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I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.
It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat. When I stopped talking not a word was said. Teams were getting formed and mutual friends of mine were getting on those teams and not a word to me. My tells were getting ignored and on one occaision within seconds I saw the recipent of that tell chat away to someone on a public channel. And wasnt long ago I was solo and needed to get on someones team. I asked on coalition and not a word.
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And not once it occured to you that it might be your fault they are not talking to you or taking you to teams?
I have no idea what you are talking about. I still have good time here. Lots of friends and nice community. Sure there are few bad apples around but nothing says you have to eat them. Get the good ones and ignore the bad ones. And for the love of god don't take things so bloody seriously! And that goes for everyone 
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Ahain one aspect that can have a dissmissive comment. [removed] I just said alot are having this trouble in any case. Just cos you dont have that trouble it means no one elses is?
And to clear somehing up i am here for fun. Not elite groups and ego boosting like I know some do.
And truth be told just cos you dont like my drive doesnt mean I must be at fault. I am describing actual things not figment s of my immagination. Im smart enoguh to see what is baltent what is shyness and what is a possible misunderstanding.
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A bit more on topic... I kinda like random teaming, its fun a lot of the time, and if everyone resorts to teaming with just 7 members of their SG from now on, thats just a bit sad and obviously is cliquey.
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I am sorry but this is wrong. Noone can dictate me who is good to team with. My SG is small i like to level up with them and that makes me play in small teams with people from my SG and coalition. Thats is not clique thats is having friends and actually hanging around with them. You cant seriously tell me just because i not go in PUG's thats means i am clique. Its a personal choice.It doesnt ruin your fun or anyone else's fun and certainly its not a wrong thing.I definetely disagree with that
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Hmm... Read it again. I said "If everyone resorts to...". Meaning that exactly. But I do think that if you really will not team with anyone who isn't in your SG... Well I'm just glad that not everyone has that blinkered a view in-game. 
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But I do think that if you really will not team with anyone who isn't in your SG... Well I'm just glad that not everyone has that blinkered a view in-game.
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Since when was it policy that you had to team outside your SG? I thought this was about players manners and attitude not their playing choices. What would you rather have a polite, decent and respectful player who likes to stick with SG friends, or a rude, obnoxious player but who's happy to team with anyone?
People should be allowed to play the game how they choose, as long as they are respectful and polite to their fellow gamers I don't see the problem how they choose to spend their time and with whom.
Me for example, for ages in this game I teamed with everyone, eventually I made a close small group of friends and we formed a SG. Now we play almost always together, not exclusive but mostly. Now does that make me a 'bad' person because I want to play with my friends?
A Clique is a highschool term, it means a group that is closed off to others, mutually exclusive to themselves only. A SG is a gathering of players who add to their number and play together. As long as people arn't rude about it, or have an ego about their SG I can't see the problem here.
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A bit more on topic... I kinda like random teaming, its fun a lot of the time, and if everyone resorts to teaming with just 7 members of their SG from now on, thats just a bit sad and obviously is cliquey.
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I am sorry but this is wrong. Noone can dictate me who is good to team with. My SG is small i like to level up with them and that makes me play in small teams with people from my SG and coalition. Thats is not clique thats is having friends and actually hanging around with them. You cant seriously tell me just because i not go in PUG's thats means i am clique. Its a personal choice.It doesnt ruin your fun or anyone else's fun and certainly its not a wrong thing.I definetely disagree with that
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Exaclty, why should I team with random people? This game is far more fun if you team with people you get on with. I spend most of my time teamed with my SG or friends I meet along the way. I very rarely join a PUG, unless a friend is already in the team. If that's cliquey then so be it.
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Exaclty, why should I team with random people? This game is far more fun if you team with people you get on with. I spend most of my time teamed with my SG or friends I meet along the way. I very rarely join a PUG, unless a friend is already in the team. If that's cliquey then so be it.
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Most long termers will end up playing with people they like, it only stands to sense. Pugs can generally be more pain than they're worth. I can't remember the last one I was on were there was no one I knew but I still had fun.
