
- Union is most active PvP server atm and thats a fact.There is PvP in every zone going on and comparing to Defiant is a fact there is nowhere near same activity.
- Arena is sorted in test server true but going on a live server with lots of PvPers would enhance Arena action imho
- The ideal would be what Phil said to link EU/US zones and arena true.
I just want some action to be taken to have some more fun during PvP.
Thing is why keep pvp spread out when it's spread out its pretty dead. all i have to say
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Thing is why keep pvp spread out when it's spread out its pretty dead. all i have to say
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Huh 
In English ?
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Thing is why keep pvp spread out when it's spread out its pretty dead. all i have to say
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Huh
In English ?
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To have the small number of pvpers spread across multiple servers means there isnt much action anywhere. I believe is the gist lol
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
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Thing is why keep pvp spread out when it's spread out its pretty dead. all i have to say
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Huh
In English ?
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To have the small number of pvpers spread across multiple servers means there isnt much action anywhere. I believe is the gist lol
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I think he means that PvP is already dead, and by moving servers we make it die more.
/e crai
I vote yes for the unofficial PvP server where ever it may be... except the test server which I don't use.
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@8Qbit
i vote vigilance
Really, the more I think about this the less I like it. I can see why this would work for the US, but I honestly don't think it'll do any good here.
I don't see casual PvPers as switching servers for PvP. (I see casual PvPers as those that like to PvE as well, not that they're any less good at PvP than hardcore PvPers, who I see as those who pretty much exclusively PvP. Again, casual vs harcore in the context of this post doesn't have anything to do with skill or ability at PvP, but the ratio of PvE to PvP gameplay.)
Casual PvPers will certainly have made friends that don't PvP who won't move, may be members of supergroups that won't move, already have a name they may not be able to transfer, etc. Why would they switch servers when they're involved with a community that does more than just PvP? They'd lose their identity. I just don't see the promise of a kick-[censored] PvP community as reason enough for the casual PvPer to move servers.
Accepting the assumption that the French and German servers are the least PvP-populated, if their PvPers were happy to choose a server purely based on PvP regardless of language, they would already be playing on Defiant or Union since these servers supposedly have many more PvPers. So I also don't see French and German PvPers as switching over to Union or Defiant if one them were named 'the' EU PvP server.
So that leaves just the English-speaking, hardcore PvPers as possible server-switchers.
For the EU, that's just two servers. For the US, it's 11. I can see why the US would flag one as the PvP server: it would allow hardcore PvPers and SGs to transfer and one server to really develop a kick-[censored] PvP community. Spread across 10 servers, I can see this would make a significant increase on the server chosen for PvP. At the same time, I don't see PvP on the remaining servers as being hurt, because I don't see hardcore PvPers as making up the majority of PvPers; their migration from any one server shouldn't really have a huge negative impact of PvP on their server.
That brings us to the EU severs. Again, we have two likely servers for the choice. One would be flagged PvP, the other would be the one hardcore PvPers will migrate from. Again, I don't see the casual PvPers leaving, just the hardcore ones and their SGs. And again, I don't think they make up a majority of PvPers.
So what will be the impact of flagging one as 'the' PvP server in Europe? Not much, I don't think. Initially, at least. Some (most?) hardcore PvPers will leave the 'other' server. Is that a large number? I don't know. I don't partake in big PvP events; I play too casually, an hour here, two there. But I guess these events are what would be affected the most, postively on the chosen server, negatively on the other. But I do think it'll hurt PvP in the long run on, even more so on the server flagged PvP.
Why? When I first started CoV, I had no interest in PvP. It wasn't until the higher levels that I wanted to try it out. If one server had been designated as PvP when I first joined, I would've avoided it. What percentage of new players are interested in PvP from the get-go? I'd guess (possibly incorrectly) fewer than those that aren't interested in it. So flagging a server as PvP will make it less attractive to those that aren't into PvP in the first place, and I think in the long term that will be worse for PvP than leaving things as is, where PvP is relatively evenly spread.
All that said, I think the best option for increasing PvP populations remains making the PvP zones cross-server, and I think that'd be well worth the dev time to do. (Which would probably not work in the US, 'cause it'd put too many players in one zone! They'd have to put the servers into PvP groups for this.)
