The problem with the heroes on the LRSF is the purple
triangles they get which alternate between up and downwards facing. I cant remember which ways which but basically when they are on, the hero gets stupidly high mez protection, rendering a dominators entire primary pretty useless during this time. It doesn't matter how fast or how often you dominate, the result will be the same. they will of course be held in the downtimes, but thats you useless 50% of the time pretty much. You can still use your secondary of course but...who brings a dominator along for their damage? especially against a hero.
The triangles effect controllers in the same way, but of course they have a secondary full of useful buffs or debuffs to bring to the team...not to mention in many cases better damage than a dominator too.
Now...a team of several dominators...all running domination at once MIGHT be able to hold the hero, but it's rare to see an LRSF with one dominator, let alone several, and what team is going to sacrifice a corruptor or brute to bring along more dominators?
I personally have two dominators who i love dearly, but were i running a LRSF, i'd have to put dominators at the bottom of the list, which is sad. Those that do get invited along often feel like a bit of a charity case when they get to the hero section...holding a little, scratching the AV then getting insta-killed.
What we've seen here is a promise to make doms more useful on the LRSF, followed by another buff to domination, instead of dominators themselves. Now i know most dominators take the "gotta build domination...gotta build domination..." approach but i for one dont feel half a toon when dom isn't up...and i dont rely on it like a crutch either. Domination is not the be-all and end-all of dominators, and that the devs SEEM to think so is a sad thing.
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The old snows melt from every mountain-side,
And last year's leaves are smoke in every lane;
But last year's bitter loving must remain
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Doms are pretty good in RSF, assuming your team works with you and don't do the standard "LOL let's use shivans and nukes and rush".
All purple triangles are on the same timer - up 50s, down 25s, so when they go down you can hit a AoE hold and hold all 8 AVs.
AVs don't resist immob even when purple triangles are up (except Synapse, and Mynx in the 4th mish)), 2 applications will work, like against a boss. There's lots of use for AoE immobs : you can use it to make sure all AVs stick in some brute's taunt aura, you can use it to keep them somewhere while a brute taunts jumping in and out of LoS, you can use it for the -fly and fight them on the globe, etc. .
AVs don't resist sleep either. If you're a mind dom, you can perma-sleep from 3 to 6 AVs with your ST sleep. AoE sleeps will work during domination, too.
And of course with Mind you have -regen as well although you can't perma it without outside buffs. Also a confused LB Warden could prove useful.
Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant
I was the plant dom on a 7 man team that did LRSF before it was nerfed. Ok, primary didn't feel amazingly useful; but with the buffs/ nukes/ dom level confusion/ AoE immob I still contributed a fair bit of damage
Short answer: doms are useless in any high level group that faces anything higher than a boss.
I know, I have tried.
Long answer: doms are about useful as any other AT in all the RSF missions except the last one. No RSF team that is actually planning on finishing the RSF will take a dom along. None
@Boerewors
This is the huge problem: Dominators are the weakest AT in the LRSF.
In normal play, I dont think people mind too much. However the LRSF is quite different. Fisrtly, you get a concrete reward at the end, meaning people really really want to succeed.
Secondly, success hangs on a knife edge. Even optimised, highly erxperienced teams have the fight of the life on their hands.
Put these two together, and nobody wants to take dead weight along. Even stalkers and masterminds (who are arguably slightly weaker than brutes and corruptors against the final heroes) can sometimes be considered with caution.
What team is ever going to take a seriously underperforming dominator along for the ride? I certainly dont know of any.
Dominatosr do need a very careful look at. And the answer, contrary to devs apparent vision, is not, IMHO, to bring domination up more and more often.
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Drat! I knew I shouldn't have soloed Synapse and Mynx. If only I'd have known 
. Down the tracks not across the street.
You soloed them? I hope thats sarcasm since I do not believe you if you claim it to be true.
@Boerewors
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Soloing elite bosses isnt that tough if you know what youre doing (depending on which one though). My stalker just soloed snaptooth today. (My stalker teammate however bit the dirt from his first attack basically.. :S Hence the solo.)
However against AVs or GMs, I guess its mainly about what little damage or secondary effects doms can offer.
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It's both sarcasm and true, ain't I just a card?
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Short answer: doms are useless in any high level group that faces anything higher than a boss.
I know, I have tried.
Long answer: doms are about useful as any other AT in all the RSF missions except the last one. No RSF team that is actually planning on finishing the RSF will take a dom along. None
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This is just plain false, and indicative of the widespread ignorance of Dominators' abilities. A Dominator with Power Boost, Vengeance, and immobilizes is the single most useful member of any LRSF team, and is the first thing I look for when putting a team together. Dominators in general are good for any AV fights, as their immobilizes keep the AVs in the debuff areas and within range of the meleers.
Well you are one of the few then, no one else even considers a dom into a RSF team, no one I have ever met.
You talked about AVs, what about heros? Do the doms in your RSF teams actually manage to immob any of the heros in the final mission for longer than 2 seconds?
I find that hard to believe
@Boerewors
Heroes are AVs, just with a different label. They are numerically identical in all aspects. With the AoE and single-target immobilize powers found in 4 of the 5 Dominator primary sets, it's quite easy to perma-immobilize multiple AVs/Heroes (the ones without any special immobilize protection powers).
EDIT: The "purple triangles" mez protection power that provides Mag 50 protection against holds and stuns for 50 out of every 75 seconds does not grant any immobilize protection, so AVs/Heroes are no harder to immobilize than ordinary bosses.
