you can beat them easy, IR glasses which are virtually always on sale on the hero side held a lot as does popping the old yellow insp. Stalkers are very squishy indeed, they cant engage in 1 on 1 battles with regen scrappers by any stretch of the imagination, my nrg/inv brute has real trouble with some of them. Simple fact is we are still in a learning phase with the new ATs and how to combat them, everything has a weakness.
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PvP is nothing but a bit of occassional and casual fun, except in this instance it wasn't and I left - without complaining I might add, but similarly with him refusing to acknowledge my broadcasts.
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Villains and heroes can't see each others broadcast messages by default. It's something that has to be activated in the settings. So either the Stalker didn't have it activated, or you don't have it activated, so you can't see the reply. It's very likely that this is the case and the person wasn't ignoring your broadcast messages purposely.
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This is simply reiterating events. I don't want to hear "oh it's a PvP zone, says so in big red letters, you gotta expect that kinda thing."
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There's more to it really. You doing missions, or fighting hotspot fights actually puts the villains side at a disadvantage. So it's in their best interest to stop you at all costs, even if this just means distracting you from whatever it is you are doing. Anything goes really. Even boring you to death, but pointless attacks 
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I think my point is simply this; if it's obvious the other person can't beat you and when you've proven this, give them some peace and TELL them you're giving them some peace.
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Both my previous comments apply here really. Also, i just want to add that nothing is sweeter than finally defeating that unbeatable foe in PVP. It makes all those previous deaths worth it. I expect a lot of people to feel that way, so I don't expect anyone to just give up and even send someone a tell, informing them that they won't attack you anymore. It just doesn't work that way. It would be like a Counterstrike player saying "Please mister terrorist, i can't beat you anyway. Just go ahead a plant those bombs all you want. I'll even lend you my screwdriver"( Are CS references allowed on this board? )
Lol, that was funny. If it were me in there with you last night, i wouldnt have given up killing you/trying to kill you just because you couldn't get me.
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I don't want to hear "oh it's a PvP zone, says so in big red letters, you gotta expect that kinda thing."
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Yes it does make it all right. PvP zones are for PvP. If you want to fight at the hotspots, then expect people like me to come up and assassinate/attack you. This was a one on one situation, so what if you couldnt beat the stalker. Its hardly like a single stalker was ganking you. How exactly is it 'not alright' for a Stalker to do what a Stalker does?
Many a time i've been in Sirens and heros have said that they are AFK or they are only there for a look.... we leave them alone then.
Tbh by the sounds of it you are just gutted that your 'Uber' Regen got flattened by a squishy Stalker
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Riiight so if my bounty target cannot beat me i'm meant to leave them alone then put out a broadcast saying 'Oh <name> you cant beat me so now i wont touch you'.
Bleh. 
I agree with the OP. You should petition the stalker for bad use of powers..Further more petition for breaking several of the final PvP rules
#5. You MUST announce every single time you are about to attack someone, if they do not reply you are not allowed to attack them. Also ensure that they speak english in advance so as to not take advantage of them
#8. You MUST attack groups (after announcing the attack in advance) and place lower priority on lone players as they may be unable to deal with your attack.
#9. Stalkers must only use their assassin strikes after they have given the opponent a free first hit.
#10. But MOST IMPORTANT of all, ensure that your opponent does not mind having a certain powerset on them. Alergies and unatural reactions to some meta-human abilities can have drastic consequences. When encountering an opponent who does not wish to be attacked with certain types of powers you possess then you MUST restort to the coin-toss emote to decide who would win. The loser must then admit defeat and go kill themselves in the nearest group of NPCs.
I am sure he will be banned
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Riiight so if my bounty target cannot beat me i'm meant to leave them alone then put out a broadcast saying 'Oh <name> you cant beat me so now i wont touch you'
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You sir just wrote PvP rule no.18
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Tbh by the sounds of it you are just gutted that your 'Uber' Regen got flattened by a squishy Stalker
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And you'd be wrong, I don't have a fragile PvP ego that requires me to hammer ppl with PvE builds to prove what a great player I am.
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went into a pvp zone when it first started and had the most horrendous time. there was a gang of 8 villains running round attacking lone players without warning. I was just standing there sending a bug report and suddenly my health rocketed down and i face planted. i complained on broadcast and just got the old " its a pvp zone, you got what you deserved for standing there" reply. went to hospital and came back to finish the mission and the little sods actually followed me round the map attacking me every time i popped my head out of a mission or round a corner. There was no warning or conversation, they just thought it was really funny that I was so angry at the total inequality and unfairness of the situation and abused me every time I said anything.