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Who cares if new players wont have pvp.
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Good god, Psydock, you're one of the dumbest people I've ever met on an MMO - and I play World Of Warcraft.
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i vote vigilance
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sacré bleu!
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
So... if it was zukunft what would you have said? 
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So... if it was zukunft what would you have said?
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Du brenzt dein Hund!!!! or something like this,was one of the first expressions i was taught 
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So... if it was zukunft what would you have said?
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"Don't mention the war"?
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So... if it was zukunft what would you have said?
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"Don't mention the war"?
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"shoot the glass"
I for sure will NOT be moving any toons from Defiant merely because, Union is named the 'Unofficial PvP server.'
Now let's face it, we all know Union is going to win any 'Unofficial Poll,' that is the result of this thread, merely because its PvPers, more regularly frequent the forums and post on topics like this. To be honest, I wouldn't want half the PvPers I have witnessed on Union to come over to my server anyway, if some freak act of nature made Defiant the winner in this 'poll.'
This will be yet another blow to the D, where the communinty is already suffering due to many, recently switched players. So I ask you this, if Union is getting all the PvPers from Defiant, can we have all your PvEers? Pretty Please? Didn't think so...
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I for sure will NOT be moving any toons from Defiant merely because, Union is named the 'Unofficial PvP server.'
Now let's face it, we all know Union is going to win any 'Unofficial Poll,' that is the result of this thread, merely because its PvPers, more regularly frequent the forums and post on topics like this. To be honest, I wouldn't want half the PvPers I have witnessed on Union to come over to my server anyway, if some freak act of nature made Defiant the winner in this 'poll.'
This will be yet another blow to the D, where the communinty is already suffering due to many, recently switched players. So I ask you this, if Union is getting all the PvPers from Defiant, can we have all your PvEers? Pretty Please? Didn't think so...
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wow why not save the words and just put PvP'ers are [censored]
The point is the following:
Either decide to keep things as is with 3 servers having minimum to no PvP and people simply PvPing once in a month and one server with some average action where things are better or have one server at least with lots of action where you can have fun.
People in PvP tend to let out their frustration, and you should never let it get to you. And it's not like Defiant doesnt have its own share of retards in PvP zones altho they are less because simply there are less people PvPing.
Every server has its own share of morons that increase proportionally to the server population and as Union has larger population and pvp action is bound to have more morons in the zones.
Will this stop you from playing?Fine let it stop you but imho putting your own fun and to what can be done with the whole pvp community gathered in one place just because of 10 idiots is a waste.
From personal experience (and i live in PvP zones in Union) people are helpful in zones if you ask things they will answer you and help you. Yeah things stress at times when there is lots of killing going on and you know what happens when people lose they can be bad losers. But hey if people are looking for pvp where we all cuddle together and sing kumbaya my Lord MMO PvPing is not the right place to be.
It's fast it's hard it's stressing and can show bad side of people.It happens.
The arguement "i dont wanna move cause x - y - z dude was a [censored] to me" doesnt really appeal to me when there is the option and potential of having a 50-100-200 people pvp community gathered in one server for events and daily fun.
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Union is going to win any 'Unofficial Poll,' that is the result of this thread, merely because its PvPers, more regularly frequent the forums and post on topics like this.
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No this is totally wrong.Union will win because there is already established PvP action in EVERY single zone,the server has PvP events and this is on a daily basis.Unlike Defiant where PvP occurs from SC and downwards and if it exists its so scattered in occurance that is frustrating.
And thats a raw fact.1 week everyday logging in and SC would have either the funky (null) target for me or someone lowbie trying to do PvE in SC.
No thanks that's not the PvP i like in CoX.
Personally i dont give a rats [censored] where the unofficial server will be as far as i am concerned it can be Vigilance or Zukunft i will happily move my PvP toons.
With server transfer you'll always get people moving to a more populated area. Just by naming a server the unofficial pvp server lets new players know where the most pvp is. Union is already the unofficial RP server. If the French and Germans want more PvP they would make characters on Union anyway. I don't think it would make much difference to what is already happening.
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If im gonna vote, it goes to Union, since we obviously have the most pvp'ers ---> less moving.
All this is IMO.
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You have the most vocal PvPers.