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The community as a whole is currently on a PuG doing Frostfire, not giving a monkeys about who said what about who, what epic AT they are going to use come I14, or whether fezzes will ever be included as a costume option (well possibly not that. Everyone wants fezzes), and they are having a blast not worrying about such stuff. I'd hartily recommend joining them occasionally, as it is jolly good fun.
I have completely forgotten where I was going with all this, so for now I shall stop.
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next time plz put a warning with big letters!! "Caution potential spitting of coke coming on" 
DC says it all in his own dead calm way and i am 100% in the same lines as far as my opinion goes
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In all honesty, some of the people who have expressed a preference here towards tending to team within their supergroup have sold themselves a little short. One of the posters here invited me to the Synapse taskforce. I'm not in his supergroup, & we're more loose friends in that we've never actually teamed on missions before, to my recollection, but we've talked a whole bunch of times, done some pvp with/against each other, I've asked advice etc & I think we know we're both pretty good players & fun (I hope).
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I invited you because it would be fun, we hadnt teamed in missions together plus when i skimmed my global friends list for badge whores and solo people you were there so i thought you might want join in 
a tell never goes amiss.
I just wanted to put my 2 cents worth on all this,,, (why not im quiet and shy most of the time)....
I tend to solo a lot in this game and being a tank it can be slow. I dont do it because i find ppl irritating, in fact most of the players i meet are great! I just do it because i want to.
Now i was ina SG but quit recently as some of the better players left the game. We never teamed just as a SG. 2 or 3 of us would joina PUG and help each other out, no clique there just friends playing alone side strangers but all working toghther.
Now latley i've started to join some PUGs again, I get the occasional tell, which if im in the middle of a mission i'll refuse POLITELY, if not i consider joining the group depending on the mission. Im starting to team with the same ppl a bit probably because they've seen me play and dont mind me casual style (was called weird other night, maybe that is why) so keep askin me. I find most players would rather team with those they know and get along with. But isnt that the same in RL? We'd all rather work or spend time with ppl we know and get a long with than pure strangers???
As for a problem with defient... I have not really had any run ins with any players in game. I had a lil misunderstanding with somone in my SG but that was sorted and soemone (wont mention his name) called me a stupid idiot for not wanting to team with 50's on mission to get the XP even tho i was in middle of one of my story arc missions, but agian not a big deal. On the whole i find players on defiant polite, fun and enjoyable to team with!!
Ok so maybe thats more than 2 cents worth,,, i'll write you an IOU a week next tuesday for a hamburger today.
HAVE FUN PLAY NICE AND DONT DO WHAT I WOULDNT DO!!!
TECHNOSTONE 39 Stone/stone tank.. goes by the name of snail
I'll team with almost anyone...but I'm just needy Lodey get your [censored] out of Atlas & come play with me <erm....not literally> and we can start our own clique up, wonder around looking important & all 50like & occassionally drop some influence on a newbie...just cos we can 
Seriously, there will always be cliques, people will always not talk to you at some point and the game has enough idiots to go round that you'll always team with one or two...you can't help it! <usually on Frostfire, usually with more pool powers than AT powers 
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Anyway stop getting upset about it, get out there and get some new buddies if the old ones have gone stale but most importantly HAVE FUN
The Good:
Krazy Mary L50 Kinetic defender
Uniqua L31 PeaceBringer
Black Annis L24 Warshade
Krystal L18 Ice Blaster
The Bad:
Frenzi L34 SS/Inv Brute
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I actively avoid Atlas Park these days as the spamming and language is quite frankly disgusting, and asking politely for people to stop results in more abuse. I also play on hide these days as constantly being asked for teams by players 8-10 levels lower than me and then getting abuse for refusing to team with them is an irritation I can do without.
I am happy to team with anyone that asks politely and is in the right level range, but being barraged with abuse is something else.
Arena chat is another case in point, the abuse of the channel and constant flaming and language is unacceptable, and as I have stated before I have it permantly disabled as spending all night petitioning people for EULA breaches is not my idea of fun.