I realize now that there is no need to actually go into the zone to clear your mission screen but at the time it was all new and all I wanted to do was get rid of the contact mish and go back to the pve area. At the time I was frustrated because I didn't want a mission hanging round cluttering up my mission screen.
This spoiled the whole concept of pvp zones and is likely to spoil it for new players who don't really understand how the game works and might make then give up on the whole thing. When I was a newby we only had pve and I faceplanted regularly because I was still learning the system and powers that I had. Pvp adds another layer of learning to the curve which we can't do if the groups of pillocks go round attacking lone players.
For information, my character was a mastermind with no pets summoned. Talk about shooting a fish in a barrel. MM's are almost the ultimate squishy. All our attack and defence is tied up in our pets. Going for a lone MM doesn't strike me as a particularly challenging fight somehow. I suppose it boosts the figures on the screen though. Heaven forbid some people should actually go for the challenging opponent............
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And you'd be wrong, I don't have a fragile PvP ego that requires me to hammer ppl with PvE builds to prove what a great player I am.
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But your ego is fragile enough for you to post a complaint on the boards after each night that you have been killed.
In reference to your first post, most 'grown ups' take situations that turn badly 'on the chin', also most 'grown ups' don't wine and moan about the bad situation they are in, they attempt to make the situation better or walk away from it entirely (and maybe come back to it later).
Accusing others of being 'childish' just because *you* are throwing your toys out of your pram is not basis for constructive debate.
And big shout to obot who was the only villian to kill me in BB last night. Cheers for the PMs dude, no harm done in the other thread. 
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That PvP, at least in Europe, wouldn't be very successful. Thanks largely to a small number of idiots "ganking" at every opportunity and ruining someone's PvP experience to the point where they leave the zone and don't come back.
I'll again point out that this game is predominantly PvE and the bulk of people bought it believing they were buying a PvE only game and will likely be easily put off with a few bad experiences in the PvP zones.
Given that we're a month in and have villains of sufficient lvl, yet there's never more than a handful of ppl in Siren's Call (at least every time I stick my head in) this prediction appears to be coming true. I don't know about Bloody Bay, I admit, with my last sloppy respec I would dream of exemping down to that lvl and have any hopes of suviving. Lvl30 in Siren's is bad enough.
Constantly hammering a player who has no hope of bringing you down will only serve to generate that bad experience - and I ask all PvPers how doing so helps PvP flourish?
Once again, in case he's reading this, I should say I didn't know about the broadcast limitations and I may be giving the Stalker a raw deal - I would just hope that in a similar circumstance that some deal could be struck when one build can't hope to match another.
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Ah, the condecending tones of a PvPer, how I always look forward to hearing them. Tell me, if you can, how does driving players out of PvP zones improve the PvP aspect of the game.
As I keep pointing out, the number of player in either Siren's Call or Warburg every time I stick my head in can be counted on one hand.
I would have thought someone as vocally supportive of PvP as yourself would be trying to ENCOURAGE people to explore that aspect of the game - not actively try to drive them away.
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Thats a pretty heavy prediction considering that Sirens Call and Bloody Bay at peak times have loas of people and Warburg is slowly starting to have increased villains population as more and more approach limit cap. Last week i counted 3 villains last night 12 doing missions etc.
If you think PvP isnt successful i not see why all SG's are trying to obtain a full IoP ready base. Expect PvP to escalate a lot more.
As for ganking...yeah its really bad your experience was ruined by a single "ganking" stalker.I feel for you especially at the part you say you could do nothing. Btw there is a temp power you can buy in Sirens Call called Web Grenade immobilizes fleeing stalkers.
Finally if your PvP experience is limited regarding the visits you take to the PvP zones as you say since as you say you not know about Bloody Bay and apparently you not know about Warburg as well please keep predictions to your self since you not even got the raw facts.
Game is still PvE with noone forcing you to PvP and that doesnt change at all your PvE experience.
The only times I have seen 'constant hammering' is where there is a lack of opposition and the same heroes/villains step up to take on who ever is there.
