I can't say I've noticed any major shift in the in-game community in the past few weeks, but then again, I rarely interact with the community at large outside of major events like Hami raids and tend to mostly stick with my supergroup friends and a few others (because I'm an introverted kind of guy). If the game community is affecting your enjoyment of the game so much perhaps it would be a good idea to take a break for a while?
Defiant 50�s: Generalissimo, Righteous Bob, Splortch, Brutus Cayuga
Union 50's: Chimera Obscura, Diet Anthracite, Grim Proctologist, Puny Little Minion, Raging Bitumen
In Soviet Russia, mission farm you!
Spot on Lode....agreed.
As with Generalissimo_2 I spend most of my time now solo or more often than not teaming only with my SG friends. Many a time now someone asks if they can join us and I have to say 'sorry SG only'. That's not to be spiteful, I am just happy with the close group I have, and know them all so well and know they are great players, like a little family.
I know many people outside the SG and talk with them a lot, but I don't team with them hardly ever.
If your having problems at the moment, or if certain people are bothering you and it's affecting your gameplay perhaps taking a break would be a good idea. Just because you leave doesn't mean you can't come back and from my own experience taking a break was the best thing I could have done.
Or, just simply avoid those that are causing the problem. I did try and team outside of my SG with some low level characters recently on about 4-5 teams, and with each I got what you mentioned, so stick with SG only really now. There are some rude players out there, but don't let it affect your game, as there are still LOADS of nice players out there to.
Just chill, play and enjoy ur game experience 
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Not so good advice 
Defiant 50�s: Generalissimo, Righteous Bob, Splortch, Brutus Cayuga
Union 50's: Chimera Obscura, Diet Anthracite, Grim Proctologist, Puny Little Minion, Raging Bitumen
In Soviet Russia, mission farm you!
Still tons of fun! Happy happy joy joy FTW!
Hey, don't let it get you down... the thing with these MMO's are that they're basically a cross-section of humanity, which means that you'll get all the annoying bits, too - elitists, clique-builders, arrogant louts, ignorants, straightforward [censored]-holes, and jerk-hackers...
As in real life, all you can really do is ignore and avoid them. Let 'em annoy each other to death. I've run into my share of idiots in the game, but afterwards, I always just think "Screw them, I'm gonna log on with my scrapper and solo for a bit to cool down - then I'm gonna find another team and see if my luck isn't better."
In the end, I doubt any kind of player actions could drive me from this game - one thing I've learned from life is that you can't let others push you around... once you start, it'll never stop. Now, DEV decisions, THOSE could make me leave...
Hey Lode...
My advice to you would be to team up with your friends, the ones that enjoy your company and you theirs or even try and make new ones. Go back to basics, remember when you first played the game? there were no "famous" people that you knew about and you enjoyed the game for what it was? Just a fun game!
Forget about the cliques! get back to basics and enjoy the game or take a break and try again, but seems you had your fair shares of breaks already. If peeps are inconsidered and lack manners or stuck up on cliques well they just aint worth the time or effort and that goes even if your one the most well known 'names' in the community
Just my 2cp
Hope you find the fun you're looking for Lodestar!
Well i tend to agree with you on this lodestar in that cliques have formed and some players attitudes seem to get worse by the week.
For me this has forced me to team with sg and close friends only due to the attitude of some of the pick up teams ive been on.
But there are still a few nice/good players out there so i hope you can try to put all the nasty bits of the community behind you and stay with us, it would be a shame if yet another long time player leaves.
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Absolutly agree 100%
Just dont let others spoil your fun, and definatly do not leave somthing you enjoy doing, because of them!
Sadly some of you are missing the point or forgetting a long running thread that I made about my problems with my PC putting me out of game for days and weeks at a time since xmas. I couldnt plan more time off if I tried. And ironically I notice upon return as I did tonight after a week of being out due to PC issues it grated on my nerves right off the bat.