Making this community a better place is ALL players responsibility, and maybe by treating other players with the respect you would expect yourself and consistantly petitioning "bad apples" would go a long way to making Defiant a better place to be. We are all equals in this community, this used to give me great pride that I was part of a truely homogenous group of people, and this has now sadly disappeared.
Lets start working to make Defiant a better place to be!
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I appreciate that /petitioning isn't great fun, but it is the way that you can put a stop to abusive language and other unpleasant behaviour.
A /petition reporting this kind of thing doesn't have to be particularly long or detailed - just give the character names(s) and a brief sentence or two describing what they're doing. Make sure you /petition immediately following the incident, as this makes it easier for the GMs to find the right place in the logs.
The more /petitions our GMs receive, the more they can do to put a stop to any unpleasantness.
Thanks.
i thought you were on Holiday!!!!
Quick! Someone tie him up and throw him onto the plane!
I know this may offend some people so please don't take this as an invitation to flame but I do know what you mean and would suggest that maybe a change of server could help?
I started out on Defiant and still have a few alts there but after a couple of months playing the game, I switched to Union and have to say that I've never looked back. Maybe this is generalising but, while I wouldn't use the word 'clique', Defiant does seem to attract a different breed of player.
I've found that on Defiant, there are a lot more what I would call hard core power gamers. The phrase 'pressure cooker' springs to mind and a 'work hard, play hard' mentality. Union on the other hand, maybe because it's the unofficial RP server, seems to attract the more relaxed player.
On the other hand, I have recently ventured onto Defiant a little more for a simple reason. It's all new.
Knowing very few people on there and starting a new alt from level 1 has livened up my appreciation of the game as I don't have a successful SG on there to guarantee me teams, don't have all my excellent coalition buddies and so on. It has been a little frustrating teaming from level 1 due to the 'noob' factor involved but it's also been quite nice being forced to start from scratch again.
This has basically led me back to getting much of the enjoyment from the early days of the game and if you're not quite ready to quit the game, I can recomend rolling a level 1 on a new server. I can even help out if you do jump to Union as the last 4 months of my playing time on there have seen the community being what's keeping me going, rather than the game itself.
That aside, I've been playing CoH since day one and during that time I've been forced to take 2 prolonged breaks, one around ED time of about 6 weeks and another one mid January of a month which I've just returned from. Both times I missed the game quite a bit, even though I had been feeling a little bored in the run up to them. The one thing I did learn is that returning from each break I saw players who I 'grew up' with in the game hade also got jaded and were leaving the game while each time I returned, my appetite for it was definitely re-charged. If not for those breaks, I think I would probably be cancelling my subscription about now but because of them I will certainly be around for another few months at least.
On the whole, I think a lot of the jadedness in the game at the moment was inevitable. All the 'day 1' players have been playing for a year now and new content has been minimal for CoH due to CoV and ED plus other 'balance vision' nerfs. This has led to many players leaving since the CoV launch and the servers on the whole being underpopulated as those on them play less or leave altogether and don't seem to be getting replaced(I would like to see server populations for today compared to 6 months ago).
Supergroup invite spam. A lot of newer players to the game will accept blind SG invites, and learn what passes for normal ingame from people who can be less than polite. Not meaning to be up on my high horse, but I used to think SG's that invite blindly deserve people that accept blind invites - changed my mind lately, however, as many new players simply do not know what basic courtesies used to be present server-wide and are now resigned to established SG's and private channels. There ARE good players coming into the game, of course (TANC has had the good fortune of coming across several of late), but oh so very many are snapped up by supergroups which simply do not deserve the title and are either put off the game or pick up bad manners.
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I know this may offend some people so please don't take this as an invitation to flame but I do know what you mean and would suggest that maybe a change of server could help?
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Also not wanting to offend here, just reporting my own personal (and limited) experiences -
I started playing on Defiant because the R/L friends who introduced me to CoH were on it. When they left the game and I found it getting increasingly hard to get teams I eventually decided to see if a change to Union might be better for me. Maybe I was just unlucky, or perhaps I didn't give it long enough, but personally I found it much harder (impossible) to get onto (or recruit, the only times I've ever really tried) even halfway decent teams there. After (enforced) soloing to L10 I packed it in when I got given Frostfire and couldn't get anyone to help me with it.
