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spyka good luck killing my blaster with your scrapper, all i have to to is bounce of power boost aid self, only way is if yo uget a lucky critical hit in on me, and besides you've seen plight you tied with him because aid self was so strong. I'm not asking for a big nerf just make the recharge 10 seconds longer or something like that. and this power is not only good for squishies have you seen all those sr reflex scrappers, they use it as well. and i still think i could beat a sr scrapper if they nerfed aid self since it wouldn't only effect my blaster but the sr as well. Regen is almost impossible to kill for a solo blaster, that is if the regen scrapper is good.
I'm just saying aid self needs a looking at, you can use it way too often. it's ridiculously strong.
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but heres the point (again) NOT EVERYONE HAS POWERBOOST so aid self ISNT rediculously strong POWERBOOST makes it that way which is the whole POINT of that POWER.
Please drop powerboost from your build and then come back with an objective veiwpoint as what you say needs a nerf isnt the same thing as what you get to use. For someone who knows what powers do I fail to see your reasoning here as clearly aid self doesnt need a nerf its powerboosted aid self. Its simple cause and effect, the cause is powerboost to change the effect.
And as for killing your blaster, im really not into any kind of willy-waving here but the critical hits are all about what makes a scrapper, its what allows scrappers to pull down tanks and brutes in unstoppable etc and if you were on anything less than 100% my headsplitter would drop you when it crits, big whoop. Boy this hypothetical imaginary pvp sure is fun.... 
And no, I didnt tie with plight, plight beat me and it wasnt because aid self was so strong its because plight is a damn good dueler (although he did cheat using tactical start with an end drainer, he wont be doing that with me again 
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As i said, make another damn blaster without /em or powerboost or a dominator, or a corrupter and see how much you think aid self needs nerfing then
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plight is a damn good dueler (although he did cheat using tactical start with an end drainer, he wont be doing that with me again )
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I thought it a little cheeky when he did that against me, too 
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plight is a damn good dueler (although he did cheat using tactical start with an end drainer, he wont be doing that with me again )
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I thought it a little cheeky when he did that against me, too
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he did that against me as well, bah i still won 
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actually i have an ice tank with aid self as well, i'm almost unkillable with it in pvp. I still think aid self needs a looking at.
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plight is a damn good dueler (although he did cheat using tactical start with an end drainer, he wont be doing that with me again )
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I thought it a little cheeky when he did that against me, too
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Sod nerfing Aid Self nerf Plight and then then slap him for being cheecky.
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actually i have an ice tank with aid self as well, i'm almost unkillable with it in pvp.
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plight is a damn good dueler (although he did cheat using tactical start with an end drainer, he wont be doing that with me again )
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he did that against me as well, bah i still won .
actually i have an ice tank with aid self as well, i'm almost unkillable with it in pvp. I still think aid self needs a looking at.
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oh an ice tank with aid self? Have you forgone hoarfrost and hibernate? well just so long as you are making it a balanced veiw point. I just respeced aid self into my regen scrapper and what do you know, now I too think its overpowered as its just one big heal fest.....
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spyka good luck killing my blaster with your scrapper, all i have to to is bounce of power boost aid self, only way is if yo uget a lucky critical hit in on me
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I'm pretty damn sure Stalk can kill you with his Scrapper, seeing as I managed to drop you 1v1 with my Claws/SR pre-17 - that is, with toggle-drops, without Claws changes. As I recall, you were using Power Boost>Aid Self every 20 seconds then, and I still dropped you (without Eluding, without using Insps, with you dipping into the safe zone every so often). If I were you, I'd be careful about claiming hypothetical victories.
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spyka good luck killing my blaster with your scrapper, all i have to to is bounce of power boost aid self, only way is if yo uget a lucky critical hit in on me
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I'm pretty damn sure Stalk can kill you with his Scrapper, seeing as I managed to drop you 1v1 with my Claws/SR pre-17 - that is, with toggle-drops, without Claws changes. As I recall, you were using Power Boost>Aid Self every 20 seconds then, and I still dropped you (without Eluding, without using Insps, with you dipping into the safe zone every so often). If I were you, I'd be careful about claiming hypothetical victories.
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you want a one on one in the arena, it's diffrent in the zones you've got distractions npc's hitting you and so on, i'd would never ever get killed by a claw scrapper in a one on one in the arena, sorry i can't see this happening.
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you want a one on one in the arena, it's diffrent in the zones you've got distractions npc's hitting you and so on, i'd would never ever get killed by a claw scrapper in a one on one in the arena, sorry i can't see this happening.
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Are you saying that even Aid-Self can't save you against a lowly Claws Scrapper in the zones - even with Power Boost?
Guess it doesn't need a nerf, then. 