Since the weeks running up to xmas and now Ive had well over a month out in total including a two week break and when I came back from that did I see a difference. Let me also point out Sars return thread in which he states after being away for 3 months he can see the community gone a bit South.
I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.
It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat. When I stopped talking not a word was said. Teams were getting formed and mutual friends of mine were getting on those teams and not a word to me. My tells were getting ignored and on one occaision within seconds I saw the recipent of that tell chat away to someone on a public channel. And wasnt long ago I was solo and needed to get on someones team. I asked on coalition and not a word.
As I say not nice or polite. But worst of all in my eyes not honest. I have more respect for a certain blasters behaviour than this. And as Im increasingly finding out. Its not just me. Thats not to say my experiances are not forced to be the same as everyone elses.
All I can say is that if people have problems wih a certain player its surely best laid out clearly. We all know where we stand then. Or is it time for the men in white coats to start shouting "Doctor, hes getting out of bed and walking around again. Quick more sedative!"?
Hi Lode
Well you know my feelings on this, as we had a chat last night. But to re-iterate my feelings on my thread yesterday, I feel exactly the same, as I'd noticed it myself, independantly, so it must be happening.
The community has taken a downturn for the worse since I took my break 4 months ago, just prior to I6 coming in. It seems less friendly than before, and people are more willing to jump down people's throats nowadays, which definitely wasn't the case before CoV came out.
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You are not the alone in that. During the last year a lot of really good people left the game or went on a break which is a shame but unfortunately irl caught up with them.I miss EK (first name to pop in mind as i chat to him on msn) and a lot more everyday. Thankfully we keep contact outside this game too.
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I have eluded to people before on these forums becoming increasingly cliquey. And I rather wanted to see evidence of the contrary. Fact is its getting worse. Unless you are in one of these cliques. And Im not the only one to notice. If I were Id ut it down to paranoia or backstabbing at my expense and on the latter it still may well be.
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Here is where i start to disagree at some point.First of all cliques within a forum is kinda hard to form up especially when the forum relies on debate and presenting arguements to what you have to say regarding the issues raised. As far as within the game goes depends what you call cliques. As you notice most people posting here they clearly state that they stick with SG avoid pugs and generally stick where they feel comfortable with. This can be called clique. You have to remember that the more you know a certain group of people and more time you spend with them the more bonded you get and this is how human nature is.
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I find the worst part of this is its from some of the players you would expect more from.
I could name names and instances but Im not going to. First of all its not my way and as we know its against forum rules anyway. Its got so bad that each time I come back form breaks due to PC not working I wonder wh I bothered. And tonight after another week it was much the same.
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You are not really clear to what situations you refer to but from my point of view why expect anything from anyone. You are here to have fun and escape and thats about it. You need a team just put a shout out i know a ton of people out there that would team with you in a sec as you are one of the decent persons around good fun and helpful.I know i would at least.
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The other week I was finding excuses not to log on. I got to the login screen and couldnt enter game. Peoples attitudes are frankly spoiling mine and other peoples enjoyment I spoke to. I avoid community events now and stayed away from the Valentine party becuase of it. I was there for 5 mins and it reminded me just whats wrong with the community lately.
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I am sorry but i dunno how the Valentine Event is combined to all this because this sounds like the community events are no longer worth attending to from what you say. A community event is a gathering of people where people you not like might be there. Thats doesnt mean your fun will be spoiled.Just relax and enjoy i not see how all this is connected to community events.Feel free to pm me though or we can chat it out in game.
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I cant explain how its happened or why. But all I can say its that two weeks ago every day I came to these forums I wrote my leaving post and edited it before coming back in and giving it a chance. I have had some great fun with The Forgotten Warriors lately and I decided to just try and get on but not long after Im back thinking perhaps I should go.