As my scrapper is pretty self sufficient it doesn't terribly bother me that all my long term team-mates have moved on. It's been over a month since I joined any team, even though my scrapper is much more popular than my blaster or controller were. If the choice is between having a relaxing time solo or a hair pulling time teamed I'll solo every day of the week. This is from someone who loves to be in teams.
I made an angry post here 5 mins ago but it really isn't worth it.
I think the type of thing that the op was talking about is starting to show itself in this thread.
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What would you rather have a polite, decent and respectful player who likes to stick with SG friends, or a rude, obnoxious player but who's happy to team with anyone?
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So if I'm happy to team with anyone it makes me rude and obnoxious? Sorry but if you're going to pick my posts apart and misinterperate them, expect me to do the same.
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Time to speak my mind! 
I think that the type people who have objected to the "clique" thing so strongly may have something to do with the op reason for posting in the 1st place. Would you like your own server perhaps? Away from the rest of us? Away from the public and the riff-raff? The sooner the better!!!
Sorry but this is just bs. Its a game ffs, who do you think you are, royalty?
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1)If i have to do anything with the OP he better tell me so cause i know nothing about it
2)I am expressing my opinion cause what the OP says inside categorizes a whole community while later on it seems to get personal.
3) I will object as much as i want when i not agree with something and you cant really tell me that i should shut up for not agreeing with what the OP says regarding cliques
4)Read the post carefully cause the OP seems to categorize to cliques people that want to play with specific people
5)If you think i got a blinked view for teaming with specific people to level up bang your head on the wall and come repost cause i speak with everyone and hang out with a very very big amount of people
I have a maxed out global friend list and i not come say why people not send me tells.I talk to them if they not wanna talk is ok prolly they busy or so.
Now how about you explain us how this is close to the derogatory terms you use regarding anyone's opinions.
To be honest you should maybe take an opinion check and decide what you really think cause to me seems you swinged around a few opinions before expressing one that is a rant.
Now if you wanna turn this thread in a drama cause a majority of the long term players has fun with people that have got to know over the last year go ahead.
Noone gives you right to call my opinion what you called simply because i team with my friends and furthermore call this a clique.End of.Anyone wanna join the drama bandwagon with Fyrball above and cry out feel free to.Me personally i keep teaming with who i want feel like and i wont allow someone tell me i got blinkering view for teaming with my friends and not running around in pugs.I know and talk to loads of people but when it comes to team i not want look around i simply go to teams i know i ll have fun.This is blinkering view?
Oh and regarding the its a game arguement.Yes it s a game i come online to relax and have fun and when someone messes with my fun by saying how i should team and with who then its serious.I want to enjoy and not have every happy go lucky that feels going ballistic spitting abuse or playing his own tricks on other people's back. (to that i not refer to anyone that has posted here but in general regarding the whole its a game arguement.).Its a game where you socialize not some single FPS where u boom headshot every day and then shut pc down.Anything including social element has psychological characteristics which u cannot ignore cause its simply a game.
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So if I'm happy to team with anyone it makes me rude and obnoxious? Sorry but if you're going to pick my posts apart and misinterperate them, expect me to do the same.
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Did I say that? No. But seems to me your having a go at those who only team with SG friends. Or am I wrong? Even though those that have posted above and do are decent, polite, respectful people. So what's wrong with them teaming the way they want to team. Read posts before snap replying. The only qualities a player should have is politeness and respect for his fellow player. As long as they have those I say let them team how they choose. Being decent and polite to other players is far more important than their teaming choices. Those that have posted above, Empath, TG etc choose to stick within their SG's and friends, but they are decent, respectful and friendly players, so what's the problem how they choose to team?
I'm not having a go at anyone, what I orginally said was this. If everyone is saying, I am never going to team with anyone outside of my SG, then thats a sad state of affairs. What about the newcomers to the game, what kind of impression will they get when noone will team with them, and how is that being sociable?
And... No names were mentioned in my edited post, but someone obviously felt a finger was being pointed.
