The single target attack powers are fairly fast animation AFAIK, and unlike some people think, ranged attacks can also be used in melee 
Also, AoE's for a brute? Any AoE damage for brute is awesome.
As for the pet... I think they can make it work so that it WILL increase your fury.
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I doubt that, Dom pets don't increase Domination and Fury builds lightning fast compared to Domination.
I was as disappointed with the Dom Patron Powers as the Brutes' ones; the last thing I want with my Dom is another (probably almost useless) pet, more attacks which I don't have endurance for, and AoE attacks, which of course will be pretty wimpy. Brutes will get a lot of value out of the AoEs since they'll pump the damage up.
I'm looking forward to getting a couple of ranged attacks myself.
I want the two new AoE's more than anything else, I feel like an AoE king already, I want to be an AoE God though. Rest assured my ranged AoEs wont be used at range.
Going Elec to crash graphics cards of my team mate (along with my fire and dark)
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
AoE immob for something like Burn and your laughing! 
AoE imob so I can be sure of a nice group for Dark Regen
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I am really (really, really) looking forward to an AoE immob and attack. With fury it will be great.
Dead Calm's Defender Manifesto
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After all, I see no reason in PVE to take ranged attacks. Sure a minor accuracy debuff done by gloom might be "okay" if you can spare the slots and endurance to bother with it, if you're already high def. Mu lightning might be "okay" depending on the endurance stolen (i.e. if you can use it to help high endurance use from lots of toggles running while tanking). The web grenade from the scorpion pool might be okay. For. Uh... ... Well it might be okay for the recharge, I guess, if you're trying to tank a really scary AV for the team, or something.
But none of them really help us brutes be better brutes. The only reason I can see why anyone would be excited by the PPPs personally is either concept or PVP. After all brutes DO lack ranged attacks in PVP. And they don't get pets either to run interference (only bad in PVE since they steal fury). Or control to stop someone running away in many cases.
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So why do many Scrappers, the CoH AT most similar to Brutes, take ranged attacks from their Epic Pools? To catch runners, pull mobs etc.
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I dunno. I'm just very dissapointed. The PPPs don't generally do things I really need like:
- Raise my resists even higher
- Raise my defense higher
- Help with endurance drain when running all my toggles (unless I'm VERY wrong about the end boost provided by Mu Lightning)
- Kill things better/faster
- Raise my accuracy (and something like focussed accuracy could mean one less acc enhance slot to fill with dam, recharge or endredux)
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None of the Tanker and Scrapper epics have resist and defence boosts so I don't see why you're complaining. And how can AoEs do nothing BUT kill things better and faster?
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I'm a Brute so obviously what I want to do is:
- Control (really BADLY at that, immobs are the most scorned powers of controllers and doms, and AFAIK we don't even get a hold which may have actually BEEN USEFUL)
- Fight at range
- Fight at range s'more with AoEs
- Have a pet to steal my fury
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My fire/fire brute will probably love the AoE immob, combine that with Burn and the I7 changes to pseudo-pet damage he will be even more uber. And see above about ranged attacks and AoEs.
How do you even know the pet will steal your Fury? Have you played with the PPPs yet? No. Have the devs said anything about pets stealing Fury? No. So stop whining until you actually play the sets. All this hyperbole and hysteria over the PPPs sometimes makes me wish they hadn't released the set details before I7 hits test.
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I doubt that, Dom pets don't increase Domination and Fury builds lightning fast compared to Domination.
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Just because the Dominator pets don't increase Domination doens't mean Brute pets won't increase Fury.
Well Jack Frost practically doubled my doms damage output, so I am quite happy to have another one like that. I can send my pets away and beat some poor minion to a pulp with my fists if I need to get domination up.
As for a Brute pet, it's probably a case of try it and see what effect it has on your fury bar (probably will have an adverse effect solo but not be noticable in a team, I'm pretty sure pet attacks wont build fury).
However an aoe is great for a Brute, as is any ranged power with -fly.
I really should do something about this signature.
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How do you even know the pet will steal your Fury? Have you played with the PPPs yet? No. Have the devs said anything about pets stealing Fury? No. So stop whining until you actually play the sets.
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This is about pets in general diverting aggro (like MM pets) nothing special about it. If information about these powers is released early I don't see why responding to them is so awful. Why shouldn't players voice what they want?
Because it's pointless making decisions and complaints on sets that haven't yet been played by anyone?
It's not about pets in general diverting aggro, how do you know that they won't introduce a system where attacks against your pet and attacks your pet does add to your own Fury?
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Because it's pointless making decisions and complaints on sets that haven't yet been played by anyone?
It's not about pets in general diverting aggro, how do you know that they won't introduce a system where attacks against your pet and attacks your pet does add to your own Fury?
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I think a lot of players plan their toons ahead of time and since we don't get to change patrons, you either wait weeks/months for other players to report back...or you start speculating on the information that's out there. Besides, if people didn't use the the forum for whining no one would post.
I don't know that such a system won't be introduced, but let's pause for a moment and think how barmy that would be... 
The fact that pets divert aggro away from Brutes *is* an issue though which makes Brute pets seem like an odd idea.
The system is different to what happens ingame at the moment but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's 'barmy'...
It will take far less than months for people to report back on the PPPs. First of all it will be on Test for at least 2 weeks so people will be able to experiment with the different pools (especially in the US). I also expect there will be level bumps on Test so that all of the content can be tested to make sure it works right.
As other brutes dont lower my brutes Fury, I doubt a squishy pet will
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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As other brutes dont lower my brutes Fury, I doubt a squishy pet will
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If you being attacked raises your Fury, then you not being attacked will result in a slower Fury build up.
Remember you can build Fury by attacking too...
