Hey, wait a tick... (On the subject of Reichsman)
By
Angry_Citizen,
Posted on: 2009-07-24 07:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
wut?
That only works once per day per person on me JJ, and you already used yours up!
I summon Lady Sadako to help make sense of this person's lore post!
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAKOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I play a Dev post in attack mode!
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Posichu, I choose... you?
This whole thread reads like some sort of code.
Because Reichsman cosplays as M Bison. Thats why.
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If recall correctly, Statesman had trouble back in World War II like any other hero, a little less so then most, but he got injured on D-Day and was forced to sit out the rest of the war.
But Reichsman, it seems all but said that he single handedly won the war for the Axis powers, not to mention that Nemesis' plans were hinged on an Allied victory for Brass Monday.
I know there's the whole "Good is dumb and thus cannot be powerful, ever" thing (/that/ explains why villain ATs are mechanically superior to heroic ATs!) but there's just a limit to how much more powerful Reichsman could be when this was before his little empowerment trick.
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Wow. The people above me are really brainless. What's hard to understand about this post?
I have never heard of Reichsman 'singlehandedly' winning the second World War - care to provide a link? As for Statesman, there are numerous inconsistencies with his power. This man survived a direct nuclear warhead and flew through a Rikti spaceship with unknown metal alloys, yet got sidelined by conventional explosives and/or bullets? Plus the occasional times when one gets the pleasure of downing Statesman in CoV. This man survived a freakin' NUKE; he's worried about my piddly little sword?!
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
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he's worried about my piddly little sword?!
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Wow, I don't even have to insult you, you just did it to yourself. 
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Wow. The people above me are really brainless. What's hard to understand about this post?
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Um, well if you know nothing of CoH lore and what he's talking about...it's very hard to understand.
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Wow. The people above me are really brainless. What's hard to understand about this post?
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Um, well if you know nothing of CoH lore and what he's talking about...it's very hard to understand.
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Why respond at all then? I know nothing about genetic engineering, and because of that, I try not to get involved in debates where knowledge of that kind would be required.
Little common sense, mate. Leave the lore questions to those who care about it.
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
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I play a Dev post in attack mode!
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Posichu, I choose... you?
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I play P_K in defense mode and boost his hit point by playing pie in sacrifice mode.
It is super effective.
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If recall correctly, Statesman had trouble back in World War II like any other hero, a little less so then most, but he got injured on D-Day and was forced to sit out the rest of the war.
But Reichsman, it seems all but said that he single handedly won the war for the Axis powers, not to mention that Nemesis' plans were hinged on an Allied victory for Brass Monday.
I know there's the whole "Good is dumb and thus cannot be powerful, ever" thing (/that/ explains why villain ATs are mechanically superior to heroic ATs!) but there's just a limit to how much more powerful Reichsman could be when this was before his little empowerment trick.
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Wow. The people above me are really brainless. What's hard to understand about this post?
I have never heard of Reichsman 'singlehandedly' winning the second World War - care to provide a link? As for Statesman, there are numerous inconsistencies with his power. This man survived a direct nuclear warhead and flew through a Rikti spaceship with unknown metal alloys, yet got sidelined by conventional explosives and/or bullets? Plus the occasional times when one gets the pleasure of downing Statesman in CoV. This man survived a freakin' NUKE; he's worried about my piddly little sword?!
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D-Day was in 1944. States got nuked in 1976. Mebbe he was only level 15 in 1944 (he didn't have access to AE like the rest of us), but by 1976 he was over level 50.
...and your "piddly little sword" is ... um ... made from xenonite, which Ascendant ... ooops, I mean ... Statesman is strangely vulnerable to.
Yeah, that's all I got....
"Everybody wants to change the world, but nobody wants to change themselves." -Tolstoy
Looking at the history page, it really appears that the two sides of the war were fairly equally matched in terms fo Super Powered assets. The Allies appeared to have 'quality', while the Axis had 'quantity'.
Just a few, or even one, changes to that balance could have been enough to give one side or the other a decisive edge.
Looking at the description of D-Day, it seems that Statesman proved pivotal in repelling a Storm Korps counterattack at Normandy that might have stalled the invasion altogether. A counter attack so violent that it physically crippled him for the rest of the war. Now imagine if he'd been on the other side.
The Axis Storm Korps, plus their super soldiers, all led by Reichsman. That right there might have been enough.
Or the kidnapping of the King of Great Britain. That operation might have succeeded had Reichsman been there to assist.
Those are just two instances where Statesman being on the other side of the fight would have been enough to have had a major effect on the course of the war.
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Wow. The people above me are really brainless. What's hard to understand about this post?
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Um, well if you know nothing of CoH lore and what he's talking about...it's very hard to understand.
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Why respond at all then? I know nothing about genetic engineering, and because of that, I try not to get involved in debates where knowledge of that kind would be required.
Little common sense, mate. Leave the lore questions to those who care about it.
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That's why I tried to summon Lady Sadako, mate.
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SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAKOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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*crawls out of the TV*
OK, what's the problem? Aha...
