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As I see, petitioning won't stop the abuser do their thing.
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No it doesnt because it is not the petitioner who decides whether someone should be punished. Petition will just notify moderators.
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Getting no reaction (/ignore?) to any verbal abuse will leave abusing pointless tho.
Everyone who's shouting are in need of getting attention. Don't give them this pleasure.
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True.
try and keep a sense of humour in the PvP zones, we have all had nob heads abusing us but heyhoo 14 yr old should be encouraged to express them selfs shouldnt they.
If someone is constantly abusing me i just turn off broadcast, if they send me an abusive tell (ive never had this happen) i would just put them on ignore.
the ammount of abuse in this game is nothing compared to some of the FPS games i play, with no moderator or GMs present(unless they play on my clans server then they get a perminant ban)
But back to the original post dont goto a PvP zone if you dont want to die, its as simple as that im afraid.
Oh I keep humour up in PVP zones, and im pretty resilient when it comes to trashtalking. Especially when Im the one doing the killing [link removed, Bridger].
Several times Ive ASed people in sirens who were 'pveing' in there, and I think I've seen most of the english vocabulary in the process. Once I managed to AS someone just entering mission map. Was extra funny seeing him slide under the door on their stomach..
However I do get uneasy when there are people shouting at other people. Usually its best to not try to defend anyone, it will just double the fight. Just keep quiet and carry on what you are doing.
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sure it does, if the GMs receive 100s of petitions from lots of people then they wont be able to ignore them. They do work albeit a lot slower than we would like, mainly as they have to go through the chat logs.
**Acceptable "support" responses**
Its your fault
Its your computers fault
Its your ISPs fault
Lol, I wasn't saying that GMs do nothing, I know they work hard.
Someone says bad things to you. You send petition. Someone gets his ban. _Days later_
But at the moment of abuse you are the loser of the situation, and the abuser is the winner. Attention makes them feel powerful. Petition is a form of attention too.
("hey, I can't be nobody if I got banned!")
Ignoring them is the only way to stop them immediately.
But, as always, everyone decides his way.
I choose fun, and I don't care who speaks what if that's not fun.
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sure it does, if the GMs receive 100s of petitions from lots of people then they wont be able to ignore them. They do work albeit a lot slower than we would like, mainly as they have to go through the chat logs.
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Actually even a single case thats bad enough will propably yield 48-hour ban off the bat. (example: Xanthus and his notorious dutch chat binds in a base raid I was part in.. 
Yes this also means that you arent safe by insults or bad language in other languages either..)
Because petitioners wont be told of the bans being handed out makes people think that GMs arent doing anything. Thats not the case.
(or were they danish I dont remember..)
I think i know who you are talking about as i had the same problem with him in Sirens but as soon as my pvp build was done for my stalker it was fine as he couldnt ever take me out.. and as for them 'three moves' he does are they Jump, impale, ripper, jump, impale, ripper ect???
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Well, i've learned of a way around all this. I'm hopefully getting a recipe for one of those stealth moves thing, where it grants for 120 seconds! And i'm gonna attach it to fly!! So he shouldn't see me anymore hopefullys!!!
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If this person is who i think it is then yer he'll still be able to see your as he'll have 3 +perceptions
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As I see, petitioning won't stop the abuser do their thing.
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sure it does, if the GMs receive 100s of petitions from lots of people then they wont be able to ignore them. They do work albeit a lot slower than we would like, mainly as they have to go through the chat logs.
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Actually even a single case thats bad enough will propably yield 48-hour ban off the bat. (example: Xanthus and his notorious dutch chat binds in a base raid I was part in.. Yes this also means that you arent safe by insults or bad language in other languages either..)
Because petitioners wont be told of the bans being handed out makes people think that GMs arent doing anything. Thats not the case.
(or were they danish I dont remember..)
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But in that case he'd already had a warning, although not for something that warranted it.
