End was awful on my Ice/Elec up until 22 when I got Stamina and SOs. From there I rarely have any problems.
The best thing to do is have lots of CABs in your tray and use rest whenever it's up, as well as the usual things like not running Sprint.
Keep going with it, it's worth it in the end.
Ice/Elec will be end-heavy until 36. It eases up a bit at L20 and 22 (Stamina and SO's), but it only really stops at L36, when you have slotted power sink.
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I tried an ice/elec blaster im enjoying him, hes lvl 5, problem is he runs out of end after killing about 5 hellions, is it suppose to be this heavy? i got like 3 attacks and i got end probs already. is this natural for ice?
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It's the way of the Blaster.
Quick Recovery has spoiled you [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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I tried an ice/elec blaster im enjoying him, hes lvl 5, problem is he runs out of end after killing about 5 hellions, is it suppose to be this heavy? i got like 3 attacks and i got end probs already. is this natural for ice?
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I'm SOOOOOOOO gonna sue you for this:P...and yes blasters are pretty end heavy...tho once you got power sink slotted up and well you will not have any problem anymore
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End was awful on my Ice/Elec up until 22 when I got Stamina and SOs. From there I rarely have any problems.
The best thing to do is have lots of CABs in your tray and use rest whenever it's up, as well as the usual things like not running Sprint.
Keep going with it, it's worth it in the end.
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*looks at her powertray...damn sprint/ss/acrobatics/cj are runnin
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could this be the empty in 2.5 seconds problem [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Well this toons going to be a blapper, so going to be focusing on my elec melee power mainly, but i still need some endurance left to shoot down my running foe [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Im pretty puzzled it to lvl this toon though, will it be worth it, willit have a big down-side to it, i play scrapper for pvp mostly, and i have a tanker so im not realy use to playing squishy.
*Gets ready for teh uber gank*
Ice/elec works cool for PvP, although I know of one that makes the build look awful cough *icy's* cough [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Well this toons going to be a blapper, so going to be focusing on my elec melee power mainly, but i still need some endurance left to shoot down my running foe [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Don't...before i7 blapping was the number 1 solution..now I would make it 50% blapper only (reason I respecced my build badly)..normaly you could toggle drop hold so you would be safe...now your pretty forced to use at least 2-3 blasts before going into blap range (unless you face squishi enough enemies)..but why wouldn't you...ice is amazing:P..I bet ice/nrg would still be able to do it tho (my regen often get stunned).. oh...and..don't take the last attack (ffs to sleepy to remember the name)..it may seem like a nice hold and can be your aid self killer (damage over time) but your chain would get way to long..better get a mag 2-3 hold from the epic sets
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my ice/elec has beaten enough of you silly /nrg blappers so shush [img]/uk/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Ran an Ice Elec to 50 without powersink. With Fly, with stealth/invis, with epic armour and sometimes running snow storm too. No real issues. Trick is for PvE, slotting your 5th enchancement in your damage powers as an end reducer. I used to solo in PvE a lot, well up to about 30ish. I do remember having to use rest quite often, and this was way back in I3 when rest was on a big timer. However, i minced missions without bottoming endurance too much. Minions drop in 2 hits generally, Bitter Ice Blast and Charged Brawl, or Havoc Punch and Ice Blast. 3rd Target gets Ice bold and Bitter Ice Blast when its back up. 3 dead minions. No endurance problems.
I havent yet respecced to PvP, pending completion of a few more TFs, badges etc. However, I doubt endurance is a concern at all here. What I cant kill in a BU/AIM window would probably require me to kite a little, in which case I wouldnt be using the end heavy melee attacks too much.
I was going to post, questioning the merits of Powersink for PvP, maybe I can do it here? If i drop it from the PvP build, i can fit in some other goodies, such as TP foe for annoying BGing MMs... Is powersink usable in PvP? Anyone know?
Not that I have much experience of PvP with my elec/elec but I don't think I'd bother with Power Sink for PvP if it was the only drain power I had. You could only get a full drain if the person was quite low on end to begin with. It doesn't do -recovery either.
