Ill/Kin is a very tough build to plan because there are so many nice powers in the sets 
The only power I skipped from the primary is Group Invisibility and the only power I skipped from the secondary is Repel. I'm picking up Flash at level 49 and I'm only picking it up then to set up containment for my fulcrum shifted fireball 
. I've survived quite happily to level 45 in teams and solo without flash and I wouldn't be all that upset if I didn't pick it up at all. I prefer spectral terror if I want to remove bad guys from the fight for a while.
On the kinetics side I use siphon speed and inertial reduction as my travel powers (I love super jumping 
) so I only picked up hover from the flight pool. That was after a respec though; in the lower levels I went the same route as you're going - air superiority/fly and then hover/fly.
On the hasten issue I'd probably be more inclined to take it than to drop it. While teaming I've lost count of the last gasp transfusions I've thrown out to save someone's life (there have been plenty that were a second too late too 
). Without hasten more of those transfusions would have been too late and more of my team mates would have suffered for it.
Best of luck with your controller I've found Ill/kin to be a very fun and soloable build. It's definitely not as focussed on control as other controller sets are but it makes up for that in terms of variety and flexibility.
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The leadership pool always goes well with Kinetics, I recomend that.
You perhaps don't need Decieve. You've got plenty of things to keep your enemies distracted with without having to use decieve. And on the Kin side well I'd still say get speed boost for the times when you do team (who doesn't team with a Kin? 
) but you can leave out Increase Density, it's not that important for a Controller imo.
Edit - I'd also say Siphon Speed isn't neccessary, but you've already said you like it...
World of Jackcraft.
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Edit - I'd also say Siphon Speed isn't neccessary, but you've already said you like it...
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I'd say that it's even more necessary now the wonderful ED has destroyed perma Hasten.
From the illusion set I'd probably drop Deceive and one of the Invisibilities.
Having flash does allow you to keep more mobs occupied and is great in emergencies. You may want to pick up flash after the 1st respec though as it has a -acc to it (I believe) so will truley become useful only with a couple of acc SO's.
There are certain mobs which are fear resistant, in which case PA as your only control would not be sufficient (at least for me).
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From the illusion set I'd probably drop Deceive
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I know some people don't care for it, but I'm a big fan of deceive. It's very handy throughout all levels (Embalmed Abominations, Tsoo sorcs, Sky Raider Engineers, Malta sappers) and useful for holding everything including bosses and AVs. And that's just on the PvE side...
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Every time an Illusionist skips Deceive, God kills a kitten.
Synaesthetix:if your mum wasn't already dead I would go kill her for bringing
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Every time an Illusionist skips Deceive, God kills a kitten.
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Rushes off to respec out of deceive 
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Of my primaries (post respec) I left out spectral terror, the secondaries I dropped repel. I also decided to remove travel powers, using IR and SiphonSpeed for travel. Hasten I still use but dropped it off auto as it dropped at all the wrong times. Using siphon and hasten does still boost recharge enough to be worthwhile imo.
You dropped Spectral Terror?? For shame!
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From the primary i'd say you can skip Superior Invisibility and go for Group(with 3 recharge SO it is perma and the Group doesn't need endurance to stay active), I dropped Syphon Speed because it looks like little use IMO, pick Flash ASAP, don't wait a single second and pick Spectral Terror ASAP aswell because it's a good control tool and Deceive is of very little use, plus it may make you lose XP!
From the kinetics i skipped Increase Density(too little duration, can be useful but very situational and only if teamed), Repel because it sux badly and Syphon Speed because it's no real use, even stacked twice...
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I dropped Syphon Speed because it looks like little use IMO
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Siphon speed is fantastic power not only does it slow the enemy it speeds your rechrge of all your powers.
Slip in 3 recharge So's and a couple of acc and you can tri stack it giving you triple rechrge boost. This in turn allows you to tri stack siphon power with easy and for a few brief seconds even quad stack it.
Hee, at least this thread proves that there's not only one right choice.
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Hee, at least this thread proves that there's not only one right choice.
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'You don't need to be uber to have fun!'
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True. Although it's nice to be uber So get Spectral Terror and, if you can fit it, Deceive
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Deceive is of very little use, plus it may make you lose XP!
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n00b! For some hard numbers, see for example clicky.
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I'm fairly certain I did (or was it what I intended to do?), I really must log in and find out.
tbh though I wasn't using it much anyway. I tended to throw it at a mob if I had nothing else to use, but after PA and Phantasm it seemed a bit pointless. The only time I was pretty certain to use it was against AV's when I hit them with everything and anything to slow them down .
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n00b! For some hard numbers, see for example clicky.
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Those percentage are based on the dmg YOUR TEAMS does to a mob, say tha tu deceing anything more damaging than a Sapper, even if it does 1% dmg to any foe it takes away some XP...
Sure, but the benefits outweigh the costs (unless you just deceive everyone and wait until the mobs kill each other). It allows you to kill faster, so more xp/min
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
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I dropped Syphon Speed because it looks like little use IMO
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Siphon speed is fantastic power not only does it slow the enemy it speeds your rechrge of all your powers.