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My opinion is that you shouldnt go. Instead i think you should give a try to what you had asked me sometime ago via a pm and if you want catch me in game to chat about it tonight. I am sure you will get a lot of fun from it and i am pretty sure u ll do great. Leaving something you like is not a solution really.
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In the end its not the nerfs or the devs decisions which I so passionately objected to that are the turning pint. Its the current sate of the players that is driving me away. Hell even tonight I dropped from a team I was in due to technical error. And when I spoke to two members of the team they logged minutes later without so much as a goodnight and thanks for the team. Basic manners and consideration seem to have gone out the window.
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Well it all depends to who you team with.This is one of the reasons cliques are formed because you become friends with some people team relaly often,hang out and share opinions and in the end of the day you know you cant go wrong with them.
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I know people are not going to like to read this or simply dismiss this. Well especially if they are in a clique themselves. But I stand my ground. Its getting worse by the week.
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Defiant has gone through many changes right after ED and CoV launch. I had same discussion with Silver weasel the other day and it seems its same on Union. Mainly when CoV was introduced a whole new breed of players droppped in this game making the whole place shift. What i mean by that is there has been an increase in terms of abuse and harassment as well as an increase in harsh in game situations. This is one of the reasons you see these cliques in game as well. People dont easily go in pug teams now and prefer the established circles of coalition/global channels for teaming and having fun. And this is the change you actually see regarding Defiant since it was quite different before.
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I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.
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Hmmmm this is really situational..i got currently a full global friends list and i use it mainly to look up people i need to talk to etc.I always say hi in 4 different channels so i not leave anyone outside rather than sending tells etc and from that point on people can see i am online and send me tells.Thats of course the way i go.
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It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat. When I stopped talking not a word was said. Teams were getting formed and mutual friends of mine were getting on those teams and not a word to me. My tells were getting ignored and on one occaision within seconds I saw the recipent of that tell chat away to someone on a public channel. And wasnt long ago I was solo and needed to get on someones team. I asked on coalition and not a word.
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the first part sounds really familiar i seen it before.All you got to do is not let things like this get to you.For coalition chat since the Warriors are on coalition with us all i can say for sure is i know that usually in coal chat when someone asks a team and there is no space or nothing really going on there is usually silence.Its not like noone wants you on team.At least thats how i see it.As for the global chat channels i know many people that while missioning turn the global tabs off.At least i do usually due to my current UI arrangement.
Point is just chill back enjoy and have fun thats what you are here for And catch me in game or via pm to chat about the Evo thingy if you are still interested. Cheer up is not all gone to teh Americans yet
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Hi Lode
Well you know my feelings on this, as we had a chat last night. But to re-iterate my feelings on my thread yesterday, I feel exactly the same, as I'd noticed it myself, independantly, so it must be happening.
The community has taken a downturn for the worse since I took my break 4 months ago, just prior to I6 coming in. It seems less friendly than before, and people are more willing to jump down people's throats nowadays, which definitely wasn't the case before CoV came out.
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Like i said on my above post CoV brought a major shift in the game.Combine the ED that simply gave a hard blow to this community with many members simply giving up you can see the reason behind this obvious change that is no secret for quite some time now.
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I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.
It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat.
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I can't talk about the community as I'm relativitly new and I don't take part in any community events but I'm one of those people that doesn't talk to my global friends list very often. I log on, say hi on coalition and hi to one or two of my friends list I do talk to more often (not all I say hi to are global friends odly) and then start soloing, joining a team if I get an invite. I don't mean anything cliquey by it cause I'm not talking to that many people and I'm not forming teams so I'm not ignoring people on my friends list while doing that.
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I have eluded to people before on these forums becoming increasingly cliquey. And I rather wanted to see evidence of the contrary. Fact is its getting worse. Unless you are in one of these cliques. And Im not the only one to notice. If I were Id ut it down to paranoia or backstabbing at my expense and on the latter it still may well be.