I'm just going to stand over here and watch some people dig holes then jump in. 
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I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.
It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat. When I stopped talking not a word was said. Teams were getting formed and mutual friends of mine were getting on those teams and not a word to me. My tells were getting ignored and on one occaision within seconds I saw the recipent of that tell chat away to someone on a public channel. And wasnt long ago I was solo and needed to get on someones team. I asked on coalition and not a word.
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And not once it occured to you that it might be your fault they are not talking to you or taking you to teams?
I have no idea what you are talking about. I still have good time here. Lots of friends and nice community. Sure there are few bad apples around but nothing says you have to eat them. Get the good ones and ignore the bad ones. And for the love of god don't take things so bloody seriously! And that goes for everyone
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Ahain one aspect that can have a dissmissive comment. FFS I just said alot are having this trouble in any case. Just cos you dont have that trouble it means no one elses is?
And to clear somehing up i am here for fun. Not elite groups and ego boosting like I know some do.
And truth be told just cos you dont like my drive doesnt mean I must be at fault. I am describing actual things not figment s of my immagination. Im smart enoguh to see what is baltent what is shyness and what is a possible misunderstanding.
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Same goes to you too. Just because you have problems doesn't meant that everyone else has.
You are here for the fun? So am I. I wouldn't be here if I was having a bad time. And what's that comment about "elite" groups? Making vague innuendos like that is hardly going to lead to anywhere constructive.
Whats wrong teaming exclusively with your SG? In the end everyone tries to get around bunch of people who share similiar intrests, humour etc. SG's are not that different than your friends list. It sounds like you expect people to team/talk what ever with you because you share a friend list? Maybe you just picked your SG/friends badly? And hey! It's not too late! You can always make new friends! Although with that general attitude...
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Like I said earlier, I'm an introverted kind of guy. Blind invites by total strangers make me anxious and take away ever so slightly from my enjoyment of the game. I am most comfortable either when soloing (and chatting with my sg in the sg channel) or when playing with people from my sg. Next in descending order of comfort is getting invited into a team by someone from my friends list, followed by getting invited to a team by someone who I've played with before or who I know by reputation from the forum or within the game. Bottom of my comfort scale is getting invited by someone I don't know at all - quite often I'll team up with them and give them a hand but there's also a fair chance that I'll choose to continue to solo. I'm not refusing to team with them because I don't like them or because I refuse to team outside a set group of people; I'm refusing because the situation they're inviting me to get involved in is closer to the edge of my comfort zone and some days my real life circumstances have caused that zone to shrink, thus putting the "teaming with people I don't know" situation outside my comfort zone. I play this game to relax and to enjoy myself and day to day I'll play in a manner that allows me to enjoy myself and to relax. My sg (and my friends) allow me to relax and enjoy myself more so I am more likely to team with them.
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Like I said earlier, I'm an introverted kind of guy. Blind invites by total strangers make me anxious and take away ever so slightly from my enjoyment of the game. I am most comfortable either when soloing (and chatting with my sg in the sg channel) or when playing with people from my sg. Next in descending order of comfort is getting invited into a team by someone from my friends list, followed by getting invited to a team by someone who I've played with before or who I know by reputation from the forum or within the game. Bottom of my comfort scale is getting invited by someone I don't know at all - quite often I'll team up with them and give them a hand but there's also a fair chance that I'll choose to continue to solo. I'm not refusing to team with them because I don't like them or because I refuse to team outside a set group of people; I'm refusing because the situation they're inviting me to get involved in is closer to the edge of my comfort zone and some days my real life circumstances have caused that zone to shrink, thus putting the "teaming with people I don't know" situation outside my comfort zone. I play this game to relax and to enjoy myself and day to day I'll play in a manner that allows me to enjoy myself and to relax. My sg (and my friends) allow me to relax and enjoy myself more so I am more likely to team with them.
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Thanks Doctor, I agree.
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Whats wrong teaming exclusively with your SG? In the end everyone tries to get around bunch of people who share similiar intrests, humour etc.
