Best counter for cage is defence or use phase shift before they can cage you. Empath and Sonic combo worked really well because defence and accuracy is boosted making the cager difficult to cage and hard to avoid. Rescuer was very difficult to catch or slow and healed almost instantly. I disrupted the caging by using dimension shift and cage but couldn't keep it up as i didn't have the accuracy. AoW fought Duo in the first match.
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What happened? I d/c'd at the beginning of my second match and couldn't get back online!!
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Sry to hear that Dude 
As for our second match we lost it 10 - 9. Thx Again to Syn for doing a great job subbing in 
Ty also to KS for organising another fun tournie was definitley interesting to see an emp and cager win so congratz to Rescuer and Dragons Embrace.
@NeoArc
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In fact, I'd like to see a lot more large-team tournaments. Maybe Squished but 4vs4 next time? With more players the tactics tend to be a lot different, and powers like the captures (sonic cage, detention field) are a lot more balanced rather than being damn-near "I win" buttons.
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Im likeing the sound of that 4 man squished teams maybe timed instead of domination and also no 2 same archtypes or powersets on the same team would be interesting to see as well.
ok, the cage. It is only slightly overpowered in a 2vs2 aspect, however shaman and I managed to win through fighting a cager, by patience. The cager kept me caged for a good 10-15 mins, and shaman did an amazing job staying alive in that time. In the meantime I managed to slowly eat through the cagers' (Decibellion) breakfrees. With the help of Lingering Raiation, this extended his recharge time on the cage allowing me to fire off three or four holds in between.
Eventually, when deci had no bf's left, the match turned in our favour and we won.
So overall? it is certainly an advantage in a 2vs2, but by no means unbeatable.
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ok, the cage. It is only slightly overpowered in a 2vs2 aspect, however shaman and I managed to win through fighting a cager, by patience. The cager kept me caged for a good 10-15 mins, and shaman did an amazing job staying alive in that time. In the meantime I managed to slowly eat through the cagers' (Decibellion) breakfrees. With the help of Lingering Raiation, this extended his recharge time on the cage allowing me to fire off three or four holds in between.
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In all fairness, we chose completely the wrong target to cage in that fight. By the time we'd realised what we'd done, I'd run out of breakfrees to shrug off your holds. Added to that fact the fact that honestly all the matches were a slideshow for me. I'm suprised we won the one we did.
Even so, you capitalized on our stupid mistake so kudos for that
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So overall? it is certainly an advantage in a 2vs2, but by no means unbeatable.
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Note that trying to burn BFs only works if the duo with cage don't both have anti-mez powers - i.e. Clarity and CM.
@Synaesthetix
"Here, take some more bees with you. You may need them."
Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
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I'd actually quite like to see another squishies only tournament but with no identical powersets instead of archetypes.
In fact, I'd like to see a lot more large-team tournaments. Maybe Squished but 4vs4 next time? With more players the tactics tend to be a lot different, and powers like the captures (sonic cage, detention field) are a lot more balanced rather than being damn-near "I win" buttons.
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Yeah, aside from the same ATs but not powersets suggestion I already mentioned, I'd like to see maybe 3 vs 3 matches, or 4 vs 4 as you've suggested. There was a bit of a discussion during the tourny about this, though, and the feeling was it would be hard to get enough teams for even 3 vs 3. I'd go for it though, especially if same ATs were allowed within teams.
the cage imo is massively overpowered and always has been. it is not in the least bit fun to do a 2v2 and either sit in a cage or fight 2v1. having said that it definately isnt an i win button. i and 2 different partners 
beat 2 teams with a sonic last night. we lost to a sonic in the semi but only just. it definately needs a nerf but it is beatable and id be more than happy to fight Duo in a squished rules match with my original team of myself and Casuistry just to show the cage can be beat
thx for a gr8 night to every1 i played against. thx to my 2 subs who played amazin for on the spot teamin 
thx to ks for another cool tournament. keep them coming 
I really don't understand why it has a so stupidly high accuracy?
And why the hell does sonic cage on trollers have the same duration as the defenders cage is that a bug or something?
it just needs the duration or recharge changed. knowing how the devs think when they get round to it they will decrease duration, increase recharge and destroy the accuracy just to make sure they got it
The reason I dont wanna see the cage again isnt because its unbeatable, its not, but because those matches take for bloody ever.
If I had know it was 2 vs 2s and not 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2, I would have used different toons. Hey just [censored] up on my side, but end of story is I dont think cage is overpowered, but I do think the best team there was gatling and xtreme. Too bad gatling couldnt stay the entire time.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
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I really don't understand why it has a so stupidly high accuracy?
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Sonic Cage has 40% (when unslotted) accuracy according to Sherksilver's Hero planner. When buffed with Fortitude it becomes even more highly accurate. Controller version is the same as the Defender version (according to Sherksilver).
And not to mention its recharge is bloody long, so missing once means you won't be able to cage anyone in a good periode of time.
TBH, i don't find cages more overpowered than RI, TK, ET and many other powers out there. The guys who won, did because they played awesomely and because they had the surprise factor on their side. Everybody was playing blaster/empath duos and their counters. They were the best, unlike someone said on a previous post, at least they were yesterday, and being sportif wont kill you
two blaster empath duo's and i never excpected them to win.