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I think i know who you are talking about as i had the same problem with him in Sirens but as soon as my pvp build was done for my stalker it was fine as he couldnt ever take me out.. and as for them 'three moves' he does are they Jump, impale, ripper, jump, impale, ripper ect???
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Well, i've learned of a way around all this. I'm hopefully getting a recipe for one of those stealth moves thing, where it grants for 120 seconds! And i'm gonna attach it to fly!! So he shouldn't see me anymore hopefullys!!!
=D
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If this person is who i think it is then yer he'll still be able to see your as he'll have 3 +perceptions
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Ah-ha! so you've met her! Yes i did find out that she can still see me... wench... lol, nm. I'm on a badgehunting session for the next few weeks, away fromthe PVPness
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Maybe Archy, NB and me should stop teaching xanthus how to say stuff in danish.
50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
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Maybe Archy, NB and me should stop teaching xanthus how to say stuff in danish.
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Mesmer is responsible too.
And yes, they were both.
I actually got the first warning that lead to the ban because I droned someone a couple of times.
Although I only go to RV to farm turrets and I am the first one who loses the temper when repeatedly stalked (very much regretting my comments afterwards and under the solmn purpose of keeping them to myself and apologize to a couple stalkers next time I see them in RV), I totally agree on the point of view that farming is an exploit to the game. On the other hand, some people claim they received good drops for killing another player, even wings recipes (dunno if for example I could drop recipes when defeated). If that is true, then being constantly ambushed by two or three villains (in my case, heroes in other cases) is also a system exploit and a very annoying one IMO.
I once was attacked by a brute while fighting a Tarantula Mistress and after killing both almost at same time I got a Tech Wings recipe drop, tbh I never knew if the wings came from the brute or from the Tarantula Mistress (although I repeatedly thanked the brute for such a nice present).
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I totally agree on the point of view that farming is an exploit to the game.
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In what way is it an exploit?
You just said your self you get ambushed when doing it, so thats the risk / reward element safely in place.
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WTH??
Well, it is an exploit exactly the same way it is an exploit to farm turrets as has been previously mentioned in the thread. I am not saying that I disagree on the other hand, if the exploit is there and the devs don't want the game to be exploited it is their job to amend it, in fact it somehow justifies some people's attittude no matter how annoying I find it sometimes, I honestly prefer to think that they are after a toon trying to get a good recipe than just for plain annoyance, which is sad in my opinion (just an opinion of course). I myself have broadcasted a few times during reset that I was turning toggles off for anyone to kill me repeatedly in case they got a lucky salvage/recipe drop.
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Well, it is an exploit exactly the same way it is an exploit to farm turrets as has been previously mentioned in the thread. I am not saying that I disagree on the other hand, if the exploit is there and the devs don't want the game to be exploited it is their job to amend it, in fact it somehow justifies some people's attittude no matter how annoying I find it sometimes, I honestly prefer to think that they are after a toon trying to get a good recipe than just for plain annoyance, which is sad in my opinion (just an opinion of course). I myself have broadcasted a few times during reset that I was turning toggles off for anyone to kill me repeatedly in case they got a lucky salvage/recipe drop.
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Exploit is used as a term about utilizing game system in a way thats not officially allowed. Farming turrets etc is not forbidden, therefore they are not exploits.
Utilizing glitches and bugs to your advantage however is an exploit, for example.
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in fact it somehow justifies some people's attittude no matter how annoying I find it sometimes, I honestly prefer to think that they are after a toon trying to get a good recipe than just for plain annoyance,
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They dont really need any justification do they, they are PvP'ing in a PvP zone.
If that annoys you, might be best to not go to the pvp zone to farm, but either way its not an exploit its you going to a PvP for 1 reason and doing your thing and them going to a PvP zone for their reason, and doing their thing.