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I'm not having a go at anyone, what I orginally said was this. If everyone is saying, I am never going to team with anyone outside of my SG, then thats a sad state of affairs. What about the newcomers to the game, what kind of impression will they get when noone will team with them, and how is that being sociable?
And... No names were mentioned in my edited post, but someone obviously felt a finger was being pointed.
I'm just going to stand over here and watch some people dig holes then jump in.
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How weird. Your original removed post is actually derogatory towards the people's opinions that said they not agree at some points. Adding to that when you grab your self from the post i actually referred to what i personally do you not need name cause is obvious we are in a dialogue. Now who is diggin what whole is actually a snipe.Like i said i not feel finger pointed i POINTED the finger on me by stating what i do personally without going around and generalising. So quit the sniping games around and get a grip. As for the turnaround about what u said you obviously made your self clear by stating everyone's opinion that is different is bs.Thats the best example for the new players around here. Noone said we avoid teaming outside SG. We said that when it comes down to a having fun we will go usually to our friends rather than waving the PUG flag. But i guess you are the one here that goes to hollows broadcasting LFT and and has perma flag LFT and also accepts every blind invite.If it is so then we should mnake you a statue called Saint PUG and put in Atlas cause most of us certainly cant do that. Me for once i cant and wont do it . Enjoy your hole...erm i mean night
Sigh... No matter what I type you're going to intereprate it in your own twisted way aren't you... So why bother?
But, I shall put it up here one more time for you, with important words highlighted.
IF EVERYONE resorts to teaming ONLY with thier SG members, it will be a sad day in Paragon.
Is that clear enough?
Blind invites weren't mentioned, and are a different thing.
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There is nothing wrong with prefering to group with your SG, a few people have pointed out good reasons for that. Saying you will only group with your SG and/or friends is a step towards being a clique but isn't bad in of itself.
The bad part of a clique and what makes it earn the name over just being a group of friends is where your completely dismissive and rude towards people that aren't a member of the clique. Saying you will only group with friends or your SG can sound dismissive of others and be why people can jump to the conclusion that your being rude where you aren't.
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There is nothing wrong with prefering to group with your SG, a few people have pointed out good reasons for that. Saying you will only group with your SG and/or friends is a step towards being a clique but isn't bad in of itself.
The bad part of a clique and what makes it earn the name over just being a group of friends is where your completely dismissive and rude towards people that aren't a member of the clique. Saying you will only group with friends or your SG can sound dismissive of others and be why people can jump to the conclusion that your being rude where you aren't.
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Yup this I won't stand for, there is no reason to be rude to other players. To my knowledge I don't know any SG that are like that though, I may be wrong. Certainly doesn't happen in my SG and those I am friends with. I can see why the term clique is used in this regard if someone was rude to non SG players, however I don't like all SG only teams being labelled as a clique, especially as they are polite, decent and friendly people.
This is what bothered me.
I haven't seen any SGs like that in CoHs either. I do remember one in SWG that had a yearly fee to be a member off
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Really!? Now that's pretty darn sad! Is that game even still going?
The way it was redesigned and the way SoE treat their customers I can't see it lasting much longer.
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I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.
It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat. When I stopped talking not a word was said. Teams were getting formed and mutual friends of mine were getting on those teams and not a word to me. My tells were getting ignored and on one occaision within seconds I saw the recipent of that tell chat away to someone on a public channel. And wasnt long ago I was solo and needed to get on someones team. I asked on coalition and not a word.
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And not once it occured to you that it might be your fault they are not talking to you or taking you to teams?
I have no idea what you are talking about. I still have good time here. Lots of friends and nice community. Sure there are few bad apples around but nothing says you have to eat them. Get the good ones and ignore the bad ones. And for the love of god don't take things so bloody seriously! And that goes for everyone
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Ahain one aspect that can have a dissmissive comment. FFS I just said alot are having this trouble in any case. Just cos you dont have that trouble it means no one elses is?
And to clear somehing up i am here for fun. Not elite groups and ego boosting like I know some do.