(FWIW, I've not taken Aid Self with my /En Blapper, so I don't have any vested interest in it being nerfed or otherwise. The only conclusion I can see coming from this discussion is that Power Boost in the /Energy Manip secondary needs nerfing.)
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i was bad back in the days and i had a build without ss in warbug, that means i've got no stealth so all those npc were hitting me with their psi damage slowing me, now i've got ss in warbug so they can't see me. Are you saying you could kill me with your scrapper in a one vs one in the arena.
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all those npc were hitting me with their psi damage slowing me,
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All 3 Rogue Fortunatas, who were attacking once in a blue moon whenever you ran into them? That must have been crippling. 
Stop making excuses. I'm not interested in 1v1s, in the Arena, PvP Zones, or anywhere - and I said as much at the time. You repeatedly called me out, I eventually accepted - and you lost. Again, I suggest you heed my advice not to indulge in hypothetical victories.
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all those npc were hitting me with their psi damage slowing me,
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All 3 Rogue Fortunatas, who were attacking once in a blue moon whenever you ran into them? That must have been crippling.
Stop making excuses. I'm not interested in 1v1s, in the Arena, PvP Zones, or anywhere - and I said as much at the time. You repeatedly called me out, I eventually accepted - and you lost. Again, I suggest you heed my advice not to indulge in hypothetical victories.
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actually i killed you once elude dropped while u were heading for the hills.
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actually i killed you once elude dropped while u were heading for the hills.
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But I never ran to the safe zone like you, did I?
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nope, FYI i don't run there anymore i don't need to i've got more travel powers in warbug, and you can ask E-gen or anyone else, i run and survive a lot.
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nope, FYI i don't run there anymore
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Key word - as you did repeatedly at the time.
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nope, FYI i don't run there anymore
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yup i ran into the safe zone, anyways this discussion is getting out of hand, let's get back to the original topic. Aid self needs a tad nerf, as in increasing the recharge, it's avalable way too often.
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Aid self needs a tad nerf, as in increasing the recharge, it's avalable way too often.
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And much like some of the other people in this thread, it would appear that Power Boost in the Energy Manip secondary needs a nerf, possibly in the way of not having a +heal component.
Nerfing Aid Self itself would only unfairly impact the other builds that use it, and give /En more of an advantage by them being able to boost the amount healed, with the recharge times remaining comparative; that is, although all Aid Self users would be nerfed, /En Blasters, and some Controllers and Defenders would have a greater advantage because of Power Boost.
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And much like some of the other people in this thread, it would appear that Power Boost in the Energy Manip secondary AND NOT THE CONTROLLER EPIC needs a nerf, possibly in the way of not having a +heal component.
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Fixed. Leave my controllers Power Boost alone! It's not quite so game-breaking as /EMs since we don't get it until level 47.
Im still not sure where you are coming from on this psydock, its established that powerboosted aid self is not the same as what everyone else gets, and certainly its not the same thing when used in conjunction with an ice tank with crap loads of HPs, a heal + HP boost AND hibernate.
Seriously why dont you make a alt like a none /em blaster, a corrupter or a dominator and see how you get on? Its the only way to be able to make the broad sweeping statement that you are doing, as it stands you are not in remote command of all the facts. Try it in a real context and tell me squishies like trollers, defenders, doms and corrupters whod DONT have a heal in their sets (yeah we all know you ahve an EMPATH troller)
I really have to say that this thread irks me, mainly because you are supposed to have a grasp on the mechanisms of the game and yet you seem oblivious to how vital aid self is to certain alts and is in no way overpowered for the majority. Im sure pvp dominators really could use dying more often than they do, this is why we barely see any as is. What is it that you want? City of tanks/scrappers/brutes?
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Fixed. Leave my controllers Power Boost alone! It's not quite so game-breaking as /EMs since we don't get it until level 47.
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Kinda my point, in a roundabout way. Nerfing Aid Self alone would result in Controller and Defender Power Boost on the chopping block, due to /En Manip Power Boost's would-be glaring advantage. A swift adjustment to /EMs Power Boost, however, would remove most of the problems complained about in this thread.
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Im sure pvp dominators really could use dying more often than they do, this is why we barely see any as is. What is it that you want? City of tanks/scrappers/brutes?
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Isnt it pretty close to that already :S
I recently copied my dom over to test, respecced in aid self (along with other powers) and tried a 1 v 1. In no way conclusive but I felt like I was participating in the fight more rather than hanging on by the skin of my teeth all the time.
BTW. Heres a dev quote from the american boards.
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Sure. I think, compared to many other self heals, Aid Self is over-powered. Mainly, this is due to how Interrupt powers work, and a scale that is slightly too high, so it would not be an easy change to make. It would also be very unpopular, and, in the end, it isn't strictly necessary. So, it stays as is.
