Well so far, the PPP that interest me are the ones from scorpio. Ranged attacks will be usefull, either in PvP or PvE plus there is also an AoE blast.
Now, what really bugs me is i want to know if the damage done by the PPP will affected by your fury.
I can't see any reason why the PPP damage would NOT be affected by fury...
The Dev's intenion with the Epic pools is to let us broaden our horizons and try new things. On some heroes this didn't work out so well, with Focused Accuracy as the main culprit - this power makes you better at what you can already do. They seem to have been more careful with the villain APPs - which also makes them a bit lacklustre.
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Endurance stealing powers which help with endurance (and I'm talking about AoE powers like Dark Consumption and Ball Lightning here, not the single target quite possibly flimsy end steal we get on Mu Lightning)
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Finally, I think an AoE immobilize might be great fir a brute. It attracts lots of aggro - which you want - and most mobs do a lot less damage at range.
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I can't see any reason why the PPP damage would NOT be affected by fury...
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It could, there are a few powers that while they do generate fury, the damage you do with the power is not. Also one of the attack in the new elec set is not affacted by fury. I
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Finally, I think an AoE immobilize might be great fir a brute. It attracts lots of aggro - which you want - and most mobs do a lot less damage at range.
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What if you already have say, taunt, foot stomp and mud pots though? Or uh, that fire damage aura which name I suddenly can't recall and taunt and another AoE damage attack?
Actually the new power in the electric set is affected by fury:
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Can you tell us why certain powers (Lightning Rod, Chain Induction) won't be effected by Fury? Will they be just too uber with it?
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The Lightning Rod power *is* affected fully by Fury. The description has been changed to reflect this.
Chain Induction is only partially affected by Fury. The initial hit is affected by the Furies Strength, however, any 'chained' blasts are not. They *are* affected by the strength of the opponent who is chaining the power, though, so an arc from an AV will be stronger than an arc from an underling by quite a margin.
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Source.
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I can't see any reason why the PPP damage would NOT be affected by fury...
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It could, there are a few powers that while they do generate fury, the damage you do with the power is not. Also one of the attack in the new elec set is not affacted by fury. I
[/ QUOTE ]AFAIK the only power (non-inheret/temp.) that isn't fully affected by fury is chain induction in the elec melee, and that's because it has it's own special way of calculating the damage done.
Currently, Burn is not affected by fury, but I think it will be in I7 (this may be one of the reason they put priority on the buffability of drop powers).
As to the many other aggro-control options available, well, they are options. And I beleive additional options is what epic powers is all about.
Oh yes, of course, burn can't yet be affected because it's LBAoE, but as said, will be with I7.
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What I find worse is that instead of you attacking my negative points about the PPPs you've decided to attack me personally. That's very bad form, in case you weren't aware. In a thread where I wanted to poll how everyone else feels about this and maybe see if I was wrong, no less.
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Next time I post I shall check it with you to check if it is 'bad form' or not - seeing as you're the expert. 
If you read my post all but the last paragraph was doing exactly what you asked - countering your argument about why the PPPs are 'useless'. The last paragraph was just showing my fustration at people who judge powers and changes before they even get onto Test.
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But it was written as a personal attack - please, don't do this. You're well aware of the trouble it causes.
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I'm sure though this post will also be interpreted as an attack and you'll accuse me of baseless whining some more and infer that I'm somehow too dumb to plan ahead, again. If you liked the PPPs that much, you could've just said so, cause that's what the thread is for.
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Well not really, as in this post you weren't whining at all. However, you were in the original post. I'm reserving my judgement on the PPPs until I get a chance to actually see them in action.
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Expressing concerns is not whining, and calling it such achieves nothing but causing more touble and bad feeling. Again, please don't do it.
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Finally, I think an AoE immobilize might be great fir a brute. It attracts lots of aggro - which you want - and most mobs do a lot less damage at range.
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What if you already have say, taunt, foot stomp and mud pots though? Or uh, that fire damage aura which name I suddenly can't recall and taunt and another AoE damage attack?
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You can have too many AoE attacks? 
Too much AoE damage, is that more attacks than you can actually chain? Cause I find myself using single target attacks in between and it feels like such a waste
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I'm sure though this post will also be interpreted as an attack and you'll accuse me of baseless whining some more and infer that I'm somehow too dumb to plan ahead, again. If you liked the PPPs that much, you could've just said so, cause that's what the thread is for.