Slip in 3 recharge So's and a couple of acc and you can tri stack it giving you triple rechrge boost. This in turn allows you to tri stack siphon power with easy and for a few brief seconds even quad stack it.
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Agreed - as great a buff as it is, its importance as a debuff can't be underestimated either... and there's nothing quite as satisfying as making high-tier mobs do the Baywatch walk.
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n00b! For some hard numbers, see for example clicky.
[/ QUOTE ]Err.....This proves that I AM CORRECT, n00b
Those percentage are based on the dmg YOUR TEAMS does to a mob, say tha tu deceing anything more damaging than a Sapper, even if it does 1% dmg to any foe it takes away some XP...
[/ QUOTE ]But using confuse Increases your XPOT (XP Over Time), which is what matters.
Decieve is the bomb in PvP - if you're planning on PvPing, it's a must have.
Powers I'll be skipping come next respec:
Flash, Decieve, Group Invis, Siphon Power, Repel.
I use Siphon Speed and Inertial Reduction as my travel powers, along with fly, gives me great 3D manoeverability, and as hover is very responsive with starting and stopping, you'll find you won't overshoot your target if you dive into battle for a quick transfusion, transference or fulcrum shift.
I ditch siphon power, because, well, it ain't all that hugely useful once you've got fulcrum shift slotted well.
Bear in mind, I'm making a primarily PvP based build. So you might want to alter what you take to taste.
Long and the short of it, you've got to be as fast as you can, to maximise your insane power spamming, if you get the balance just right, you'll never be left waiting for a power to recharge and neither will you ever be running out of endurance. (And I didn't even have hasten either, Siphon Speed FTW!)
Oeps jiaozy, you got ur ill troller all gimped according to what you're sayin in this thread...
Never told you i like the name though
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Oeps jiaozy, you got ur ill troller all gimped according to what you're sayin in this thread...
Never told you i like the name though
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If people likes rubbish PvP and makes build for that I don't need their tips, my troller does an excellent job in PvE and that's what matter..
A troller skipping his AoE Hold?!?!? In wich other dimension!?!?
A kinetics skipping Syphon Power? GOOD GOD! Debuffing a foe(ok, a single one) and buffing your team?
That's ridiculos to skip!!
Same goes for Group Invis(wich is better in pvp aswell IMO as it uses no end while active and it's perma with just 3 rec red)
Awww.....I am gimped because I can't slow my foe down in pvp while i go at SS speed....
Shame...
I think i'll delete the toon.....
You just make me laugh, in missions I DON'T need to run at SS, I DON'T need to Deceive that mob(I may have to have some nice show, but that's all)while i NEED to help my team as much as I can(group invis and syphon power) and achieve the best control possible(flash), so if you're looking for someone not GIMPED for PvP don't look at me as my build is pure PvE build, where instead than Deceive I'll pick ANY OTHER Illusion control power...
I even have the Leadership pool wich loads of people doin pvp don't pick(or they used not to pick it till Stalkers)..
I'll stand on my points: Deceive sux and Syphon speed is useless unless you're using it as travel power.
Tried them both for loads of times and that's all i can say about them.
If other people like those powers they're free to pick them, it's not my toon, but I'll just say my opinion because I was asked it and you'll never call anyone gimped because other people shows how great is Syphon Speed 'wow you can quad stack it' and link some maths to show that Deceive doesn't suck as badly as I'm describing it..
The Leadership pool was always taken by hardcore PvPers before Stalkers.
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I DON'T need to Deceive that mob(I may have to have some nice show, but that's all)
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heh, that's about all I use deceive for, puts on a nice show for people. People seem to enjoy watching sappers attack the other NPC's.
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I have a new Ill/Kin controller and it looks like another very tight build, so I was wondering what powers in primary and secondary are skippable? I was thinking of skipping Flash and Group Invisibility from the primary and at least Repel and Inertial Reduction from the secondary.
In particular, how is Flash compared with other controllers AoE holds, say Glacier? I can't seem to find the current duration/recharge numbers.
For the record, the rest of the build is going to be taken up by Fitness (3 powers), Flight (2 powers, Fly + Air Sup at first and Fly + Hover after a respec, I just love the idea of siphon-speeded 3-slotted Hover), Hasten and eventually Psionics Mastery. Slightly considering dropping Hasten, though, as I have an Issue with long-duration click powers and there's already Siphon Speed.
This is supposed to be a soloable PvE build, and so far it's been very smooth sailing to 14. I feel very blasterish at the moment though, totally outcontrolled by my Ice Dom but outdamaging her by a mile as well, and safer.
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Name:
Level: 15
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Kinetics
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01) --> Blind==> Acc(1) Hold(3) Hold(5) Rechg(7) Rechg(9) Rechg(11)
01) --> Transfusion==> Acc(1) Heal(9) Heal(13) Heal(13)
02) --> Spectral Wounds==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(7) Rechg(11)
04) --> Deceive==> Acc(4)
06) --> Siphon Power==> Acc(6)
08) --> Superior Invisibility==> EndRdx(8)
10) --> Siphon Speed==> Acc(10)
12) --> Air Superiority==> Acc(12)
14) --> Fly==> EndRdx(14)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Containment==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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