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Here is where i start to disagree at some point.First of all cliques within a forum is kinda hard to form up especially when the forum relies on debate and presenting arguements to what you have to say regarding the issues raised. As far as within the game goes depends what you call cliques. As you notice most people posting here they clearly state that they stick with SG avoid pugs and generally stick where they feel comfortable with. This can be called clique. You have to remember that the more you know a certain group of people and more time you spend with them the more bonded you get and this is how human nature is.
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I've seen lots of message boards form cliques where new posters just won't get much or any responce from the regulars or where every thread that does get responces is just the same people talking or joking with each other.
I haven't seen this here and have found the board the board very helpfull when I've posted asking questions. The one exception being the suggestions part of the board where people can be pretty rude if it is a suggestion that has come up alot in the past.
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CoH community still stands out as one of the best out there. The people that compose this place are pretty unique and although we have our ups and downs and clashes and sometimes a fair share of mishaps its still friendly and pleasent to hang around here. Yes there are the usual lurkers like Wingy and FFM and many many more but the usual tone is very good debate and joking around with people that are from a different server and u not see at in game. This is where everyone meets up when they are supposed to work. No profanity and always civilised (with the occasional mishaps ) is what clearly makes this place fun to hang around and useful. For 1 year now its been always fun on the boards even if game got hectic at times
I agree with you here TG since cov went live it does seem the general feeling of community that we once had has taken a dive.
To many times now you see flaming and swearing on the broadcast chat in atlas,pvp zones to name just a few.
Its a real shame to as it use to be the case you could log in and get tells from friends for teams right away or you could join in some friendly banter in atlas,
But there are a few people who are trying to keep community spirt up and fare play to them for trying.
Hey, there may be several real life issues your friends are involved with, not much else is needed for chats to go quiet. Especially if the amount of people you know is small. I have had this happen to me on several occasions but eventually chats have opened again and we have had quality time together.
It helps that we have our own forum for the coalition to use where we can post info when we arent online much or something is bugging us. Like me, month ago bathroom in my apartment went under repair and I have moved away from my home and hence being offline most of the past month (and frequenting the boards as a result ).
In our coalition we try to keep each other informed about how things are in real life so misunderstandings can be avoided.
Its propably a statistical fact that coalitions will sometimes go pretty quiet for days, who knows what has happened. It is pretty paranoid to think that its because of *you*. I know, Im a paranoid person. 
Just give it some time and try to organise play sessions where you can ask your friends how things are.
PS. The community as a *whole* is an altogether different matter. I know that the defiant big photgraphic session some time ago didnt go quite so smoothly as in stories. I wasnt there personally but I know several of our coalition members got seriously [censored] about it. Some people are more sensitive than others, thats a fact. So I hope everybody remembers that and can make compromises in what they say aloud..
PPS. For global friends, it might be a good idea to create your very own global channel, invite your friends to it which you could then use as means of communication. Its much much better than communicating by tells, I tell you. Not so difficult to start a conversation.
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I agree with you here TG since cov went live it does seem the general feeling of community that we once had has taken a dive.
To many times now you see flaming and swearing on the broadcast chat in atlas,pvp zones to name just a few.
Its a real shame to as it use to be the case you could log in and get tells from friends for teams right away or you could join in some friendly banter in atlas,
But there are a few people who are trying to keep community spirt up and fare play to them for trying.
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This is the basic reason why cliquing as you call it goes on right now within the server. People dont want the few hours that come to escape and have fun to be ruined with profanity and abuse and harassment that spits out at occasions through the channels. Hence they maintain a tight circle of people they rely on to enjoy and keep having fun. The whole community spirit is still there but it has been somewhat erm spoiled i think is word by the shift that took place sometime ago.
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I very much doubt that PHEP figures very large on anyone's list of cliques (or even anyone's list of supergroups) on Defiant
Defiant 50�s: Generalissimo, Righteous Bob, Splortch, Brutus Cayuga
Union 50's: Chimera Obscura, Diet Anthracite, Grim Proctologist, Puny Little Minion, Raging Bitumen
In Soviet Russia, mission farm you!