Of course, that means every AT that has a self heal can now complain that it isn't as effective as Aid Self, and what are they getting to make this fair? Not much, I'm afraid. The only thing I can really say is that taking Aid Self in addition to their normal Self Heal will increase their survivability.
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ok i read the last 60 % of this (from where i got mentioned). some points.
ty botty, i rawk, although i have been massacred with many toons even with aid self, the combination of aid self +epic res makes a HUGE difference to pre epic res aid self. in the same way that considering PB+AS is silly, considering epic res+AS is unreasonable, as most blasters dont have epic res... i would say somewhere in the region of 95% of all blasters are not 44+.
RE me being cheeky in duels: duels referred to here were mainly on test, on test i tend not to rate cos it means even less than on live, but on live i almost always rate, duels = rated = tactical start. tht is how i play FWIW.
aid self, imho, does not WAI, that is to say that it has almost no interrupt, i only slot 1 intred and have massacred the majority of toons i've fought, the actual recharge/heal/end cost of AS is pretty reasonable imo in pvp, if someone dares lock me down i can't always heal thru the dmg, and the way i use AS means that if i am constantly pummeled i will burn my end on interrupts VERY fast, a lack of understanding against AS is sometimes a problem, even vs people i think i can't hold, if they have AS i will spam my 1 slotted DoT immob my hold+DoT and my AoE+DoT, negate a power to beat it. same goes formy ice dom, i would mince a /nrg blaster if i could survive an alpha, because slow negates clicks blah blah blah.
AS makes squishies viable in small teams, particularly to those who don;t build team reliant builds. I have plenty of toons which 'dont work' outside of certain team environments, much like empaths, i also have 1 toon which can beat nigh on any enemy he encounters. to change AS's heal/recharge would hurt a lot of PvEers, which leads me to my conclusion.
as i stated earlier, AS is not WAI, becase it heals in situations where it shouldnt i.e. in intense battle, to the point that you can still have 2 recred 3 heal and it will fire off under double DoT (i use this thing in ice rain sheesh), the problem is that the interrupt is short enough to make it viable in intense toe to toe combat, this doesnt match its description tbh, i believe anyone who can control a foe or mob should be able to use this power, anyone who cant get a good few seconds clear should suffer without a self heal. that said, 1) castle said it too hard to recode and would displease people so they wont and 2) it makes my squishy viable so i dont want it nerfing. i still cant beat a good scrapper, and thats right imo.
re th click heals vs AS: any1 who cries that AS is as powerful as click heals is sooo wrong its not funny, my PB has aaid other and self and theya re so much more viable as powers than the equivalent pool powers that my blaster has, being able to move and heal is critical when u are about to die, AS needs a lot more aareness and gives a lot less in tight situations. nerf this power and we will go back to Pre PvP where pretty much no1 uses it because any other power pick would be better imo.
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and this is an obvious unfair advantage in your favour as I am sure you are aware, Im all for play to win but it isnt sporting, its cheap and unbecoming of you IMHO
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Im still not sure where you are coming from on this psydock, its established that powerboosted aid self is not the same as what everyone else gets, and certainly its not the same thing when used in conjunction with an ice tank with [censored] loads of HPs, a heal + HP boost AND hibernate.
Seriously why dont you make a alt like a none /em blaster, a corrupter or a dominator and see how you get on? Its the only way to be able to make the broad sweeping statement that you are doing, as it stands you are not in remote command of all the facts. Try it in a real context and tell me squishies like trollers, defenders, doms and corrupters whod DONT have a heal in their sets (yeah we all know you ahve an EMPATH troller)
I really have to say that this thread irks me, mainly because you are supposed to have a grasp on the mechanisms of the game and yet you seem oblivious to how vital aid self is to certain alts and is in no way overpowered for the majority. Im sure pvp dominators really could use dying more often than they do, this is why we barely see any as is. What is it that you want? City of tanks/scrappers/brutes?
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no but it's ridiculous having two scrappers chasing my blaster and can barley kill me because i can run away and heal such a great amount of hp and so often. I'm just saying it needs a looking at.
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You mean just like with Burn or /Regen?
Huge reaction the numerous times both of those have been altered (just about every issue) and neither is anywhere near how they were at launch.
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Yeah but Burn was being abused I mean fancy mobs running away from fire who would of thought it. And Regen is still god like the people moaning about these nerfs really had nothing to moan about.
Where as if self heal gets nerfed it will be because people are moaning about some thing that they have not found a way to get past in PvP. Self heal is working fine if you ask me its not giving any one an unfiar advantge as every one can get it if they so wish.