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Supergroup invite spam. A lot of newer players to the game will accept blind SG invites, and learn what passes for normal ingame from people who can be less than polite. Not meaning to be up on my high horse, but I used to think SG's that invite blindly deserve people that accept blind invites - changed my mind lately, however, as many new players simply do not know what basic courtesies used to be present server-wide and are now resigned to established SG's and private channels. There ARE good players coming into the game, of course (TANC has had the good fortune of coming across several of late), but oh so very many are snapped up by supergroups which simply do not deserve the title and are either put off the game or pick up bad manners.
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hehe blind invite = bad player, ILMAO
Actually been playin for a year and just recently accepted 2 blind sg invites
both been cool and friendly people and i would rather join these people
then ,
ingame you tell a player"blah blah blah help plz"
player resonse" what sg are you in"
me"huh sg name "
player "my advice is join good sg we have room if you want some help"
me " no chance freinds mean to much to me "
player"soz cant help you"
on several ocassions this has been done by people in well known sgs and indeed people who use the forums.
who then moan about blind invites!!!!
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Supergroup invite spam. A lot of newer players to the game will accept blind SG invites, and learn what passes for normal ingame from people who can be less than polite. Not meaning to be up on my high horse, but I used to think SG's that invite blindly deserve people that accept blind invites - changed my mind lately, however, as many new players simply do not know what basic courtesies used to be present server-wide and are now resigned to established SG's and private channels. There ARE good players coming into the game, of course (TANC has had the good fortune of coming across several of late), but oh so very many are snapped up by supergroups which simply do not deserve the title and are either put off the game or pick up bad manners.
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Good post and spot on Wilf
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Many a time now someone asks if they can join us and I have to say 'sorry SG only'. That's not to be spiteful, I am just happy with the close group I have, and know them all so well and know they are great players, like a little family.
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I think you'll find this is the very definition of "clique."
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Supergroup invite spam. A lot of newer players to the game will accept blind SG invites, and learn what passes for normal ingame from people who can be less than polite. Not meaning to be up on my high horse, but I used to think SG's that invite blindly deserve people that accept blind invites - changed my mind lately, however, as many new players simply do not know what basic courtesies used to be present server-wide and are now resigned to established SG's and private channels. There ARE good players coming into the game, of course (TANC has had the good fortune of coming across several of late), but oh so very many are snapped up by supergroups which simply do not deserve the title and are either put off the game or pick up bad manners.
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This is true. Also this is another indication of what goes on really on Defiant. Tanc is one of the oldest SG's just like the Femme Fatales and FW as well as PD's. They havent closed the doors to anyone and yet they invite people new to the game and try their best to make them feel comfortable and welcome. And they are not the only ones these are just the first examples that pop in my mind. Order of Crucified swords has been also one of the SG's that has been keeping the community flag regarding new players up since the day Plight created the SG. Backtracking the forums will show that to new players that asked for a place in this community on the forums there were always friendly posts from most SG's inviting them amongst their ranks and this still goes on. Yes there are SG's out there that make new players life a horror, yes there have been there since day 1. That doesnt mean anything since the majority in this community thrives for excellence and always tries its best as its pretty obvious from the posts around here and the discussions that go on on this subject within the server. The few exceptions thats try ruin the whole server spirit survive only for a little time and then they come to understand that in order to fit in this community they need to leave at the doorstep of the server any harassment,abuse,profanity they carry within them otherwise they are bound to be burried under petitions and be pointed as examples to be avoided.