I get shouted at for picking on Stalkers (by Stalkers) but when you can see them coming and one of your team mates is in trouble (about to be assasinated) of course I'm going to attack/hold/disable them. I had a few stalkers Assasin Striking me in Siren's last night, but I didn't die as I had resistance buffs and I used transferance and health Insp. I finally jumped away laughing at them.
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But your ego is fragile enough for you to post a complaint on the boards after each night that you have been killed.
In reference to your first post, most 'grown ups' take situations that turn badly 'on the chin', also most 'grown ups' don't wine and moan about the bad situation they are in, they attempt to make the situation better or walk away from it entirely (and maybe come back to it later).
Accusing others of being 'childish' just because *you* are throwing your toys out of your pram is not basis for constructive debate.
And big shout to obot who was the only villian to kill me in BB last night. Cheers for the PMs dude, no harm done in the other thread.
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As I said, very clearly, in English and using small words that this was not a complaint, but an observation. To reiterate the observation; if you're in a PvP zone yourself, facing an opponent you can't beat and is continually hunting you then you have no choice but to leave.
Seems to me that you PvP types are a bit sensitive and any negative observation about the consequences of your behaviour is going to be lablled a complaint as you rush for the "it's PvP, anything goes" defence. Which, it must be said, is looking a little threadbare these days.
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The other choices being, buy Yellow Inspirations, IR Goggles or team with someone that has Tactics.
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an opponent you can't beat and is continually hunting you then you have no choice but to leave.
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There is no opponent that is unbeatable.
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Seems to me that you PvP types are a bit sensitive and any negative observation about the consequences of your behaviour is going to be lablled a complaint as you rush for the "it's PvP, anything goes" defence. Which, it must be said, is looking a little threadbare these days.
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Since you are a PvE type then you have nothing to look for in a PvP zone and finally complaining about getting killed in a PvP zone cause you were trying to PvE is at least a bit irrational
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I would have thought someone as vocally supportive of PvP as yourself would be trying to ENCOURAGE people to explore that aspect of the game - not actively try to drive them away.
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Eh? i dont understand what you mean. How anything from what i posted drives you away. I thought you were driven away from the stalker.
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Very good advice plus using web grenade to immobilize the fleeing stalker works wonders
The other thing to consider is that if the battles you were taking part in were the 'hotspot' battles in sirens you are having an effect on the PvP in the zone.
These influence who controls the zone and conveys bonuses to the side in the form of what facilities they have at their bases.
Personally and I know quite a few others do too, if you are just fighting a random street mob then I will tend to wait before attacking, simply so the other person doesn't get debt. I'm nice like that, although there have been occasions where from either side on a team battle we have had mobs involved in the fighting as well.
If you are invloved in a PvP sibe effecting battle though, expect to get hit at the hotspot. You are influencing the PvPers game, expect the same back.
Door missions and to some extent the phone box missions usually are a piece of cake to get through. Just get a few insps and especially as a regen scrapper you should be fine. Break free or two in case you get held, 2-3 purples if a large number attack you at once, couple of yellows if you need to spot someone. Job done. Door missions more so still, you get 25 seconds to get out from the door after you leave.
And its been said before but make sure anyone who intends to go into these zones (I only found out about this the other day) has their chat options set so they can hear the opposite sides banter over broadcast etc.
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I am in Sirens every day, and believe me, Regens aint easy to take down. I take particular pleasure in killing them due to them making me have to be clever about it, and the fact that I have one myself and know how durable they are. Yes Stalkers can kill them, but if quick enough a regen can pummel a stalker into the ground. One of the people i love fighting is Slim Shoalin, simply because he puts up a great fight and i rarely get to kill him. I find i have to keep rushing in, setting of AS until i see their health drop dramaticaly, that tells me that Dull Pain has worn off. Then i will stay and fight them hoping i can drop them before they drop me, if that doesnt work i dash off till hide is back up then straight back in with AS if their health hasnt regened fully. You saying that you couldnt beat the stalker simply says to me that you haven't learned how to yet. Post on those boards to learn, or better yet, talk to us in in PvP, i have no qualms of talking to heros when they ask what my powers do, what i have defense to etc, after all it aint City of Spies yet.
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When i first entered Sirens i was getting flattened because of two things. 1. I was low level and next to no SO's 2. The sheer overwhelming number of heros against the villains.