Will be going with ghost widow BURN AND TENTACLES FTW. Can't wait. Plus would imagine fury will ramp up glooms damage and IMO it does about 2/3 DOT damage of moonbeam on my dark defender as it is.
DD
FireKitty, I'd just like to say that your inability to realize that a lot people plan their characters ahead of time, and often do it very well "without having used the powers", is at least mildly irritating.
What I find worse is that instead of you attacking my negative points about the PPPs you've decided to attack me personally. That's very bad form, in case you weren't aware. In a thread where I wanted to poll how everyone else feels about this and maybe see if I was wrong, no less.
I'm sure though this post will also be interpreted as an attack and you'll accuse me of baseless whining some more and infer that I'm somehow too dumb to plan ahead, again. If you liked the PPPs that much, you could've just said so, cause that's what the thread is for.
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FireKitty, I'd just like to say that your inability to realize that a lot people plan their characters ahead of time, and often do it very well "without having used the powers", is at least mildly irritating.
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Inability? No where did I even mention planning characters ahead of time! I'll add here that I also plan characters in advance, but there is a difference - in CoV, no one has any idea what the content is like for the 40-50 level range, what types of enemies you'll face and the exact details of the powers (yes, we've had a description of each power but no hard data).
In CoH and CoV currently you can plan a character ahead of time as you know what to expect from the game and the planner programs have lots of information about powers which we currently haven't got. You also have the advantage of playing with other characters that might have the powers and sets you are planning to get, so you can see how they look, work and when they are best suited to be used.
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What I find worse is that instead of you attacking my negative points about the PPPs you've decided to attack me personally. That's very bad form, in case you weren't aware. In a thread where I wanted to poll how everyone else feels about this and maybe see if I was wrong, no less.
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Next time I post I shall check it with you to check if it is 'bad form' or not - seeing as you're the expert.
If you read my post all but the last paragraph was doing exactly what you asked - countering your argument about why the PPPs are 'useless'. The last paragraph was just showing my fustration at people who judge powers and changes before they even get onto Test.
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I'm sure though this post will also be interpreted as an attack and you'll accuse me of baseless whining some more and infer that I'm somehow too dumb to plan ahead, again. If you liked the PPPs that much, you could've just said so, cause that's what the thread is for.
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Well not really, as in this post you weren't whining at all. However, you were in the original post. I'm reserving my judgement on the PPPs until I get a chance to actually see them in action.
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AoE immob for something like Burn and your laughing!
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dont forget the added text in the description of burn ; "removes imobilization effects on your target"
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dont forget the added text in the description of burn ; "removes imobilization effects on your target"
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Nope, it removes immobilization effects from you.
If the pet does enough damage to steal agro from me, then it wont matter that it's stealing fury as it one and two shots my oponents
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
If it worries you a taunt aura will probably prevent the mobs from going after your pet.
I really should do something about this signature.
Well, personally I think the brute PPPs are the worst of them all.
I mean. Compared to the EPPs scrappers and tankers get which actually can help make them "godly" from simply "uber", since their EPPs let them specialize in various ways the PPPs only seem good if you are okay with diverging from the role for which you picked your AT to begin with, and thoroughly enjoy PVP.
After all, I see no reason in PVE to take ranged attacks. Sure a minor accuracy debuff done by gloom might be "okay" if you can spare the slots and endurance to bother with it, if you're already high def. Mu lightning might be "okay" depending on the endurance stolen (i.e. if you can use it to help high endurance use from lots of toggles running while tanking). The web grenade from the scorpion pool might be okay. For. Uh... ... Well it might be okay for the recharge, I guess, if you're trying to tank a really scary AV for the team, or something.
But none of them really help us brutes be better brutes. The only reason I can see why anyone would be excited by the PPPs personally is either concept or PVP. After all brutes DO lack ranged attacks in PVP. And they don't get pets either to run interference (only bad in PVE since they steal fury). Or control to stop someone running away in many cases.
I wouldn't know about PVP personally, I prefer not to do much of it. I can say though that the only reason I am vaguely considering taking any PPP power is because I'm a granite brute with SS and basically have nothing better to do with my last two powerslots anyhow.
I figure anyone with a more fleshed out secondary where you need to take more primary/secondary powers looking to PVE and be a brute won't be very thrilled. Am I wrong here?
I dunno. I'm just very dissapointed. The PPPs don't generally do things I really need like:
- Raise my resists even higher
- Raise my defense higher
- Help with endurance drain when running all my toggles (unless I'm VERY wrong about the end boost provided by Mu Lightning)
- Kill things better/faster
- Raise my accuracy (and something like focussed accuracy could mean one less acc enhance slot to fill with dam, recharge or endredux)
Since my other serious villain character is a dominator, let's run through her PPP choices, which includes things like:
- Defense vs certain damage which is good since squishies like to get less squishy and not faceplant unexpectedly
- Resist vs certain damage, as above
- A little bit of extra control to stack onto what she has
- A little bit of extra damage to stack onto what she has
- More pets
- Endurance stealing powers which help with endurance (and I'm talking about AoE powers like Dark Consumption and Ball Lightning here, not the single target quite possibly flimsy end steal we get on Mu Lightning)
Sorry about going on a ramble here, but what were they thinking?!
I'm a Brute so obviously what I want to do is:
- Control (really BADLY at that, immobs are the most scorned powers of controllers and doms, and AFAIK we don't even get a hold which may have actually BEEN USEFUL)
- Fight at range
- Fight at range s'more with AoEs
- Have a pet to steal my fury
Gah. Just gah. I'm not going to take a PPP, and pray to god that this changes, though with the whole "you can never spec out of your PPP" I doubt it will.