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Basically, I want to know how Reichsman apparently made such a huge difference in Axis America's World War II when Statesman didn't seem to have as much an impact in primal earth's World War II.
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We know that Reichsman used his powers 'in the service of the Axis powers on his world, leading them to victory over their foes.' That doesn't mean that Reichsman alone made the difference between victory and defeat for the Axis powers, only that he was in a position of leadership in the field.
I think it's a safe assumption that other heroes of the time threw their lot in with the Axis in that world, much like the way Praetoria contains evil, 'mirror' versions of not only Statesman but the entire Freedom Phalanx. Unfortunately we know very little about these potential Axis versions of our well-known Primal Earth heroes.
Even in Primal Earth, we had the Storm Korps led by Eisensturm, who dealt serious damage to the Allies (even kidnapping the King of England at one stage). Perhaps the Axis America version of the Storm Korps was even more fearsome.
In fact, if you wanted to look for a single moment when the whole conflict hung in the balance, then the clash between the Dawn Patrol and the Storm Korps would be it:
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The most daring Storm Korps raid came within a hair's breadth of striking a tremendous blow against British morale. Three Storm Korps super soldiers, led by the nefarious Eisensturm, managed to breach Buckingham Palace's defenses and kidnap his royal highness the King of England. Alistair Sutton, leader of the Dawn Patrol, chased the kidnappers down and fought Eisensturm to a standstill in the Scottish Highlands. He bought enough time for the rest of the Dawn Patrol to arrive and help rescue the captured monarch from the hands of fascist villainy. It was shortly after this that American victories in Africa drew off much of the Storm Korps' resources and many credit Sutton's victory over Eisensturm as the turning point of the war for Great Britain and the Dawn Patrol.
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Perhaps in Axis America the leader of the Storm Korps was not Eisensturm but Reichsman. Reichsman would have been far more able to deal with Sutton, and the whole kidnapping plot that failed in Primal Earth would have succeeded in Axis America, dealing a fatal blow to British morale.
If Britain had fallen in this way, the American heroes would have been stretched far too thin, and Axis morale would have been at its height. The Fifth Column in America would have been reinforced, leading to eventual Axis victory there.
Hope that helps.
Just for a historical question then, because the lore does interest me. during this time, the russians were pushing back successfully against the Nazis after their victory at stalingrad , would their supers have made a difference and perhaps cut into axis territory? making a russian zone outside of reichsman's influence, but instead under the successors of the stalinists?
You can only speculate on that point, the official lore is tremendously lacking with regard to any Eastern super powers. I'm was surprised that Moscow was even mentioned in the 2nd Rikti invasion trailer.
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*crawls out of the TV*
OK, what's the problem? Aha...
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Basically, I want to know how Reichsman apparently made such a huge difference in Axis America's World War II when Statesman didn't seem to have as much an impact in primal earth's World War II.
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We know that Reichsman used his powers 'in the service of the Axis powers on his world, leading them to victory over their foes.' That doesn't mean that Reichsman alone made the difference between victory and defeat for the Axis powers, only that he was in a position of leadership in the field.
I think it's a safe assumption that other heroes of the time threw their lot in with the Axis in that world, much like the way Praetoria contains evil, 'mirror' versions of not only Statesman but the entire Freedom Phalanx. Unfortunately we know very little about these potential Axis versions of our well-known Primal Earth heroes.
Even in Primal Earth, we had the Storm Korps led by Eisensturm, who dealt serious damage to the Allies (even kidnapping the King of England at one stage). Perhaps the Axis America version of the Storm Korps was even more fearsome.
In fact, if you wanted to look for a single moment when the whole conflict hung in the balance, then the clash between the Dawn Patrol and the Storm Korps would be it:
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The most daring Storm Korps raid came within a hair's breadth of striking a tremendous blow against British morale. Three Storm Korps super soldiers, led by the nefarious Eisensturm, managed to breach Buckingham Palace's defenses and kidnap his royal highness the King of England. Alistair Sutton, leader of the Dawn Patrol, chased the kidnappers down and fought Eisensturm to a standstill in the Scottish Highlands. He bought enough time for the rest of the Dawn Patrol to arrive and help rescue the captured monarch from the hands of fascist villainy. It was shortly after this that American victories in Africa drew off much of the Storm Korps' resources and many credit Sutton's victory over Eisensturm as the turning point of the war for Great Britain and the Dawn Patrol.
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Perhaps in Axis America the leader of the Storm Korps was not Eisensturm but Reichsman. Reichsman would have been far more able to deal with Sutton, and the whole kidnapping plot that failed in Primal Earth would have succeeded in Axis America, dealing a fatal blow to British morale.
If Britain had fallen in this way, the American heroes would have been stretched far too thin, and Axis morale would have been at its height. The Fifth Column in America would have been reinforced, leading to eventual Axis victory there.
Hope that helps.
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I think I am in love........
Lemme try to clarify... (To be honest, I'm kind of hazy myself on the matter)
Basically, I want to know how Reichsman apparently made such a huge difference in Axis America's World War II when Statesman didn't seem to have as much an impact in primal earth's World War II.
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