I have a player in my SG that in the past there was an incident he had griefed in Peregrine island. For ages i held him in low regard till one day i actually sat down and talk to him as he asked to join our SG. After i explained him what he did wrong and he realised his mistake today he hasnt let out a single comment of abuse or profanity and treats everyone in the best possible way and we are actually proud of him cause he displays maturity beyond his age. I said last night in a convo i say it here again, i love this place feels like second home the day it will all be gone down the drain will be also the day i and i am sure most of the long term people here will be hanging the capes for good and setting off to new places.This community goes on live and strong just like day 1 it just has more to face everyday as its only natural due to the continuous evolvement of the game. The core of this community is growing as well though and simply keeps getting stronger and stronger. Without all this today this place would be down the drain already.
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Many a time now someone asks if they can join us and I have to say 'sorry SG only'. That's not to be spiteful, I am just happy with the close group I have, and know them all so well and know they are great players, like a little family.
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I think you'll find this is the very definition of "clique."
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No a Clique is a group of people that don't ever allow anyone else into their fold. A supergroup is a group of people that expands over time as they meet new people, make new friends.
Supergroups expands, Cliques don't or at least, rarely. Many times I go out on organised supergroup events, supergroup missions, to collect prestige for the group, and this usually consists of a full team of 8. While waiting for one of the group to get a mission from a contact you get someone saying 'can I join your team' to which I reply 'sorry 
but on a SG only team'.
One, most of the time there isn't room and two, even if there is it defeats the point of going on a 'supergroup' event if your letting other people into it who arn't in your supergroup.
Cliques are not supergroups, supergroups are not cliques. If i'm not on an organised supergroup mission then other people can join, but if I am on an organised supergroup mission or TF and someone wants to join and we say no sorry SG event only, does that make us a clique? No.
So I'm nearing ever so slowly my first lvl 50 charcter... by and large everyone I've met has been reasonably nice to me and relatively pleasant to be arround. I normally am prepared to take a chance on a blind invite with my lower level alts although after lvl 20 I really expect a tell first. I guess I probably stick within the Honourable United group a little too much but I've formed relation ships with most of the embers of my SG that I want to keep up with on a daily basis.
There is literally one player I WON'T team with it's not something I'm particularly proud of but I just don't have time for them and they don't have time for me. Theres a few players that I have minor reservations teaming with but not to the extent that I would go out of my way to avoid them.
I think in all honesty there have been less than 10 pickup teams that I've been part of where I decided to make my excuse and leave. I don't judge people by their SGs I've met nice people on SGs with a bad reputation and people from well known SGs that I couldn't stand.
In my opinion Defiant is doing OK - could it be doing better? Possibly
Lvl 49 Rad/Elec Defender LFT No Blind Invites - CANNOT HEAL!
To a certain extent, I feel that Cryptic themselves are to blame for some of the bad SG experiences people are having nowadays. Before prestige, there was no reason to have SG members unless you wanted them. This meant that SG's were about quality rather than quantity.
The introduction of prestige really has made a big change in SG dynamics as people are invited to SG's very quickly with none of the getting know the SG/player that went on before prestige. The upshot is that potentially good players are quickly snapped up by SG's that may be less than ideal, have bad experiences and are put off the idea of SG's. Failing that, they stay in these bad SG's and spend their time stuck in one that is less than ideal while those that are good are struggling to find good players to invite.
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Like I said earlier, I'm an introverted kind of guy.
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Dude Im looking at your avatar and thinking of other outfits I seen Gen in. Somehow I dont think "introvert" is quite the descriptio that fits.
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Like I said earlier, I'm an introverted kind of guy, possibly with a split personality and extremely bad fashion sense .
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Dude Im looking at your avatar and thinking of other outfits I seen Gen in. Somehow I dont think "introvert" is quite the descriptio that fits.
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Seriously though, I do like making outrageous looking outfits for one of my heroes but that doesn't make me an outrageous person 
In game, as in reality, I tend to stay in the background at big events and tend to let things happen around me. I'm a very quiet member of teams consisting of people I don't know. I'm a very chatty person when it comes to using the sg channel. Maybe that split personality comment isn't too far off the mark afterall...
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I am old skool. I believe in behaving myself and treating everyone with respect and honour from the start. Only 2 people have rubbed me the absolute wrong way since I started Boltmeister in november 2004 - and they stay firmly on my global ignore list. Having read through every post in this thread I think it boils down to "old man's syndrome" where everything was so much better in the good old days.
