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People were being Perma Caged because of a specific threat that they posed against the opposing team in the Arena. Taking them completely out the game/match, and as you can imagine, spending 10 minutes permanently caged isn't that fun.
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Ah! That makes more sense. 'Exclusion' perhaps has a different meaning for you and I.
Makes sense, the supression effects don't last that long, with the extended duration, you could probably grab them again before they got out.
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Still, it'd mean one buffbot Emp in Hosp wouldn't negate Dominators and Stalkers massively..
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2 holds with domination stacks over 1 CM and it really isnt difficult to stack 5+ holds on someone in a very short period of time. If CM didnt stack from the same caster Domi's would need nerfing.
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If CM didnt stack from the same caster Domi's would need nerfing.
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Hush, no such talk here. Domis are a lousy AT and need buffs, plz.
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rofl >.<
But still the way cage works is very different to all other powers so theres no basis to change anything else.
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CM is the only power that can negate three of the inherent AT powers (hide, containment and domination), and also the main characterictics of trollers and domis primaries. Such a powerful power also can be granted from long range, has a fast recharge, doesn't have to hit and can be perma stacked. Enough for me to need a 'tweak'.
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rofl >.<
But still the way cage works is very different to all other powers so theres no basis to change anything else.
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CM is the only power that can negate three of the inherent AT powers (hide, containment and domination), and also the main characterictics of trollers and domis primaries. Such a powerful power also can be granted from long range, has a fast recharge, doesn't have to hit and can be perma stacked. Enough for me to need a 'tweak'.
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It doesn't negate them in any way, just makes their job a little more difficult. I was keeping a team of 4 heroes perma stacked up with 3 or 4 CM in Sirens a few nights back and the villains team of 2 doms and 2/3 corruptors were regularly stacking holds over that so it can't be that diffcult to do.
Same goes for hide, it's only as big of a problem as you suggest if the stalker is completely reliant on AS, and if you pick up invis you can only be seen at 10 yards no matter how many CM you have.
It will make your life very difficult if you are one of these ATs solo and going up against an empath buffed blaster for instance, but then you're solo against a duo so you should be getting whooped. Also, remember that if there isn't another mez resist buff going round you can just hold the emp..
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It doesn't negate them in any way, just makes their job a little more difficult. I was keeping a team of 4 heroes perma stacked up with 3 or 4 CM in Sirens a few nights back and the villains team of 2 doms and 2/3 corruptors were regularly stacking holds over that so it can't be that diffcult to do.
Same goes for hide, it's only as big of a problem as you suggest if the stalker is completely reliant on AS, and if you pick up invis you can only be seen at 10 yards no matter how many CM you have.
It will make your life very difficult if you are one of these ATs solo and going up against an empath buffed blaster for instance, but then you're solo against a duo so you should be getting whooped. Also, remember that if there isn't another mez resist buff going round you can just hold the emp..
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How much mez protection do you want? I suspect the answer is "enough so I never get held/confused/slept/feared".
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How much mez protection do you want? I suspect the answer is "enough so I never get held/confused/slept/feared".
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there are maybe 5 or 6 empaths in this game that can keep casting cm on team mates while coming under heavy fire. if u cant work out to attack the emp then thats ur problem but i severly doubt its worth nerfing a power based a few very good players
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2 holds with domination stacks over 1 CM and it really isnt difficult to stack 5+ holds on someone in a very short period of time. If CM didnt stack from the same caster Domi's would need nerfing.
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Yes, because blasters being able to 3-shot at range are fine, but we can't have doms holding with 2 domination holds. 
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Yes, because blasters being able to 3-shot at range are fine, but we can't have doms holding with 2 domination holds.
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huh? u will die in 3 hits if u dont have any support. if this is an even case then u wud assume the hero has no back up so will be held in 1 hold...get a thermal and u wont die in 3 hits 
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Not a fan of arena then?
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Actually, I prefer arena... arena matches, at least. Not the "waiting around", "PLing last fotm" and "perfect team composition" part. 
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How much mez protection do you want? I suspect the answer is "enough so I never get held/confused/slept/feared".
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there are maybe 5 or 6 empaths in this game that can keep casting cm on team mates while coming under heavy fire. if u cant work out to attack the emp then thats ur problem but i severly doubt its worth nerfing a power based a few very good players
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No I'm capable of working that out without your "help" thanks. I'd be interested in what you plan on attacking them with though, since the only villain burst damage AT needs to get into melee range to do it. BTW. I dont find it that hard on my thermal to keep thaw going so I'm not sure I believe the "5 or 6 players..heavy fire" line.
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huh? u will die in 3 hits if u dont have any support. if this is an even case then u wud assume the hero has no back up so will be held in 1 hold...get a thermal and u wont die in 3 hits
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So many things wrong in this quote.