And truth be told just cos you dont like my drive doesnt mean I must be at fault. I am describing actual things not figment s of my immagination. Im smart enoguh to see what is baltent what is shyness and what is a possible misunderstanding.
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Same goes to you too. Just because you have problems doesn't meant that everyone else has.
You are here for the fun? So am I. I wouldn't be here if I was having a bad time. And what's that comment about "elite" groups? Making vague innuendos like that is hardly going to lead to anywhere constructive.
Whats wrong teaming exclusively with your SG? In the end everyone tries to get around bunch of people who share similiar intrests, humour etc. SG's are not that different than your friends list. It sounds like you expect people to team/talk what ever with you because you share a friend list? Maybe you just picked your SG/friends badly? And hey! It's not too late! You can always make new friends! Although with that general attitude...
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Talk about the Pot calling the kettle. You jsut came on and insisted there was no problem cos your all cosy. You just wont read the fact I gave exampes of my own heights of bad behaiour. The kinds of things people pull to make themselves feel an elite. And I stated also Im in discussion with a growing list opf people who have taken issue with that aspect of my observations. How many times do I have to say? If it was just me this thread wouldnt be here? Of course that clearly doesnt suit what you would like to think. So off you go picking at a corner of my statements you can manipulate.
Sweet Fa wrong with SGs. Nor do you have toteam with only them. My bes tinmes in this gam have been the late night crowd who make up teams form mixtures of all ATs and SGs.
Not too many seem to have come through pure SG teams first toon. Come second the net draws nearer. I can get this with an elelment beyond out control. But I am not going to say best keep it in the family. I enjoy meeting people. I also solo too if I can as a break. Its about mix and variety. Im not saying stop teaming with your SGs it bad blah blah. Im saying once in a while take a break. Even if you team with other SG members friends that you havent teamed with much thats something.
I have the temprement Ill bail on a team alot sooner than I did when I forst started when I saw things go south. But even after making 50 I made friends not even my leve through Loitering in Atlas and chatiing to people. Exemplering for others just cos I have nothing on.
And this is what I mean. Nothing you may care to manipulate so as to make you have a case. Im talking about giving more people a chance. Im talking about I am actually getting off lightly and Im being told some rather unpleasent stories. I just decided to be the one that spoke up. Im ont an only one. I assume nothing. You will just have to accept it or dont.
But even so just supposing I was for a minute the only one to notice something wrong. That does not make me wrong. Check put the sig I have had for months. Thats the moto I live by. I dont dissmiss or show attitude. That seesm to be the department you work in. Such as [censored] aboput I think a friend list means an automatic team. I said nothing remotely like it. So I dont know what innuendos you speak about. Exept for you own. And dont try flip it back top me and say Im doing it because 1. Your wrong and 2. it does not vindicate you doing it.
What Im trying to say here is its all about balance. Too much of anything can be bad anyway but back on point lets try this angle. How about giving something back to the community that gave you so much by helping others. By looking for keen new players and shpwing them the good side of he community. Some of you did it for me after all. And I have no qualms passing it on. Remember you dont even need to team just chat.
With regards to those being snubbed as I have given an example and I know others of you have ahd your issues. Well like I said. Whis to say its the snbees fault? after all if there is an issue. Shouldnt it be aired instead of sat on? Isnt that the respectable thing to do?
Aerie made a good point. I know myself I asked if I could merge teams and I got a sorry SG thing only. Was a real shame certainly for me thats for sure. But I respected and understood. It was plain and straight. My opinion of Aerie and Generalissimo has not gone down at all if that is what any of you think. But I do think the more we close urselves to our neighbours the worse it wil get and with all respect I dont agree with this way. But I am not dictating to anyone. Hell I chat to them with no probs and I hope this will continue.
Tonight was a great example. A new player came into the SG and we chatted about the basics of the game. And I watched her play with binds and the emptes and she loved every second of it. It was a real pleasure and it reminded me of my first wow moments and also one of my faveourite passtimes as I advanced in level the second time I got into my 20s (Lode has been restarted 3 times before the one we have today) I would take new players to Steel canyon and exp0lain How contacts worked and about Double Origin and Single Origin enhancers in the early hours of the morning. And hopefully a nice spot of exemplering with them.