I didnt leave the zone to never come back again, i started asking questions and talking to people who knew more about PvP as i didnt really know much as i hadn't used the arena much because i simply didnt like it.
Now however i am level 26 but thanks to PvP am fully slotted with SO's and the amount of villains entering Sirens is increasing dramatically.
I might also point out that playing my stalker there i often find myself against 3 or 4 heroes. I don't complain that they are too many, i try and pick them off one by one. A lot of the time i end up dead 
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I don't know about Bloody Bay, I admit, with my last sloppy respec I would dream of exemping down to that lvl and have any hopes of suviving. Lvl30 in Siren's is bad enough.
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I'd like to point out that most villains that you are facing are in their 20's. There are only a handful of the 30-40's who use PvP. I entered Sirens at 25 over a week ago and only recently got 26, and thats only due to my xp slowly rising from cashing in the bounty. Yeah i know i should go level some more to give myself a better chance in there, but i'm having too much fun
ever get the feeling of dajavu Im sure that this thread has been talked over before.
Aye, but last time the shoe was on the other foot
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Ah, the condecending tones of a PvPer, how I always look forward to hearing them. Tell me, if you can, how does driving players out of PvP zones improve the PvP aspect of the game.
As I keep pointing out, the number of player in either Siren's Call or Warburg every time I stick my head in can be counted on one hand.
I would have thought someone as vocally supportive of PvP as yourself would be trying to ENCOURAGE people to explore that aspect of the game - not actively try to drive them away.
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He wasnt being condascending, its kind of a running joke in the PVP zones to say you will petition people for actually using their powers all in good natured fun and banter.
Regens are a damn pain to put down at time, last night for example Mr Nice was hard to beat but we did it a number of times. Finding that Sirens is now becoming a more equally matched affair.
Also provided that everyone has hear hero/villain chat on (why on earth wasnt it on as default and then for whoever want it off to switch it off is beyond me) Virtually all people in the PVP zones are good people and fun to talk too (Virtually, there was the one and only person I have ever ignored lest night but I feel he is the exception to the rule)
I think the PVP zones are a great addition to the game and if PVP is not your normal idea of fun the prospect of spending your bounty on +3 SOs brings a smile to my face
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Its your fault
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*petitions Obot for rational answer* 
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That is utter nonesense. I spent some time in the arena testing my build and know for a fact that there are opponents I can't beat and there's builds that can't beat me.
I'm not suggesting this applies to the situation with myself and the stalker, but there are plenty of builds that simply can't defeat each other in a 1 to 1 scenario.
Before you reply to this, think about this, for you to KNOW your statement to be true you must have fought every possible build with... every possible build.
For me to know my statement is true all I have to know is ONE build that can't defeat ONE other build.
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(O.O) Bunny: Our time is coming
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Not a complaint, merely an observation.
I was in Siren's Call the other night, last night in fact. I like SC, I enjoy the battles. Sadly I was in with a stalker which ruined it for me.
He managed to bag me, basically because I screwed up and forget to hit heal after the Assassin's strike before returning fire. Had I not it'd never have happened (regen scrapper). He couldn't put enough damage on so long as I remembered to hit my heals.
Now, I couldn't see him, didn't know where he was until the Assassin's strike was launched and worse, I couldn't bag him.
He had SS as a travel power and after a couple of return blows from me he'd take off and there was nothing I could do about it.
So, knowing he was about I couldn't even get involved in the PvE battles anymore, guessing, since there weren't many heroes about I would still be his target. I reasoned he'd watch me fighting the mobs and wait for my health to drop a bit and then one shot me.
Now this, by no stretch of the definition of the word, can be considered fun. I have a finely tuned PvE build and its staying that way. PvP is nothing but a bit of occassional and casual fun, except in this instance it wasn't and I left - without complaining I might add, but similarly with him refusing to acknowledge my broadcasts.
This is simply reiterating events. I don't want to hear "oh it's a PvP zone, says so in big red letters, you gotta expect that kinda thing."
Like that makes it all alright.
I think my point is simply this; if it's obvious the other person can't beat you and when you've proven this, give them some peace and TELL them you're giving them some peace.
Just because it's a PvP zone doesn't mean we can't be grown ups about it (I realise some people here aren't grown ups, but you know what I mean).
If there was a full on war going on then it's different, but the place, like it usually is (along with Warburg - hmm, recalling some predicitons of mine) was dead. Just thought I'd point that out.
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