To quote someone :
"there are maybe 5 or 6 therms in this game that can keep casting shields/thaw/forge/heals on team mates while coming under heavy fire. if u cant work out to attack the therm then thats ur problem"
One specific powerset in one specific AT to counter any blaster ? Heh.
Last but not least, have you ever seen a prepared squishy soloing without BFs ?
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No I'm capable of working that out without your "help" thanks. I'd be interested in what you plan on attacking them with though, since the only villain burst damage AT needs to get into melee range to do it. BTW. I dont find it that hard on my thermal to keep thaw going so I'm not sure I believe the "5 or 6 players..heavy fire" line.
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corruptors, doms, mm's? u dont have to kill the emp just do enough to panic him as im sure u'd put ur own survival above casting thaw on others when u see a ton of dmg coming ur way
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huh? u will die in 3 hits if u dont have any support. if this is an even case then u wud assume the hero has no back up so will be held in 1 hold...get a thermal and u wont die in 3 hits
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So many things wrong in this quote.
To quote someone :
"there are maybe 5 or 6 therms in this game that can keep casting shields/thaw/forge/heals on team mates while coming under heavy fire. if u cant work out to attack the therm then thats ur problem"
One specific powerset in one specific AT to counter any blaster ? Heh.
Last but not least, have you ever seen a prepared squishy soloing without BFs ?
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huh?
that quote is completely wrong
ur talking about a specific power to counter a dom so why cant i talk about a thermal to counter a blaster?
so now were back to banning BFs as well as nerfing cm?
Lol MMs. Stop with the theorycraft, please.
Doms' ranged damage is equal to defenders', corruptors' is barely higher.
If you can't survive 2-3 cors/doms shooting at you as a emp you should just delete (unless they're all ice or something).
final post on this cos its just getting silly now
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Lol MMs. Stop with the theorycraft, please.
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huh?
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Doms' ranged damage is equal to defenders', corruptors' is barely higher.
If you can't survive 2-3 cors/doms shooting at you as a emp you should just delete
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i can thats not the point, its not about killing the emp, its about disrupting them enough
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(unless they're all ice or something).
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of course i rarely ever see ice/ corruptors and what is "something" that really cud mean unless they're ice or any other attacking power
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ur talking about a specific power to counter a dom so why cant i talk about a thermal to counter a blaster?
so now were back to banning BFs as well as nerfing cm?
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I know my english isn't perfect, but I didn't know it was that bad... because you obviously didn't understand anything I've just said.
1) One power in two powersets (clarity = CM) in two different ATs : 4 different choices.
2) One power almost neutering doms' primaries is in no way comparable to a whole powerset allowing someone to survive. Your comparaison would be valid if there was no resistance cap, no unresisted damage and thermal shields would give stackable resistance up to 100%.
3) Who said anything about banning BFs, except you ? Realistically speaking a blaster will have BFs if he soloes (and even if he teams sometimes), period.
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i can thats not the point, its not about killing the emp, its about disrupting them enough
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And while you're trying to "disrupt" an emp with 3 cors, the 2 blasters on the opposite team spiked two of them. GG.
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of course i rarely ever see ice/ corruptors and what is "something" that really cud mean unless they're ice or any other attacking power
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"Something" meaning "if the emp lags or goes afk or is hit by 34 webnades and isn't speed-boosted" or whatever.
Again I don't care for optimized teams, step out of the arena sometimes. Though to be honest... you want a team of 3 ice primary cors, let's take a team of 2 ice/nrj blasters and a ill/emp.
Siren : you won't ever see the emp. Blasters can spike each of the cors with total safety without any problem.
WB : you might see the emp, but now he probably has phase, and the blasters can spike you from snipe range thanks to BR.
RV/Arena : if somehow you ever put one of them below yellow, they'll hibernate and laugh at you.
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i can thats not the point, its not about killing the emp, its about disrupting them enough
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And while you're trying to "disrupt" an emp with 3 cors, the 2 blasters on the opposite team spiked two of them. GG.
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You don't need 3 corruptors to "disrupt" an empath, one will do. Or a sonic with cage. Put the empath in the cage and all gank the weakest player. Even with the new changes this is a viable tactic. Without cage, someone will need to keep pressure on the empath so that he thinks twice about getting in close.
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of course i rarely ever see ice/ corruptors and what is "something" that really cud mean unless they're ice or any other attacking power
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"Something" meaning "if the emp lags or goes afk or is hit by 34 webnades and isn't speed-boosted" or whatever.
Again I don't care for optimized teams, step out of the arena sometimes. Though to be honest... you want a team of 3 ice primary cors, let's take a team of 2 ice/nrj blasters and a ill/emp.
Siren : you won't ever see the emp. Blasters can spike each of the cors with total safety without any problem.