I should probably cl;ear up one quote that is beiong misunderstood and missused. Now thats not anyones fault. Its me I left a word out being the [censored] I am. When I say I have pointeout cliques on these forums I mean. I have posted on the forums about INGAME cliques. Thats my error entirely.
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I should probably cl;ear up one quote that is beiong misunderstood and missused. Now thats not anyones fault. Its me I left a word out being the [censored] I am. When I say I have pointeout cliques on these forums I mean. I have posted on the forums about INGAME cliques. Thats my error entirely.
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Ooooh ok!! sorries there but you know being Greek and all doesnt gimme the best comprehension at times
I have thought hard before posting on this thread, as I too have felt a shift in the community in the last few months. Not within our SG and coalition, its stronger than ever but the general community has deteriorated sharply.
I actively avoid Atlas Park these days as the spamming and language is quite frankly disgusting, and asking politely for people to stop results in more abuse. I also play on hide these days as constantly being asked for teams by players 8-10 levels lower than me and then getting abuse for refusing to team with them is an irritation I can do without.
I am happy to team with anyone that asks politely and is in the right level range, but being barraged with abuse is something else.
Arena chat is another case in point, the abuse of the channel and constant flaming and language is unacceptable, and as I have stated before I have it permantly disabled as spending all night petitioning people for EULA breaches is not my idea of fun.
Making this community a better place is ALL players responsibility, and maybe by treating other players with the respect you would expect yourself and consistantly petitioning "bad apples" would go a long way to making Defiant a better place to be. We are all equals in this community, this used to give me great pride that I was part of a truely homogenous group of people, and this has now sadly disappeared.
Lets start working to make Defiant a better place to be!
Jacks
Jackie Sparrow Defiant Goonie!
I want to be the minority
I don't need your authority
Down with the moral majority
'Cause I want to be the minority
- Green Day
Well I put this off for a long time knowing only too well something as wrong but also knowing the person who raised it publicly would run the risk of being branded an ogre. Its a risk Ill just have to take.
Over the last few weeks I have seen alot of good quality people leave and I have sincerely missed them. Im still left with a few good quality people around. But sad to say Im supprised at some peoples behaviour lately. I have eluded to people before on these forums becoming increasingly cliquey. And I rather wanted to see evidence of the contrary. Fact is its getting worse. Unless you are in one of these cliques. And Im not the only one to notice. If I were Id ut it down to paranoia or backstabbing at my expense and on the latter it still may well be.
I find the worst part of this is its from some of the players you would expect more from.
I could name names and instances but Im not going to. First of all its not my way and as we know its against forum rules anyway. Its got so bad that each time I come back form breaks due to PC not working I wonder wh I bothered. And tonight after another week it was much the same.
The other week I was finding excuses not to log on. I got to the login screen and couldnt enter game. Peoples attitudes are frankly spoiling mine and other peoples enjoyment I spoke to. I avoid community events now and stayed away from the Valentine party becuase of it. I was there for 5 mins and it reminded me just whats wrong with the community lately.
I cant explain how its happened or why. But all I can say its that two weeks ago every day I came to these forums I wrote my leaving post and edited it before coming back in and giving it a chance. I have had some great fun with The Forgotten Warriors lately and I decided to just try and get on but not long after Im back thinking perhaps I should go.
In the end its not the nerfs or the devs decisions which I so passionately objected to that are the turning pint. Its the current sate of the players that is driving me away. Hell even tonight I dropped from a team I was in due to technical error. And when I spoke to two members of the team they logged minutes later without so much as a goodnight and thanks for the team. Basic manners and consideration seem to have gone out the window.
I know people are not going to like to read this or simply dismiss this. Well especially if they are in a clique themselves. But I stand my ground. Its getting worse by the week.