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My first 'real day' of RP asin around more than one person, my char was invited to an EVIL meeting. I went and done /em yoga on the kitchen sink. <slaps forhead> 
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you'll never live that down, sink-sitter 
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but I'd like to think I've improved from the first few days.
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Well, I haven't heard any reports of you nearly blowing up the city again with broken tech-armour recently. 
As for my view, I think it's mostly been covered in bits and bobs by other people, but speaking now from experience, I think a good line for a freeform roleplayer, is someone who can try to adapt, but also knows when it's just time to walk away, and not drag out a bad situation.
Speaking from personal experience, back when the RP communit yexplodified for the umpteenth time, I decided to take a leave of absence. Almost a year on from that, and everyone's pretty much happy and content. I still RP, it's just less in the public eye now.
If I had stayed, I have no doubt I would have just continued in a never-ending argument with some players, as I strongly disliked their roleplay styles, and that bickering would have just been a slur on the roleplaying itself.
I had a point in there somewhere, so...remember kids, just say "no", like Zammo.
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I had a point in there somewhere, so...remember kids, just say "no", like Zammo.
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Well, not like Zammo I hope, as he was secretly saying "Yes"...
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
if it helps, I am a veteran. *smug*
*Pours the port, lights cigar, and settles down with newspaper*
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Posting on behalf of Shadowe. Zortel, Forum Medium since 2006. :P
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Woooeee, bit of a rough topic.
Okay, time for me to bite the bullet, too, I guess.
As a number of you will no doubt know (assuming anyone reads any of my posts), my main was a character I designed for a PnP RPG many, many moons ago (I think 8-9 years), but who I never played.
I've been playing tabletop RP games for 20 years, and like to think that I can do a good job, though I am aware that I have some flaws - probably caused by the fact that I've been almost exclusively GMing for 15 of those years, and I forget what it's like to be a player.
Since coming to CoH, I've found myself making mistakes. Not too surprising, really, as this is my first attempt to RP online, and it is a completely different experience to playing face-to-face. I often think that people will consider the choices I make and the character I play to be some sort of 'wish-fulfilment fantasy', and in part it is, because that's a part of what RPing is about, but it certainly isn't my focus. I want, very specifically, to create a realistic character, and to explore him. I like to think that I'm succeeding. I've always tried to avoid god-modding, and it comes automatically to me, really, because as a GM I know how much a player hates it when their character is arbitrarily and uncontrolably affected by something I've chosen to do.
Does this make me a Veteran? No Idea. I've been RPing at GG pretty much every day since May/June 2006, so in terms of duration, yeah, I guess I am. Do I think this makes me a good RPer? HELL NO! I'm a slave to my own emotions, and quite frequently RL interferes with how I'm feeling, so the attitude of my toons reflects this. I try not to let it happen, but I'll be the first to admit that it does. I also tend to get seriously wrapped up in my characters' lives, and how I perceive my characters to be feeling can actually affect how I feel, too. In other words, it's quite rare for one of my toons to be angry without me being angry at the keyboard.
I hate that.
The only saving grace I have, as far as I can tell, is that it doesn't happen very often.
So, in short, I'm an experienced RPer, but not an experienced MMORPer, and I don't think I'm a GOOD RPer. I'm an okay RPer at best.
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I'm a slave to my own emotions, and quite frequently RL interferes with how I'm feeling, so the attitude of my toons reflects this. I try not to let it happen, but I'll be the first to admit that it does. I also tend to get seriously wrapped up in my characters' lives, and how I perceive my characters to be feeling can actually affect how I feel, too. In other words, it's quite rare for one of my toons to be angry without me being angry at the keyboard.
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I still do that now, some people say its wrong to be emotionally attached to your char, others say its the best and most realistic form of RP, myself i believe in the latter.
And i admit to the above, for sure, whether it means i'm a bad RP'er or not, i still enjoy it.
Ive nearly cried by just writing story pieces about my char, the recent 'beating' she got was suprisingly hard to describe and type. I'd quote it here but its probably a little bit too adult, she ended up with flail chest and alot of bruises, then after all that mildly tortured for info. But i'd have to admit, my feelings reflect my characters, and my characters reflect mine, its one of the best, and sometimes worst things about my style of Roleplay.
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I still do that now, some people say its wrong to be emotionally attached to your char, others say its the best and most realistic form of RP, myself i believe in the latter.
And i admit to the above, for sure, whether it means i'm a bad RP'er or not, i still enjoy it.
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IMO letting your own emotions influence your toon's does not make you a good or bad RPer. However, I think it's clever to give your toons some of your own characteristics and feelings as it is easier to 'awaken them to life' that way.
Many RPers get lost in stereotypes and false assumptions when they try to play a character they can't relate to which most often results in bad roleplay. I give each and every one of my characters (be it pen&paper or online) some of my own characteristics. This way I can play a wide range of very different characters and still relate to all of them. I just have ro ask myself how I would react to a given situation and adjust the reaction according to the character I play.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
It's hard not to be repetitive of the many things already said here, but I'll try to throw my two cents.
First of all, being a RPer is not like martial arts. You don't earn belts because you've been doing it for long and were tested on it.
