pvp build for taking down controllers
By
cerberus1,
Posted on: 2007-03-10 15:25 in Everything about PvP
Ice/Energy Tank.
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
With body epics 
An Ice/Energy would be my choice as a hero... they are super hard to hold (the hardest around) and take a really concerted effort to kill with hibernate... combined with impressive single target damage.
As a villian... thats a bit tricky. A brute is going to have trouble building up fury, id guess. A stalker seems a reasonable bet (they do pretty well in PvP anyway). A dominator, providing they could get domination up, would be a real killer due to mez resistance in domination.
I just wondered if a Mastermind could do fairly well?... Controllers would suffer... holding the MM isnt particularly helpful (other than stopping supremecy) as the minions will carry on plowing away and carry on using bodyguard...
Its impossible to really cover all eventualities. I wonder if something like a ninja/FF mastermind would do well tho... high defence minions, mez resistance for yourself and all your cronies (from dispersion feild), and pretty reasonable damage... Mind you a mass confusion on a mastermind means game over...
Heh not helpful at all I suppose... sorry!
rad/psi defender.
eluded Ma/SR can be a pain in team pvp.
Not too sure about ice/nrg tank vs rad, as RI does debuff their defense...
Also in team pvp, ice/en / elec/en is always going to cause probs, espectially if buffed.
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An Ice/Energy would be my choice as a hero... they are super hard to hold (the hardest around)
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Errm I would think that the hardest around is a Stone tank tho
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I just wondered if a Mastermind could do fairly well?... Controllers would suffer... holding the MM isnt particularly helpful (other than stopping supremecy) as the minions will carry on plowing away and carry on using bodyguard...
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If the troller has tp foe, the MM has no chances (mainly if it's an Illu/Rad, because it can hold thru /FF -and this applies to Seri's comment about the eluded MA, too-)
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As a villian...
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Sonic/rad corrupter.
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An Ice/Energy would be my choice as a hero... they are super hard to hold (the hardest around)
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Errm I would think that the hardest around is a Stone tank tho
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Technically True, although also completely useless versus a mobile Controller. Stick yourself in Granite and your damage output will be zero. An Ice tank combines superb durability with superb mobility (resistance to slows). Your point about defence debuffs is entirely reasonable althouth Ice does come with resist def debuff.
As others have said, the varation in controllers sets and powers makes it pretty much impossible to have an AT / sets which can take down anything.
Ice/Energy tank
cant be slowed and u cant stack enough of holds in a 10 minutes fight to burn the bfs. And you cant kill it since hibernate is up to often.
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If the troller has tp foe, the MM has no chances (mainly if it's an Illu/Rad, because it can hold thru /FF -and this applies to Seri's comment about the eluded MA, too-)
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Possibly, the number of times i've seen anyone with TPFoe is insanely small, and i've yet to die to it. And you can just pop an orange the next time 
I would go with a stalker or MM, i find stalkers and MM´s the hardest foe´s to beat with my ill/rad, brute´s are the most easy targets, along with blasters.
Stalkers are tricky becasue u dont get 2* perception with ill/rads. and mm´s cause of that bodygaurd mode,when the pa´s run out, its hard to keep upp with damage output.
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If the troller has tp foe, the MM has no chances (mainly if it's an Illu/Rad, because it can hold thru /FF -and this applies to Seri's comment about the eluded MA, too-)
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Possibly, the number of times i've seen anyone with TPFoe is insanely small, and i've yet to die to it. And you can just pop an orange the next time
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Mine does. It's insane casting ST and PA and then tpfoing someone to it, doesn't have to be a MM 
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If the troller has tp foe, the MM has no chances (mainly if it's an Illu/Rad, because it can hold thru /FF -and this applies to Seri's comment about the eluded MA, too-)
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Possibly, the number of times i've seen anyone with TPFoe is insanely small, and i've yet to die to it. And you can just pop an orange the next time
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Mine does. It's insane casting ST and PA and then tpfoing someone to it, doesn't have to be a MM .