They weren't.
I was extremly fortunate to hook up with the people I did when I started playing "for real" in late february -05. I consider them to be my friends to this date, and although quite a few have left the game we still stay in touch.
Whenever I'm alting (got a case of altism...) I usually accept PUGs, and although I have in my team-info that I'm a rather insane toon I get invites practically all the time in the lvl-range 2-25. After 25 is another matter - then people have found their ground in Paragon City and their friendslist and / or SG is large enough to not rely on PUGs. Yeah, I meet some unskilled players and some very skilled ones - but unless the player is a complete moron I have fun. Skills can be taught, manners not.
To sum it all up (I know I can be a wee longwinded ) - the community changes. It is a dynamic environment. Lots of new players, and old players leave. Maybe they return - who knows? I have fun and that's what everything is about. So if you see me about - gimme a shout, and we'll talk. The handle is Boltmeister btw - the friendliest faceplanting blaster on Defiant
edit: btw, I know you well Lode, so that last one was for the rest of ya And oh, don't get me wrong Lodester - you will always remain on my friends-list
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I dont know about the faceplating part! but the friendliest indeed lol!!
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Seriously though, I do like making outrageous looking outfits for one of my heroes but that doesn't make me an outrageous person In game, as in reality, I tend to stay in the background at big events and tend to let things happen around me. I'm a very quiet member of teams consisting of people I don't know. I'm a very chatty person when it comes to using the sg channel. Maybe that split personality comment isn't too far off the mark afterall...
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Not really, just means you're more comfortable talking to your friends who you know and trust. Which is fine.
Most nerds are like that - I know I am definitely. Certainly in real life situations. For instance my wife has a LARGE family, and at the regular (read near weekly) parties they have (hell it's an excuse to have a few bevvies!) I tend to stay in the background.
When I'm with my wife/friends/SG/VG however I'll talk her/their ear(s) off and have no problem holding my own in conversations. It's what you were saying earlier about zones of comfort, which I thought was spot on. Some days the zone is smaller than other days.
But generally I think we're getting too bogged down in the definition of what does or does not constitute a clique.
Lode posted originally because he was feeling less a part of things on the server as a whole, mainly because people he thought of as in-game friends are actively ignoring him and his requests for teams. The discussion has wandered off topic I feel.
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Lode posted originally because he was feeling less a part of things on the server as a whole, mainly because people he thought of as in-game friends are actively ignoring him and his requests for teams. The discussion has wandered off topic I feel.
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I think personally the OP created a community issue when there wasnt actually one and overdramatized to a doomsday situation where there is some short of salvation necessary.
Thats my opinion.
And feeling less part of the server cause your global friends ignore means is time to change the global friends list and not blame the community as whole.
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Many a time now someone asks if they can join us and I have to say 'sorry SG only'. That's not to be spiteful, I am just happy with the close group I have, and know them all so well and know they are great players, like a little family.
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No a Clique is a group of people that don't ever allow anyone else into their fold. A supergroup is a group of people that expands over time as they meet new people, make new friends.
Supergroups expands, Cliques don't or at least, rarely. Many times I go out on organised supergroup events, supergroup missions, to collect prestige for the group, and this usually consists of a full team of 8. While waiting for one of the group to get a mission from a contact you get someone saying 'can I join your team' to which I reply 'sorry but on a SG only team'.
One, most of the time there isn't room and two, even if there is it defeats the point of going on a 'supergroup' event if your letting other people into it who arn't in your supergroup.
Cliques are not supergroups, supergroups are not cliques. If i'm not on an organised supergroup mission then other people can join, but if I am on an organised supergroup mission or TF and someone wants to join and we say no sorry SG event only, does that make us a clique? No.
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I would no call you or any of your SG cliquey. I do not know you that well. But I do know that both you and Gen have gone above call of duty in helping me out with a matter off game (*cough* DnL).
I myself can be quiet with new people and warm with people I know better. That said Ill just have phases I come out and yammer at anyone. Im no different in RL.