I hope all of you get the chance to enjoy yourelves with a new player the way Ihave tonight just one more time. It couldnt have been a more fitting night for it.
I dont hate this community. Im very fond of it. Im the one calling a more open community the way it was when I first started. Im the one trying to convince you to find a team once in a small while to see who is worth chating to. Making coalitions with their SGs. I see noting wrong with what I say. I fail to see how I get branded with the attiude. Im wanting a more open and friendly atmosphere for all. Not just me. Still think what you will and twist it how you please. If I lose all respect I had for taking this measure so be it. It was worth it. And at least thise of you who took notice properly can make your minds up what you really think about me and decideding where you stand with me. That I can accept as consoleation.
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There is nothing wrong with prefering to group with your SG, a few people have pointed out good reasons for that. Saying you will only group with your SG and/or friends is a step towards being a clique but isn't bad in of itself.
The bad part of a clique and what makes it earn the name over just being a group of friends is where your completely dismissive and rude towards people that aren't a member of the clique. Saying you will only group with friends or your SG can sound dismissive of others and be why people can jump to the conclusion that your being rude where you aren't.
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this is well said.
and the people who like the sg teams are in the norm nice people.
but occasionly the wording get mixed up or something silly
and it does come across as my games better then your game,
which automaticaly leads to the next person goin on a defensive.
as for the way this thread deterioated i'mm ashamed of you guys , you been all arround long enough to know better 
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But, I shall put it up here one more time for you, with important words highlighted.
IF EVERYONE resorts to teaming ONLY with thier SG members, it will be a sad day in Paragon.
Is that clear enough?
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NOONE SAID TEAM ONLY WITH SG
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You just wont read the fact I gave exampes of my own heights of bad behaiour. The kinds of things people pull to make themselves feel an elite.
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Wait a sec how all this shifted to being elite etc. I thought the whole issue was this community going downhill cause it is supposingly too much closed.
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These people may as well speak up then cause till then problem seems to be prettu individual as it seems. A whole bunch of new players keep posting that this community is a friendly place to be and how much better it is compared to other places.
Furthermore you are not the only one in discussion with people. At a fair few conversations today this whole issue seems to be going really off the way and becoming a big drama for no reason.
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I enjoy meeting people. I also solo too if I can as a break. Its about mix and variety. Im not saying stop teaming with your SGs it bad blah blah. Im saying once in a while take a break. Even if you team with other SG members friends that you havent teamed with much thats something.
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Again what you saying is something that everyone does. I teamed for quite a while with coalition/SG/friends etc and for 1 week i was getting team in hollows randomly. Actually the vast majority of the players especially long term ones follow this practise.
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But even so just supposing I was for a minute the only one to notice something wrong. That does not make me wrong. Check put the sig I have had for months. Thats the moto I live by. I dont dissmiss or show attitude. That seesm to be the department you work in. Such as [censored] aboput I think a friend list means an automatic team. I said nothing remotely like it. So I dont know what innuendos you speak about. Exept for you own. And dont try flip it back top me and say Im doing it because 1. Your wrong and 2. it does not vindicate you doing it.
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Let me tell you now another moto:
"Be the change you want to see in this world."
Mahatma Gandhi
Instead of proclaiming the whole community derailing be the change you want to see in it and start from there instead of making comments that simply proclaim that this place simply sux as you will see below.
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I dont hate this community. Im very fond of it. Im the one calling a more open community the way it was when I first started.
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I avoid community events now and stayed away from the Valentine party becuase of it.
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Its the current sate of the players that is driving me away.
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But I stand my ground. Its getting worse by the week.
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But I haveto say community events are becoming a drag last two months. So maybe, maybe not.
