There have been a few hami tests carried out by SGs. Where people tried out a few things, nothing really came of it though. No one seems that bothered to try Defiant's Die-a-lot method.
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Man, that raid was fun - highlight of my COH career 
The above is a fictional account, but surprisingly close to the truth...
Defiant 50�s: Generalissimo, Righteous Bob, Splortch, Brutus Cayuga
Union 50's: Chimera Obscura, Diet Anthracite, Grim Proctologist, Puny Little Minion, Raging Bitumen
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Wasn't there a successful U.S. Method? Did that involve a lot of dieing? I know there have been some sg attempts but im talkin about 50 peeps pre-i9 style... multiple sg style if you see what i mean.
I attempted 3 times.
In all of them people left after one hour of constant dying...
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Hey people, why after Issue 9 has been out for a number of weeks now, has there been no attempt to take Hamidon down on Union?
Now let me get this clear, I'm by no means organising this thing, 
, but I am asking the usual people that do organise it (and do have a clue what they are doing)... Lost, Raz etc when this is going to happen... Who also wants to get some of that sweet hami-o lovin'?
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ask raz, heck am i putting up with one of these again
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I enjoyed it, it was a solid 3 hours of everyone paying attention and doing what was asked. I think otherwise it would not have come together.
However it was a lot of organistation and effort involved for the leaders. And also a shame that with the 50 limit not everyone who wanted to could get in.
TBH the way hami is now, I am glad I did it one time, but I certainly won't be running any raids like I did before i9. With the STF it is much easier to get 8 people together and in the same time get the same reward.
I think in terms of risk vs reward hami just isn't worth it anymore.
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Man, that raid was fun - highlight of my COH career
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I enjoyed it, it was a solid 3 hours of everyone paying attention and doing what was asked. I think otherwise it would not have come together.
However it was a lot of organistation and effort involved for the leaders. And also a shame that with the 50 limit not everyone who wanted to could get in.
TBH the way hami is now, I am glad I did it one time, but I certainly won't be running any raids like I did before i9. With the STF it is much easier to get 8 people together and in the same time get the same reward.
I think in terms of risk vs reward hami just isn't worth it anymore.
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IF the devs fix the STF HO bug reward.
What's the point in Hamidon anyway? When the STF is fixed and giving HO rewards, you can complete that in around an hour.
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Hey people, why after Issue 9 has been out for a number of weeks now, has there been no attempt to take Hamidon down on Union?
Now let me get this clear, I'm by no means organising this thing, , but I am asking the usual people that do organise it (and do have a clue what they are doing)... Lost, Raz etc when this is going to happen... Who also wants to get some of that sweet hami-o lovin'?
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ask raz, heck am i putting up with one of these again
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I've thought about it a fair bit the past few weeks since i9 came out and every so often I come up with an idea.. but I'm still stumped on: leechers getting in the way, reliable people coming and taking a geniune interest. And the zone limit of 50 people.
The Defiant "Die a lot" method is not a very efficient method, considering the fact Union managed to get it down to an art, that got eventually boring for some - but at least it was a guaranteed HO.
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What's the point in Hamidon anyway? When the STF is fixed and giving HO rewards, you can complete that in around an hour.
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Because the Hamidon Raid doesn't cause min/maxing to occur and people to be pushed out of teams because so called "i know how to do this better" make it viable that some AT combis aren't useful so people miss out -- directly what the Devs didn't intend.. but generally what "min/max" people ended up doing -- by penalizing other ATs because they're too hard to incorporate and they want it NOW NOW NOW.
Much like other things in CoX... but I digress.
Because, Hamidon will give salvage/recipie drops the STF won't do.. and last time I checked CoX had a community.. admittedly a sometimes "backstabbing", "two-faced" and "slag you off", community.. but one none the less. As well as the fact Hamidon wouldn't take as long if people actually got off their [censored] and did as they should rather than mess about and slow everything down. Hamidon has been done in just over 1 hour before now - but then people actually DID something rather than grief.
The Hamidon Raid was designed to last MANY heroes do something together as a community effort to work towards a common goal.
The STF is for 8 people only.. much like other higher tier TFs.
The Hamidon might not be what the Devs wanted it to be in the player eyes... but he is "it" nonetheless.
Plus the new Hamidon removes the option for griefers, leechers (and there was a [censored] load of you people wasting our time), people [censored], as well as general attitudes to be sorted out and removed.
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The Defiant "Die a lot" method is not a very efficient method, considering the fact Union managed to get it down to an art, that got eventually boring for some - but at least it was a guaranteed HO.
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The Defiant die-a-lot method is the method that worked, and in fact there was very little death. After all, we were the only server who got organized and stepped up to the plate to try and figure out how to beat Hamidon in the first place. We only died a lot because it was the FIRST new hami-raid in the EU. A lot of you (you especially Raz) will have been there for the first oldstyle Hami raids, so you'll remember the repeated deaths and failures associated with that, and then you wouldn't have even gotten a hami-O.