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You have TP foe on most of your toons 
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
Only on illu/rad and stalkie... planning to add it to my bots/ff and i will consider to my ice/nrg tank tho
you had it on your BS/Regen too
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
That was an experimental build one night in test only
For villains I would consider a sonic/dark corruptor for general hero hunting, it has good control itself, a little stealth, and sonic pushes the damage up with each attack. Just take tons of BF's with you. You could also try working tp foe into your brute build and Q up a nice big stun :P
My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
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For villains I would consider a sonic/dark corruptor for general hero hunting, it has good control itself, a little stealth, and sonic pushes the damage up with each attack. Just take tons of BF's with you. You could also try working tp foe into your brute build and Q up a nice big stun :P
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Dark doesnt work against prepared heroes. But is truely nasty against newcommers to PvP.
50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
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For villains I would consider a sonic/dark corruptor for general hero hunting, it has good control itself, a little stealth, and sonic pushes the damage up with each attack. Just take tons of BF's with you. You could also try working tp foe into your brute build and Q up a nice big stun :P
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Dark doesnt work against prepared heroes. But is truely nasty against newcommers to PvP.
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If you mean arena then I wouldnt know, villain side not much hurts prepared heroes anyway. In the zones I've seen sonic/dark used very well to kill a bit of everything. It does seem to benefit from getting the drop on the player though, so maybe it isnt suited to a tiny arena map.
My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
Stationary debuffs arent really a problem for an experienced player. TP temp power is generally all the counter you need.
50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
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Stationary debuffs arent really a problem for an experienced player. TP temp power is generally all the counter you need.
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Things like tar pit arent really what I had in mind for this. Besides, the only people I've seen who come in with all the temps are FOTM builds with pet empaths (sometimes on a 2nd account).
My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
Even if you don't use temp TP (I don't unless arena), there's still the warburg phase power to get out of tar... and that's if you fall in it in the first place.
What did you have in mind, then ?
Fearsome stare ? fear countered by BFs, or IW for some trollers, acc debuff countered by RI and possibly tactics
Dark servant ? It's a pet. Easy to avoid.
DN ? Again, 3-slotted -def RI + 3 acc SO in holds will let you hit through DN + FS in impunity. Even if somehow you manage to stack more -acc with TG and DS, it wouldn't be much... and some pvp builds have tactics or powerboost for more +acc or -def.
-dam works on base, not enhanced, so its not that great against the 215% (3 SO + AM) or 230% (3 SO + AM + assault) trollers have.
TG ? -dam isn't great, the animation is really slow, you need to hit to heal (which is fine during Aim, but it's going to be hard when Aim recharges).
Yeah, you can kill unprepared people if you have siren's webnades or BS' PPP, but everything you can do, you'd be able to do it better as a /rad. If you wanted to say Dark has a lot of control options, it doesn't really work because we're talking about fighting Controllers... who will outcontrol you and run you out of BFs faster.
TBH even without phase and even if the controller was webnaded and into tar patch I'm not sure you'd be able to kill him unless you're fighting in siren/bb/wb (and if so, you wouldn't have webnades outside of store, so temp TP would be a valid choice for the troller). Hibernate, PB'd heal/RI, 40-50% res to smashing (which is half of sonic's damage)... controllers' epics have lot of options. Not to mention outside of Aim, you won't hit 100%, even if you have 3-slotted tactics, because of RI. Stacking -res is hard when you whiff 1 shot every 5.
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Ice/Energy tank
cant be slowed and u cant stack enough of holds in a 10 minutes fight to burn the bfs.
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Dominators can
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trollers too, but can't kill the tank anyway
hi, can anyone please tell me a good build to take down controller (mainly Rads). I have recently fought a few with my elec brute and im finding it really hard to beat them. I was thinking about making a stalker but not completly sure on that. Any help would be much appresheated
thanks