The title "veteran" is usually awarded to people who are experienced in RPing, most of the times in many media, and for that reason, they have seen and done many mistakes, and have learned from them.
Not all Veteran RPers are good RPers, but many are, because let's face it, if you suck at something but you keep doing it, you're bound to improve. Otherwise, you'll probably just give up on it.
How do you earn your "Veteran Title". Simple, you don't. Others give it to you by recognizing your worth. I've seen players who RPed for years be dismissed regularly as whiny gits, whose characters are dramallamas and aren't happy unless they're angsting about being injured, brainwashed, tortured, etc. And I've seen players being designated as "Veteran" and "Experienced" although they only had a few months of RP under their belts.
Hence, what I see as Veteran doesn't necessarily match what other people see as Veteran.
If I was asked, I'd say, yes, I'm a veteran Rper. I've been Tabletop Rping for 10 years, and I've Rped by Forum, by mail, by MSN, by AIM and also (believe it or not) by Introduction to Literature Notebook. I own about 500 RP supplements and I played with multiple settings, as well as being a GameMaster in many games, including one campaign that lasted one year.
Impressive resumé, isn't it?
I quickly realised that I couldn't impose my view of "Veteran" on others -- people calling themselves "Veteran" Rpers (such as the leader of one RP SG on US servers) turned out to be people that had never Rped outside COH, and only had been RPing since the game had started. So, I sorta started disregarding the "Veteran\Newb" title, because I also found out that people who by my standards would be called "Newb RPers", were actually rather good at RPing and that was more than enough for me.
Now, the big question is: when do I know I'm no longer an unexperienced RPer?
You really don't. It's something that comes slowly, and RPing is not a static activity. Even the greatest veterans learn a new trick every now and then (it was hell for me to actually learn how to RP in the superhero Genre), and you never really stop learning and evolving. There might come a point where you feel confortable enough with your style and abilities that mistakes won't look as earth-shattering as they do when you first started RPing (which is often a problem with starting RPers) and you will also probably earn a measure of confidence that will allow you to engage in new situations without much forthought.
You become a veteran when people start to recognise you :P
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It's hard not to be repetitive of the many things already said here, but I'll try to throw my two cents.
First of all, being a RPer is not like martial arts. You don't earn belts because you've been doing it for long and were tested on it.
The title "veteran" is usually awarded to people who are experienced in RPing, most of the times in many media, and for that reason, they have seen and done many mistakes, and have learned from them.
Not all Veteran RPers are good RPers, but many are, because let's face it, if you suck at something but you keep doing it, you're bound to improve. Otherwise, you'll probably just give up on it.
How do you earn your "Veteran Title". Simple, you don't. Others give it to you by recognizing your worth. I've seen players who RPed for years be dismissed regularly as whiny gits, whose characters are dramallamas and aren't happy unless they're angsting about being injured, brainwashed, tortured, etc. And I've seen players being designated as "Veteran" and "Experienced" although they only had a few months of RP under their belts.
Hence, what I see as Veteran doesn't necessarily match what other people see as Veteran.
If I was asked, I'd say, yes, I'm a veteran Rper. I've been Tabletop Rping for 10 years, and I've Rped by Forum, by mail, by MSN, by AIM and also (believe it or not) by Introduction to Literature Notebook. I own about 500 RP supplements and I played with multiple settings, as well as being a GameMaster in many games, including one campaign that lasted one year.
Impressive resumé, isn't it?
I quickly realised that I couldn't impose my view of "Veteran" on others -- people calling themselves "Veteran" Rpers (such as the leader of one RP SG on US servers) turned out to be people that had never Rped outside COH, and only had been RPing since the game had started. So, I sorta started disregarding the "Veteran\Newb" title, because I also found out that people who by my standards would be called "Newb RPers", were actually rather good at RPing and that was more than enough for me.
Now, the big question is: when do I know I'm no longer an inexperienced RPer?
You really don't. It's something that comes slowly, and RPing is not a static activity. Even the greatest veterans learn a new trick every now and then (it was hell for me to actually learn how to RP in the superhero Genre), and you never really stop learning and evolving. There might come a point where you feel comfortable enough with your style and abilities that mistakes won't look as earth-shattering as they do when you first started RPing (which is often a problem with starting RPers) and you will also probably earn a measure of confidence that will allow you to engage in new situations without much forethought.
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i am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your news letter.
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i am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your news letter.
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Whoohoo, I got luvin'!
Well, I could direct you to my many RPG-related rants and some more or less intructive articles, however, you'd have to learn Portuguese first, I fear.
i wouldn't phear that, been meaning to for a number of years.
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Personally Echo you are one of my favorite roleplayers on Union. I remember even before I had any dealings with any of your characters, we were in contact discussing ideas, and opinions. Dont worry too much about labels, styles, and semantics just continue to have fun. If something isn't feeling right at the moment try something else. You play the game for your own enjoyment, helping others enjoy it is a bonus. I dont care if you are a RP noob, or vet, I just like roleplaying with you.
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Awwwh, fuzzy feelings.
Its intresting to see other peoples point of views, and backstorys where we went wrong and so on, sometimes its still an ongoing joke. My first 'real day' of RP asin around more than one person, my char was invited to an EVIL meeting. I went and done /em yoga on the kitchen sink. <slaps forhead>