Thats just my opinion of course, and im not saying either of you are in the wrong, just disagreeing on what an exploit actually is
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Well, it is an exploit exactly the same way it is an exploit to farm turrets as has been previously mentioned in the thread. I am not saying that I disagree on the other hand, if the exploit is there and the devs don't want the game to be exploited it is their job to amend it, in fact it somehow justifies some people's attittude no matter how annoying I find it sometimes, I honestly prefer to think that they are after a toon trying to get a good recipe than just for plain annoyance, which is sad in my opinion (just an opinion of course). I myself have broadcasted a few times during reset that I was turning toggles off for anyone to kill me repeatedly in case they got a lucky salvage/recipe drop.
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Exploit is used as a term about utilizing game system in a way thats not officially allowed. Farming turrets etc is not forbidden, therefore they are not exploits.
Utilizing glitches and bugs to your advantage however is an exploit, for example.
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I stand corrected.
Thx.-
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in fact it somehow justifies some people's attittude no matter how annoying I find it sometimes, I honestly prefer to think that they are after a toon trying to get a good recipe than just for plain annoyance,
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They dont really need any justification do they, they are PvP'ing in a PvP zone.
If that annoys you, might be best to not go to the pvp zone to farm, but either way its not an exploit its you going to a PvP for 1 reason and doing your thing and them going to a PvP zone for their reason, and doing their thing.
Thats just my opinion of course, and im not saying either of you are in the wrong, just disagreeing on what an exploit actually is
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Hammerfall already corrected me on that, someone defined it as an exploit and I followed. PvP itself is not annoying, what is annoying is someone to pick on you because you made him/her faceplant on first encounter and he/she won't stop until he faceplanted you several times usually with additional help. Anyway, it is of course a risk of getting into a PvP area. In my opinion (and it is only my opinion) it is just a matter of a few ppl not knowing when enough is enough, I find it tricky when, well, you're entitled to PvP in a PvP area, but there's a thin line between healthy PvPing and chase someone just for the pleasure of driving him/her out of the area. Anyway, sometimes you're lucky and don't find certain people and sometimes you aren't and find them, with the rule book in the hand, you are warned when entering a PvP area and there's not much to do when you are chased besides leaving the area.
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Did you take it up with bridger? I'm sure there was a post by a dev on the US forums saying you could drone a single player quite a lot (maybe even as much as you like).
My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
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Hammerfall already corrected me on that, someone defined it as an exploit and I followed. PvP itself is not annoying, what is annoying is someone to pick on you because you made him/her faceplant on first encounter and he/she won't stop until he faceplanted you several times usually with additional help. Anyway, it is of course a risk of getting into a PvP area. In my opinion (and it is only my opinion) it is just a matter of a few ppl not knowing when enough is enough, I find it tricky when, well, you're entitled to PvP in a PvP area, but there's a thin line between healthy PvPing and chase someone just for the pleasure of driving him/her out of the area. Anyway, sometimes you're lucky and don't find certain people and sometimes you aren't and find them, with the rule book in the hand, you are warned when entering a PvP area and there's not much to do when you are chased besides leaving the area.
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Ummmmm....... right, cheers for that.
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Did you take it up with bridger? I'm sure there was a post by a dev on the US forums saying you could drone a single player quite a lot (maybe even as much as you like).
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I doubt it as this can be seen as harrasment, there are no set of rules or guidelines laid down for this and its an arbitrary decision by individual GMs.
Now personally following an abusive tell in SC by a certain well known defiant **** I camped out a persons mission and killed him every time he came close. I cannot tell you how much joy I derived from that, purely due to who the person was. Was it harrassment? Possibly but I doubt the decision would have gone against me as I was playing the game and he abused me from the start.
Ahhh fond memories....
**Acceptable "support" responses**
Its your fault
Its your computers fault
Its your ISPs fault
True, true, true.
But I don't want to be kind to people because they don't let me be bad.
I want to be kind because it feels good.
But of course, we need laws. I talked about how to handle those who brake them.