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Long answer: doms are about useful as any other AT in all the RSF missions except the last one. No RSF team that is actually planning on finishing the RSF will take a dom along. None
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Well, damn ! I guess my 2 lvl 50 characters SHO'ed out + my 5 trays full of SHOes are only in my head. I guess I've dreamed about my mind/nrj friend perma-sleeping 5 AVs in the last mish at lvl 46 (so basically, sk'ed to 49).
Thanks for clarifying... it seemed so real to me.
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You talked about AVs, what about heros? Do the doms in your RSF teams actually manage to immob any of the heros in the final mission for longer than 2 seconds?
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Dude, you never did the RSF, did you ?
My brute can perma-immob all 8 AVs but Synapse (he resists immob), with 3 dam/mez 2 acc 1 rech slotting on her PPP immob.
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And of course with Mind you have -regen as well although you can't perma it without outside buffs. Also a confused LB Warden could prove useful.
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Confused Positron FTW. 
(Just a nitpick : the -regen is in Drain Psyche, which is /psy, not mind/ )
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With the AoE and single-target immobilize powers found in 4 of the 5 Dominator primary sets, it's quite easy to perma-immobilize multiple AVs/Heroes (the ones without any special immobilize protection powers).
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And I was just going to comment that not all dominators get immobs. Mine doesnt. (Besides I hate immobs and don't want to make a character pony to pull off this one particular trick.)
edit. Ps. I dont get -regen either. I must have a destiny to play only gimped characters
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With the AoE and single-target immobilize powers found in 4 of the 5 Dominator primary sets, it's quite easy to perma-immobilize multiple AVs/Heroes (the ones without any special immobilize protection powers).
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And I was just going to comment that not all dominators get immobs. Mine doesnt. (Besides I hate immobs and don't want to make a character pony to pull off this one particular trick.)
edit. Ps. I dont get -regen either. I must have a destiny to play only gimped characters
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Mind/* gets to sleep them instead.
Lecxe, I think you might be confused - you are talking about "Dominateurs" (which of course are great) - you don't have any experience with "Dominators" which totally suck. Please, make sure you get your facts straight next time.
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EDIT: The "purple triangles" mez protection power that provides Mag 50 protection against holds and stuns for 50 out of every 75 seconds does not grant any immobilize protection, so AVs/Heroes are no harder to immobilize than ordinary bosses.
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Wait, they don't get any fear or confuse prot/resist either? I have to admit I havent run into many AVs yet so I dont have personal experience. And my heroes are mostly non-controlling sort.
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With the AoE and single-target immobilize powers found in 4 of the 5 Dominator primary sets, it's quite easy to perma-immobilize multiple AVs/Heroes (the ones without any special immobilize protection powers).
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And I was just going to comment that not all dominators get immobs. Mine doesnt. (Besides I hate immobs and don't want to make a character pony to pull off this one particular trick.)
edit. Ps. I dont get -regen either. I must have a destiny to play only gimped characters
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Mind/* gets to sleep them instead.
Lecxe, I think you might be confused - you are talking about "Dominateurs" (which of course are great) - you don't have any experience with "Dominators" which totally suck. Please, make sure you get your facts straight next time.
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The first rule of Dominateur Club is - you do not talk about Dominateur Club. The second rule of Dominateur Club is - you DO NOT talk about Dominateur Club.
Interesting fact : Domination in french is, amazingly enough, Domination.
Triangles give protection to confuse too, but I can't remember about fear.
Great discussion ;-)
Well I am certainly enlightened and hope to one day be in a RSF with a dom, maybe when they nerf it to pieces and someone actually considers taking a dom with.
Seriously, I apologise for coming across as a doom and gloom prophet for doms but I love the AT but am really, really disillusioned by the fact that my dom almost never got invited to groups, cannot solo EBs,and I had to level a brute just to see the inside of a RSF. I would love to know when and where there are actually people who run RSF with doms.
@Boerewors
It's up to you to form your own RSF team and show people how strong doms (and especially mind, here) are. Folks can't believe doms are great if there's no high-level doms because "everyone" (including some doms) say doms suck.
It's not like the RSF is that hard since I8 (and it never was, to begin with). To debunk a forum myth, I've done it since I8 with 2 corruptors, 1 corruptor, sometimes no corruptor (but 2 MMs). Never used shivans/nukes, never pulled. Our worst time was between 2h30 and 3h, which I think is a reasonable length of time for a TF (and this is with all the crashes, poor performance and stuff with I8). None of us are extraordinary players, in fact in those teams there were often 1 or 2 "RSF newbies". All you need is coordination and 20 luck inspirations.
so .. i read confusion... sleep.. drain psyché.. what are the little "plus" other set can bring?
AoE immob (perma), AoE lockdown (33% of the time), AoE confuse (plant, mind), AoE sleep (plant, ice, mind), AoE phase (grav, only useful with another grav, or FF/sonic MM/cor), and a pet to take the alpha ("2" for plant, thanks to creepers)
hum.. mince alors si je veux faire cette TF il faudra que je la solote, car etant grav/thorn j'ai pas l'air d'avoir grand chose a offrir dans cet liste : /
Ive killed the sea witch quite a few times on various alts, but when I held her it was the easiest time I ever had. Ok it was villainous but I had 1 MM lked to my lvl and a lv19 stalker lkying a lv12 brute. Ive also been on a team with about 3 or 4 corr (2 ice/, 1 dark/), and a relentless lvl PSI hero was held before I had finished debuffing with EF and RI.
Are dom's now able to contribute in the RSF (with the 3 copied holds u get in domination)? Which would have the side effect of making stalkers more useful, especially if there is no danger with hero being held.
If they have GM lvl hold resistance in the final mission though, it will make a mockery of the improvements Doms have had, in terms of being able to contribute in the final mission of RSF.