That said, I get that you can play an Ice/Elec to 50 without Power Sink but why would you want to? [img]/uk/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Chap got it with the endred comment, my Dom runs no stamina and can solo your mum's mates and whoever else fancies it at 36 and has pretty much no down time (pet and domination help with this). I would strongely recommend PS although maybe only 2 recred 2 endmod as you will have stamina anyway. Ice takes a lot of end per time and elec melee is quite costly. Expecting a toon to solo or even team without enduracen dowtime is no the way of the Devs.
My best advice is do not go melee intesive til at the earliest 20 odd, take them but don;t bother with much more than 1 acc 2 dmg or you will be forever meleeing, the range will offer you better survivability and dmg over time (melee only builds don't even have their main chain recharged every mob at low levels).
take aim and BU asap
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My elec/elec runs without Stamina now too, I have no trouble at all except in AV fights where I need to use cabs and be a little careful with my end. Power Sink is not that great against single targets. Also sometimes I get carried away and forget to use PS so I run out of end... [img]/uk/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
Might respec it back at some point tho, I miss hurdle and health and don't much like Thunder Strike so only need to get rid of one more power to fit them in since I got a free power choice left.
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Well faced with a power choice at 35, and not having experienced any major end issues, its more of a question of, why take it? When you can tap into previously missed attacks or add some survivability from the pools. Just didnt have a major end problem.
End Red slotting ftw [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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That said, I get that you can play an Ice/Elec to 50 without Power Sink but why would you want to? [img]/uk/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Well faced with a power choice at 35, and not having experienced any major end issues, its more of a question of, why take it? When you can tap into previously missed attacks or add some survivability from the pools. Just didnt have a major end problem.
End Red slotting ftw [img]/uk/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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I'd take Power Sink just for the Nuke + CaB + Power Sink combo. The nuke goes from situational to awesome, must use whenever it's up for any spawn larger than 5. [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Maybe it's different for Blizzard though. I'm addicted to the way Thunderous Blast makes them twitch.
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twitch heh [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
It's true, stamina+PS=no down time, although PS isn't needed, if you are elec primary you have to be pretty bonnkers to not take it with SC. Even with the situational nuke thing, you can get away with 1 endmod slot in it, in a mob of 5 it would give you all your end back. For me personally the defining powers of the elec sets are SC, PS, TC, VS and TB although I don't have TB, and osme other powers like LC are awesome for some styles (and it's likely to make an appearance in my build soon [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] if i don;t take TB again [img]/uk/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] )
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry when i see statements like this.
cry because it's true. it's a lot worse then the other nukes, and that is a fact.
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cry because it's true. it's a lot worse then the other nukes, and that is a fact.
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I think you should check the actual figures before posting. Perhaps even engage your brain too.
The unslotted damage of blizzard is nearly double that of any other nuke. Now that's a fact.
Check it here. Clicky
It's posts like yours that give the impression of actuality without backing things up that give unfavourable impressions of powers that are infact wildly innacurate. Hopefully though, most people don't actually take any notice.
some powers may look good in paper, but in practise they are not as great. the fact that i've played a ice blaster up to 50 and i've had blizzard during that time. I never liked blizzard during that time and considerd it as the worst blaster nuke, and i still consider it the worst blaster nuke. Rain of arrows atleast doesnt drain you of all endurance.
But it's also good in practice too. Have you used blizzard since it's been buffable? (This is a rhetorical question...i really don't want an answer thanks).
With the right slotting this is THE most damaging nuke. Not only that, with the secondary effects (-spd, -recharge, slow, -acc..have i forgotten any?) it is more useful against levels much higher than you, with the sonic nuke perhaps just pipping due to instant damage, -res and stunning bosses. TB's endurance drain just doesn't work against a higher level difference leaving alot of aggro for you to take.
I could go on, but i won't.
the moment you use blizzard, you gain all aggro, so you can easily be killed before the time of blizzard is over. and whe nyou die the blizzard dies as well. why the other nukes are so good is simply because the can kill all minions and liues in one shot whereas blizzard has to do something like 20 ticks, in that time you can be very vulnurble.
I tried an ice/elec blaster im enjoying him, hes lvl 5, problem is he runs out of end after killing about 5 hellions, is it suppose to be this heavy? i got like 3 attacks and i got end probs already. is this natural for ice?