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Yes so the players attitude suck the place is getting worse and the community events are a drag for the last two months.You arent exactly calling for more open community.You want more open community?i agree noone wants anything different from the people that have been here from the start. And this is why 1 year after the majority of long term players that have stuck around are doing their best for this community by participating at community events and getting involved,focusing on creating well established and friendly SG's that make new players feel welcome (Femme Fatales,Paragon Defenders,Forgotten Warriors,Goonies,HU,Plastics,TC,InnerCircle and so many more) and try do their best in supporting this lil place despite the sometimes difficulties that are thrown from Devs or situational events. Till now this place is more welcoming than any other MM Online Community you will find out there composed by awsome people with a variety of thoughts and in depth debates in the most civilised way.
Saying that this community is derailing etc and putting the basis for that on your global friends list is i repeat uncalled for plus is not really calling to be friendly but strikes as a rant to me and this is what was called uppon debates that took place in game about it.
So if this community is derailing i would like explained how this is done cause so far the reasons i saw for this are really really not ver viable. A global friends list and the whole teaming issue are really not community indicators. Community indicator is the friendliness from the majority of people,the willingness to help new players learn and have fun, the atmosphere during community gatherings and the amount of community participation are true indicators. So far the community events have been good fun, the raids have been smooth and always a good laugh,new players express how satisified they are with this lil place (with the occasional tools slaggin about) and finally there is still this feelgood vibe that has been around this server since day 1. The only thing that has caused a negative shift is the influx of a specific kind of players due to CoV and the introduction of PvP but these are minor bursts that are easily put behind. And Lode you are not the only one who wants a community to be open people like Empath,Aerie,Gen,HM,Proxy,Pyra,etc etc who are long term subs here would be long gone if there was a general downhill slide of this place. You are not the only one who would go if things got hectic here.
This whole thing is getting overdramatized imho with no obvious reason.
Finally something to shed some light in this dark convo:
"You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty."
Fits right in.
A few musings in no particular order.
On people who only team with friends/SG...
Understanderble. If someone has lived/worked/socialised anywhere for a length of time they will have a network of friends who they socialise with which means they tend to interact less with strangers. This carries across to MMOs. This then also leads to issues like Lode's, that when a significant portion of that support network moves elsewhere, it can be a severe blow. I personally tend to PuG a lot, as I like meeting and helping out new people and also occasionally bumping into old friends who I've not seen for yonks due to switching to alts before Total Cat came in.
On it becoming hard to find a team in CoH...
I've not experienced it myself. I've been mostly playing in the 10-14 range, the 35-40 range and the 47-50 range recently, and if anything, I've found it easier to get a team than pre CoV, particularly in the 35-40 range. This is obviously not to say that other people aren't finding it difficult, just that I've not experienced it.
On cliques...
Cliques happen everywhere. Certain groups will always be seen as the "in" crowd. The entire forum is a clique, albeit one that I feel is generally very open and friendly to new members. Of course any clique that makes itself totally exclusive and unavailable to new members will die out anyway, so a natural form of control is present. There is precisely nothing that anyone can do about cliques forming and collapsing so it's one of those things I file in the 'no point worrying about this' draw.
On CoV causing the community to go to hell in a handcart...
I really think that there is an element of rose tinted glasses coming into play on this. There has always been spam in Atlas. Arguments on arena chat started roughly seventeen seconds after it went live. If there seems to be more of it, that's probably just because there are more people around, so naturally there are more stupid people around.
On what actually constitutes the CoX community...
Most of the CoX community are not boarders. Most of them probably have no idea that events such as the valentines party or the big photo thing even take place. Just because the board goes through periods of minor unpleasentness, such as regular bouts of Pre-Issue Tension, it does not mean that the community as a whole is falling apart. It just means that a particular bit is having a little tizzy.
The community as a whole is currently on a PuG doing Frostfire, not giving a monkeys about who said what about who, what epic AT they are going to use come I14, or whether fezzes will ever be included as a costume option (well possibly not that. Everyone wants fezzes), and they are having a blast not worrying about such stuff. I'd hartily recommend joining them occasionally, as it is jolly good fun.
I have completely forgotten where I was going with all this, so for now I shall stop.
Dead Calm's Defender Manifesto
Agreeded.