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Well not really, as in this post you weren't whining at all. However, you were in the original post. I'm reserving my judgement on the PPPs until I get a chance to actually see them in action.
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Expressing concerns is not whining, and calling it such achieves nothing but causing more touble and bad feeling. Again, please don't do it.
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To be honest, I'm not sure about that. One of the definitions of 'whining' is "To complain or protest in a childish fashion." To me, complaining about a set which hasn't yet been played, has no hard data and will be used in a part of the game that has not been seen yet is a bit childish don't you think?
Anyway, I think I've let my feelings on the subject known.
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To be honest, I'm not sure about that. One of the definitions of 'whining' is "To complain or protest in a childish fashion." To me, complaining about a set which hasn't yet been played, has no hard data and will be used in a part of the game that has not been seen yet is a bit childish don't you think?
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By that line of reasoning, it's incredibly hypocritical to defend something that hasn't been played, has no hard data and will be used in an area of the game that has yet to be seen. 
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To be honest, I'm not sure about that. One of the definitions of 'whining' is "To complain or protest in a childish fashion." To me, complaining about a set which hasn't yet been played, has no hard data and will be used in a part of the game that has not been seen yet is a bit childish don't you think?
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By that line of reasoning, it's incredibly hypocritical to defend something that hasn't been played, has no hard data and will be used in an area of the game that has yet to be seen.
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Well, as I have said elsewhere I'm reserving judgement on the PPPs until I can actually see them in action. I'm just defending them from being pre-judged
There is plenty of hard data:
A) Brutes will have pets available.
B) MM pets can sometimes make it harder for a Brute to build fury.
C) Dominator pets can sometimes lead to domination building more slowly.
Certainly enough data for the op to express a concern, if only to recieve reasurance.
Also accusing someone of "childishness", wether justified or not, is insulting, and hence against message board rules.
I really should do something about this signature.
By 'hard data' I mean damage, recharge etc of each power. Something we don't have.
Having just read through this thread there was one bit of info that was entirely new to me - that we can't respec out of PPPs???
Do anyone have an official source on that, as I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere, but it is perfectly possible that I have just missed it
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Having just read through this thread there was one bit of info that was entirely new to me - that we can't respec out of PPPs???
Do anyone have an official source on that, as I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere, but it is perfectly possible that I have just missed it
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it is plenty official.
We will be able to respec out of indiviual powers, but once we pick a patron, that choice is for life.
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By 'hard data' I mean damage, recharge etc of each power. Something we don't have.
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I serious aggree on this point, all PPP's look most similair to CoH epic powers. If some have (like CoH) recharge upto 60 seconds or a serious stupid damage... Or pets that are serious 'lousy' in battle (like the Mu lt you get as temp pet in 1 of the low-lvl missions, his damage is lousy and he run out of end in no time).
But thats why we got a test-server right? 
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By 'hard data' I mean damage, recharge etc of each power. Something we don't have.
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I serious aggree on this point, all PPP's look most similair to CoH epic powers. If some have (like CoH) recharge upto 60 seconds or a serious stupid damage... Or pets that are serious 'lousy' in battle (like the Mu lt you get as temp pet in 1 of the low-lvl missions, his damage is lousy and he run out of end in no time).
But thats why we got a test-server right?
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it is plenty official.
We will be able to respec out of indiviual powers, but once we pick a patron, that choice is for life.
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Ok - could you (or someone else) please point to official source then? I would genuinely like to see this
I have been able to find mention of "permanent part of character" in this article but whether is is REALLY permanent or can be respecced out as can the APPs in CoH there is no mention of.
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It's really not as simple as "let's let them respec it!"
Since Patron sets are tied to Contacts you receive, you get the set of the Contact you choose. We'd need to add a bunch of technology to take away access to Contacts (something we don't do currently), to make sure you couldn't end up with multiple Patron Pools.
We have talked about it though, and are not through talking about it either.
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So you can only go 1 way in the contacts? Or just go do each contact as you go? If you would have several PPP contacts, wouldnt be that impossible to make PPP's respecable?
I still wonder about the pet, i gues he takes some aggro away wich would have rather been wacking you for the fury. (or was it controllable like a MM pet?)
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Doesn't bother me at all, the alpha strike gives me full fury, what happens after that matters not, my attacks allow me to keep it
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"