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And not to mention its recharge is bloody long, so missing once means you won't be able to cage anyone in a good periode of time.
TBH, i don't find cages more overpowered than RI, TK, ET and many other powers out there. The guys who won, did because they played awesomely and because they had the surprise factor on their side. Everybody was playing blaster/empath duos and their counters. They were the best, unlike someone said on a previous post, at least they were yesterday, and being sportif wont kill you
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i want some of what ur taking pls
Now that's a constructive post, keep your efforts man
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Now that's a constructive post, keep your efforts man
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ok since ur sense of humour seems to be lacking:
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And not to mention its recharge is bloody long, so missing once means you won't be able to cage anyone in a good periode of time.
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it hits thru power boosted fort, it very very rarely misses. and even if it does miss, oh no u have to fight 2v2 
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TBH, i don't find cages more overpowered than RI, TK, ET and many other powers out there.
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every1 disagrees with u, its no where near unbeatable but it is massively overpowered
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The guys who won, did because they played awesomely and because they had the surprise factor on their side.
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what surprise? there were more sonics teams there than blaster/empath teams
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are u serious?
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They were the best, unlike someone said on a previous post, at least they were yesterday, and being sportif wont kill you
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winning a tournament and being the best are very different. to win a league u need skill, to win a tournament u need luck. in 2v2 there is still a lot of rock, scissors, paper. team A can beat team B, team B can beat team C but team C can beat A.
and i agree they did play well and i congratulate them. this is in no way an insult to them but ur rather funny comment. i was particularly impressed with the emp
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and i agree they did play well and i congratulate them. this is in no way an insult to them but ur rather funny comment. i was particularly impressed with the emp
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Impressed by the empath? I thought he did ok nothing more then that. He managed to keep him self a live. He failed to keep his m8 alive against globeys team and that was the only team that had a very nice damage output. Not saying he was bad but i've seen loads better.
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and i agree they did play well and i congratulate them. this is in no way an insult to them but ur rather funny comment. i was particularly impressed with the emp
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Impressed by the empath? I thought he did ok nothing more then that. He managed to keep him self a live. He failed to keep his m8 alive against globeys team and that was the only team that had a very nice damage output. Not saying he was bad but i've seen loads better.
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The emp done a great job. The more match's they had togeather the better they got. We didnt have a death till we met them and what did that get us? 2nd place... So what if they had a few deaths on the way to winning the comp. If Sham says the emp was good then you know he was good
It seems I missed a good evenings entertainment, excuse me while I go scream at the billing department some more.
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And not to mention its recharge is bloody long, so missing once means you won't be able to cage anyone in a good periode of time.
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it hits thru power boosted fort, it very very rarely misses. and even if it does miss, oh no u have to fight 2v2
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Can't speak about sonic cage, but I can assure you that at least FF's one isn't that accurate at all. It misses all the time on /SRs, let alone powerboosted forti. Of course, playing with an empath gives you potential powerboosted forti too, and some odd yellows before applying cage to ensure it hits is nice to have too. Nothing that a powerboosted forti and some odd lucks wouldnt counter tho.
About playing 2v2, that's exactly what the tournament was about, even when playing vs a cager, wasnt it?
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They were the best, unlike someone said on a previous post, at least they were yesterday, and being sportif wont kill you
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winning a tournament and being the best are very different.
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But we do agree on that! That's why I said 'yesterday'
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Oddly enough I side with Psydock on this, somewhat.
The emp was decent at keeping buffs up and his movement was good, but I still managed to tag him inside of 10 seconds when I got loose from the cage; when they switched to caging Shaman, I managed to nail the troller twice, with the emp standing next to him. The emp was decent, but I can't say I was particularly impressed.
@Synaesthetix
"Here, take some more bees with you. You may need them."
Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
I think we should have some PvP matches of varying sizes to test his skillz.
(Isn't that the answer to everything?)
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It seems I missed a good evenings entertainment, excuse me while I scream..
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hehe you and your ice cream...
Ok as i stated i'm not the best at PVP but i do indulge on occassion and after my team went out last night stayed till the end to watch the fights.
Would fine tune there teams and tactics to over come the cageing issue. It might even make some people look at playing other power sets or AT's just to combat it.
So my observations for what its worth on cageing.
The winners used it to great effect and my hats off to them for a great all round team performance through out.
Is it over powered ? In my opinion no. You can't be killed when caged, gain end back and can heal up any damage you've taken. It is annoying at times and frustrating to watch your team mate cope 2v1 for 30 secs but then so is being TK'ed.
I do feel that if this event was run again in 2 months under the same rules you would see alot of Sonic and Bubblers entering. However i don't think that they would win the good PVP'ers out there and there are a few
At the end of the day PVP is a bit like Top trumps some AT's/powersets work very well in the right situation and fall to bits in others. Part of the skill of PVP and events like last night is designing your build and picking your AT to be of max effect for conditions.
The winners last night did that perfectly and in my opinion deserved to win. Rather than shouting that cageing is un fair i think if the experianced PVP'ers out there think about it they can more than come up with an answer to beat it.