It is noce when you get a regular team SG or friends but I have even then often met someone I didnt know before on team. As you can immagine comfort zones are great eve for me. But maybe because I have unusual times of play or because I didnt team much with one of my first SGs as I managed to out level most of them I am used to making my own way. I still appreciate groups and comfort zones. Having some great SG teams lately myself. But then when does the line between comfort and clique begin? How many of us have done this and not realised? Many would like to think not I. But one must be self aware. Yes societies equal cliques. That doesnt mean we shouldnt try to raise awareness.
Well when all is said and done Im looking at some post and it just seems alot of talk about "I havent had it so its not there" or "No one has complained but you so its non existant". I think back early in this thread you will see one or two and one says he sees a big diff after a long break. Fact of the matter is Im familar with statistic and fact juggling to pretend the crime in the UK and unemploymen are alot lower than they are. Im seeing a situation of that here regretably. I wouldnt mind if people said "I havent had this are you sure?" or "not seen this but maybe others are getting this".
A fact is a fact and no need to throw it out because you dont like it. Lets be honest posts of people who noticed all that I said are being left by the way side. If all the people that spoke to me in confidence or those who beeen telling me well done for speaking up yesterday, came and stood up there are people posting here who would still refuse to see it. Well rose tinted specticles dont suit me, never did and never will. As I have said more than just me here and Im getting it lightly compared to others. I dont beleive Im doing wrong trying to raise awareness and sticking up for the little guy. That aspect of my personality drew me to this game after all.
I forgot to mention in an earlier post Cynic said he hoped people on his friends list didnt think he was ignoring them as he hadnt spoke to them in a while. Well if you are thinking that then chances are you dont come into the ignorant classification. You are being considerate for thinking it. If that makes sense.
In all honesty, some of the people who have expressed a preference here towards tending to team within their supergroup have sold themselves a little short. One of the posters here invited me to the Synapse taskforce. I'm not in his supergroup, & we're more loose friends in that we've never actually teamed on missions before, to my recollection, but we've talked a whole bunch of times, done some pvp with/against each other, I've asked advice etc & I think we know we're both pretty good players & fun (I hope
). It wasn't even a case that they needed someone to fill the team as the minimum for the taskforce was already met. So although people here are admitting they tend to gravitate towards the supergroup or close friends, I still see plenty of teaming outside of that going on (ironically, I couldn't make the tf, as I'd already promised an SG buddy some help & teaming later in the day, which was a shame, but hey, like I said, would love to next time around 
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I haven't seen evidence for myself of any overtly cliquely behaviour going on. I'm certainly not particualary interested to know about it or feed it if it is. Should there be any groups like that out there, then I'm happy that I'm comfortable in my own group, & the really good friendly groups we're coaltioned with. I totally agree with the point that it's important to differeniate between insular & what you'd deem cliquely.
Yeah I do prefer to grab a team within my supergroup & known friends. We hear about risk vs reward all the time, & with the time available to me & what I'm likely to get out of it, yeah, the little risk of teaming within my group & known freinds or regular team mates & getting the fun, good team reward that gets things done is often a much more comfortable option vs the big risk, team with complete stangers & the sometimes zero reward of the team not working out at all & ending up having a fairly horrible time of it. Not the greatest approach, no, but in all honesty the most likely at any given time.
I'd find msyelf teaming outside the groups a lot more if the invites I got were for somethinng around about my level & I got told a little about it rather than the blind invites that get spammed out, cos unfortunately my mind reading skill needs no nerfing at all it sucks so much
Bizzarely there are just some players who seem to think they can log in & a great team will fall at their feet with no effort from themsleves, & bugger me, do you hear about it if it doesn't happen. I don't get it at all, as with just a little effort & respect when asking I've rarely had a problem getting a team together off the team search menu.
In all honesty I think there's been a lot of grabbing of the wrong end of the wrong sticks here.
Edit: Now I got to see Dead Calms post. Listen to him, he is wise, & right, & I forgot where I was going too. Nite