WB : you might see the emp, but now he probably has phase, and the blasters can spike you from snipe range thanks to BR.
RV/Arena : if somehow you ever put one of them below yellow, they'll hibernate and laugh at you.
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Not always and there are ways to counter these situations.
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I know my english isn't perfect, but I didn't know it was that bad... because you obviously didn't understand anything I've just said.
1) One power in two powersets (clarity = CM) in two different ATs : 4 different choices.
2) One power almost neutering doms' primaries is in no way comparable to a whole powerset allowing someone to survive. Your comparaison would be valid if there was no resistance cap, no unresisted damage and thermal shields would give stackable resistance up to 100%.
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It doesn't "neuter" them in any way, it makes you think a little about what you're doing instead of hold -> win.
Let's say for instance there is a team of 8 heroes and 8 villains in Sirens. Even if there is 2 emps on the hero side and only 2 doms on the other, unless you leave the empaths to continually spam CM without giving them something else to think about you should have no issues whatsoever stacking holds over 2 or 3 stacked CM.
Another example of the disparity that arises in this kind of argument. In Sirens on, I believe, wednesday of this week there was a certain Dom who was spamming [censored] about CM being overpowered to a blaster I was teamed with on my emp, while at the same time 2 other doms and a corr were holding this same blaster over very highly stacked CM in a matter of seconds. Lowly dom attacking on his own loses then gets all [censored] off and comes on the boards and talks a load of [censored]. The villains who were in an equal sized team to ours competed very well and the fight remained quite even for a long time. Everyone goes away happy.
If anything I think domination could use a little tweaking, it's back far too often for something so powerful when used correctly, imo.
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And while you're trying to "disrupt" an emp with 3 cors, the 2 blasters on the opposite team spiked two of them. GG.
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Yes I agree with this! If you dedicate 3 of your corruptors to chasing the emp you really do deserve a good spanking.
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It doesn't "neuter" them in any way, it makes you think a little about what you're doing instead of hold -> win.
Let's say for instance there is a team of 8 heroes and 8 villains in Sirens. Even if there is 2 emps on the hero side and only 2 doms on the other, unless you leave the empaths to continually spam CM without giving them something else to think about you should have no issues whatsoever stacking holds over 2 or 3 stacked CM.
Another example of the disparity that arises in this kind of argument. In Sirens on, I believe, wednesday of this week there was a certain Dom who was spamming [censored] about CM being overpowered to a blaster I was teamed with on my emp, while at the same time 2 other doms and a corr were holding this same blaster over very highly stacked CM in a matter of seconds. Lowly dom attacking on his own loses then gets all [censored] off and comes on the boards and talks a load of [censored]. The villains who were in an equal sized team to ours competed very well and the fight remained quite even for a long time. Everyone goes away happy.
If anything I think domination could use a little tweaking, it's back far too often for something so powerful when used correctly, imo.
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What game are you playing cos its clearly not the same one. CM is scrapper/tank lvl mezz protect plus protection from confuse and fear. Even if a squishy only has 2 or 3 CM's on them (and its usually more) thats you trying to hold a scrapper/tank 2 or 3 times over, more difficult than you seem to think, even with domination going. The corrputor example, tbh I dont believe you. As for troubling the emp, the catch 22 situation is very clear but people want to pretend it doesnt exist. Oh and "hold -> win"? since when?
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Why dont you just hold the emp?
& Corruptors ftw!!
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Hopefully The Gathering's Omnipotent team will improve people's opinion of both corruptors and dominators, because contrary to popular belief, when used properly they are good. And no, Doms aren't inferior and do not need a buff like everyone says they do.
Once again, try to CM out of Slows or TK.
Everyone seems to think that just because they have CM means they cannot be held. Enter the Dominator. Keeping his distance, and his target slowed or in TK, especially with appropriate buffs, CM is only a formality to eventual victory.
And BFs could not be burned quicker than against a dominator. (as proven by those who oppose Wintergreen in Base Raids or other PvP )
BFs and CMs are not immunity, only resistance, even when stacked. People thinking this is like giving up trying to attack anyone because the villain team in sirens has two thermals ("oh noes, they have howevermanypercent resistance to my attacks, I may as well just give up", very defeatist )
That is all.
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Why dont you just hold the emp?
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In general that would be plan A. The emp could pop a bf and leg it, which is fine. My complaint is that much of the emps team will be invincible to most of my powers, so after (or maybe even before) holding the emp there is a good chance i'll get toasted. To turn it around, if I were playing say mind/storm hero side I might lay fear or confuse on the brutes, corruptors, then hold the thermal. Villain side you cant really do that since CM protects against fear and confuse as well.
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Excellent, I wonder what other PvP joy I9 will bring.
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tp foe resist in a MM's bodyguard mode?
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*drool*