This is a brand new encounter, none of the old tactics work AT ALL. As such, dying is part of the learning procedure.
Oh, and just FYI, after the first two mito spawns we basically had it down to an artform. We cleared the third mito spawn in about 5-10 minutes, with VERY few deaths. If that's not efficient, I don't know what is.
P.S. I will be leading a public raid on Union very soon, since my Illusion/Empathy is around 45 now so I can get into the zone. We will be using the same strategy as the one that Defiant used in the first succesful Hamidon raid of i9.
I get the feeling that Hamidon Raids might be carried out in secret to minimise the amount of useless players in the hive. Which is unfortunate as i'd rather have a fully advertised everyone welcome system. Thinking about it, if the raid was organised on the forums people could meet in Eden sort themselves into teams and enter the hive till it was full. As soon as the second instance appears, everyone on the ball and not afk could go in the second instance lol. This would go some way in reducing players that will stand around. Would need a code name to refer to it anyone turning up late won't be able to enter.
Just had a thought, which server can carry out the first simultaneous double take down of Hamidon union might be able to do a triple take down if every one that had a 50 turned up but i can't see that happening yet lol.
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The Defiant die-a-lot method is the method that worked, and in fact there was very little death. After all, we were the only server who got organized and stepped up to the plate to try and figure out how to beat Hamidon in the first place. We only died a lot because it was the FIRST new hami-raid in the EU. A lot of you (you especially Raz) will have been there for the first oldstyle Hami raids, so you'll remember the repeated deaths and failures associated with that, and then you wouldn't have even gotten a hami-O.
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Aye.. if possible I might ask for a few mins "notes" from you to get a gist of how you did it from your own perspective and I'll get Lost and a few other leaders we had and we can talk numbers, ideas, etcetc to see if we can't improve on your idea.. but if we can't I don't see issue with doing it your way until we come up with something addition over time (like you said, die a lot, then don't die much at all)
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This is a brand new encounter, none of the old tactics work AT ALL. As such, dying is part of the learning procedure.
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Agreed fully.
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Oh, and just FYI, after the first two mito spawns we basically had it down to an artform. We cleared the third mito spawn in about 5-10 minutes, with VERY few deaths. If that's not efficient, I don't know what is.
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I won't argue with that one.. considering the "new" encounter system, I agree on that.
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P.S. I will be leading a public raid on Union very soon, since my Illusion/Empathy is around 45 now so I can get into the zone. We will be using the same strategy as the one that Defiant used in the first succesful Hamidon raid of i9.
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If you need a leader to help -- I'll step up and lend a hand with you, if you want my help that it. Your call.
I would love to do the new Hami
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P.S. I will be leading a public raid on Union very soon, since my Illusion/Empathy is around 45 now so I can get into the zone. We will be using the same strategy as the one that Defiant used in the first succesful Hamidon raid of i9.
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i'm in mate
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I attempted 3 times.
In all of them people left after one hour of constant dying...
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I have attempted no times and have had a nice time playing instead
My work commitments have me working random times and therefore i couldnt even commit to turning up for anything.
I d certainly would want 50 ppl in it to win it and those that came to spam and not be very helpful, out of it, if no guarantee of that then my patience just wouldnt last.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I never told you this, but ask Far-seer if there may be 'another way'...
I must go now...
*flees*
@Sweet Chilli
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The Defiant "Die a lot" method is not a very efficient method, considering the fact Union managed to get it down to an art, that got eventually boring for some - but at least it was a guaranteed HO.
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I assume you're referring to Pre-I9 Hamidon Raids as, well, Union's not actually done one yet, have they? If you are, I'd like to mention that we did raids in about an hour wihout mass death, and that you, at least to begin with, started using our updated guide after the PA change.
I'm also in for a Union Hami Raid.
Xan count me in as well for Union raid and anything u need to accomodate you gimme a shout.
EDIT: 100% agree with Stryker on carrying out the raid in secrecy and in fact serious SG's will be pulling raids via invite only and nothing else. This encounter is not a community thing any more considering the fact that the numbers allowed in the Hive are limited and the fact that an economy has been introduced thus making every encounter important or a total waste of time.
Considering that SG sizes are about 75 people pulling a 50 is an SG and coalition thing exclusively and not community.
No wonder there isn't many people on Defiant these days. 
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We're not on Defiant anymore, we're everywhere.
Hey people, why after Issue 9 has been out for a number of weeks now, has there been no attempt to take Hamidon down on Union?
, but I am asking the usual people that do organise it (and do have a clue what they are doing)... Lost, Raz etc when this is going to happen... Who also wants to get some of that sweet hami-o lovin'?
Now let me get this clear, I'm by no means organising this thing,